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huifang
    25-Oct-2016 15:45  
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note Cosco had board management reshuffling.... something brewing .....

huifang      ( Date: 25-Oct-2016 15:06) Posted:

my biggest bet is on this Cosco bet what ? i bet Cosco competitors will not be sustainable as most dont have strong backers unlike Cosco i bet Cosco can still manageable during the o & g ebb i bet Cosco will fly up if state owned giants bring it into their cover aka Restructuring Again

 
 
huifang
    25-Oct-2016 15:06  
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my biggest bet is on this Cosco bet what ? i bet Cosco competitors will not be sustainable as most dont have strong backers unlike Cosco i bet Cosco can still manageable during the o & g ebb i bet Cosco will fly up if state owned giants bring it into their cover aka Restructuring Again
 
 
mkaung2000
    23-Oct-2016 13:34  
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Haha.. he is really DogOfTrader.. I think he made tons of $$$$$$ from his preditions.

GodOfTrader (MetalTrader) Prediction - Pending
i) Cosco Corporation Prediction (Within 6 Months)
31 Aug (Closed @ $0.26)- Before market open, I predict that Cosco Corporation will     
rise to within $0.30 to $0.34+  in less than 6 months, as it is the current strongest undervalued shipyard stock in      SGX (with its parent company 4th Biggest Shipping Company that had acquired New Piraeus Port). It possesses higher potential to rise as compared to Yangzhijiang.
As at June 30, its      order book stood at about US$7.6 billion (S$10.3 billion)  with progressive deliveries up to 2018.                                             

Cosco Corporation vs Yangzhijiang Comparison (Bonus   Analysis- Within 2 Years):

Cosco Coporation will continue to rise till half of Yangzhijiang Stock Value,        while Yangzhijiang continues to fall over the long term.
2 Sep- Cosco Corporation ($0.26 Unchanged) vs YZJ Shipbldg SGD ($0.73:      -$0.03)
     
21 Oct- Cosco Corporation          ($0.265)

ii) CNMC Goldmine Prediction
19 Aug (Closed @ $0.52)- I predict that CNMC Goldminer will fall to         
within range of $0.35 to $0.45          in 3 months/ less.                           
 

21 Oct (Closed @ $0.515)       

happyharvest      ( Date: 21-Oct-2016 09:02) Posted:



lol. Thanks but isn' t it reflected as  53.35% ?

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 21-Oct-2016 04:53) Posted:



Dear Happyharvest,
Below 5% of increasing its shares, do not need to be reported in SGX.
Some free trading knowledge for you, despite you write like you know better lol.


With Regards,
GodOfTrader

 


 

 
happyharvest
    21-Oct-2016 09:02  
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lol. Thanks but isn' t it reflected as  53.35% ?

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 21-Oct-2016 04:53) Posted:



Dear Happyharvest,
Below 5% of increasing its shares, do not need to be reported in SGX.
Some free trading knowledge for you, despite you write like you know better lol.


With Regards,
GodOfTrader

 

happyharvest      ( Date: 13-Oct-2016 02:35) Posted:



If China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is increasing its shares, it would be reported in SGX right? 


 
 
GodOfTrader
    21-Oct-2016 05:28  
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GodOfTrader
    21-Oct-2016 04:53  
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Dear Happyharvest,
Below 5% of increasing its shares, do not need to be reported in SGX.
Some free trading knowledge for you, despite you write like you know better lol.


With Regards,
GodOfTrader

 

happyharvest      ( Date: 13-Oct-2016 02:35) Posted:



If China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is increasing its shares, it would be reported in SGX right? 

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 13-Oct-2016 02:18) Posted:



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At current low price, with another SGD 276,804,446 (276 Millions)- in event of a takeover can be completed. This costs is even less than a Terminal & can be easily acquired by China Ocean Company. I do not expect Cosco to remain listed for long, given the low price. Sembcorp Industries Ltd is smart to hold 4.97% LOL.
But takeover (if that happens) will roughly be 300 to 400 Millions to acquire at a higher price from the minority shareholders and market.
It is highly advantage to China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company.

It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business.
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%


 

 
GodOfTrader
    21-Oct-2016 04:25  
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Summarized GodOfTrader Analysis

LNG to become the marine fuel in future   
MSC (the 2nd largest carrier)  had been secretly ordering LNG powered ships for its cruise ships with a record of $4.5 Billion.
CMA CGM (the 3rd largest carrier)  had also been revamping and building LNG powered for its future containerships to achieve cheaper & cleaner fuel.


OCEAN Alliance may become the Top Shipping Alliance if Maersk joins (MSC Leaves Maersk on Ad-Hoc for Transpacific Route)
MSC may becomes the top carrier in future, in direct competion with Maersk Line as Maersk Line is seen left behind the Transpacific route.

MSC and Maersk (2M Alliance)  may be in question in future due to competing nature.   
OCEAN Alliance (currently the 2nd Biggest Shipping Alliance) may become the Top Shipping Alliance if Maersk joins.


Shipping & Shipyards are poised to make a comeback in mid 2017
Shipping & Shipyard industry is the only industry that have not make a turnaround yet.
Commodity industry have improved and commodity stocks value had increased substaintially.
Airline industry have recovered after mergers and consolidation of several airlines, and Airlines had been adjusting its airfreight for customers at an higher rate.

Shipping industry are posied to increase its seafreight to profitable levels of carriers, in view of the demise of Hanjin Shipping. The carriers are well aware that competing freight rates will not work well for them & shippers understands that rates had been too low for years. Maersk Line, CMA CGM & Hapaglloyd had increased the freight rates.

Seafreight is posied to increase to profitable level, following several mergers (CMA CGM & NOL-- now is CMA CGM), (China Shipping & Cosco-- now is Cosco Shipping) following Airline Carriers which had already increased rates. Top Sea Carriers are spearheading the changes of seafreight increase.

For shipyard industry, as LNG is to become marine fuel in future to meet emission requirements which is cheaper and cleaner than oil   more LNG shipbuilding orders are expected to increase.


COSCO continues to expand on its Terminal Acquistion around the world
COSCO had recently acquired another piece of terminal assets (40% of Italy Vado Holding) from Maersk Group for US$58.3 Millions.
COSCO also make moves to raise $1.79 billion capital from private investors, this is expected to improve COSCO financial sheet.


HANJIN will eventually have to sell its Terminal Assets to pay off creditors
The demise of Hanjin Shipping, recently been putting up its US Assets for sale. However, it will not be substainial to pay off creditors. HMM is likely to buy some bigger fleets only.
The sales of Ship Assets are unlikely to attract the interest of Maersk Line or MSC, given that LNG powered carrier will become a new trend in future.
COSCO are interested in Hanjin Terminal Assets once it is put on the table of negotitation.


http://gcaptain.com/msc-cruises-reveals-plan-to-build-worlds-largest-lng-powered-cruise-ships-for-4-5-billion/
http://container-mag.com/2016/10/20/cma-cgm-works-develop-lng-powered-container-ships/
http://www.lngworldshipping.com/news/view,engie-agrees-lng-deal-with-cma-cgm_45052.htm
https://www.porttechnology.org/news/msc_leaves_maersk_behind_for_transpacific_route
https://theloadstar.co.uk/msc-introduces-standalone-transpacific-service-maersk-goes-ad-hoc/
http://www.joc.com/maritime-news/container-carriers-crucial-crossroad-china-cosco-chief-says_20161018.html
http://www.americanshipper.com/main/news/gri-roundup-maersk-line-cma-cgm-hapaglloyd-and-mol-65483.aspx
http://www.americanshipper.com/main/news/freight-rate-roundup-maersk-cma-cgm-and-hapaglloyd-65718.aspx
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/transport/COSCO-gets-40-of-Italys-Vado/shdaily.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-10/13/content_27045807.htm
http://www.todayonline.com/business/chinas-cosco-shipping-may-consider-buying-hanjin-shippings-port-assets-caixin
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/cosco-eyes-hanjin-terminals-after-738-million-abu-dhabi-deal
 
 
GodOfTrader
    21-Oct-2016 04:20  
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COSCO continues to expand on its Terminal Acquistion around the world
COSCO had recently acquired another piece of terminal assets (40% of Italy Vado Holding) from Maersk Group for US$58.3 Millions.
COSCO also make moves to raise $1.79 billion capital from private investors, this is expected to improve COSCO financial sheet.


HANJIN will eventually have to sell its Terminal Assets to pay off creditors
The demise of Hanjin Shipping, recently been putting up its US Assets for sale. However, it will not be substainial to pay off creditors. HMM is likely to buy some bigger fleets only.
The sales of Ship Assets are unlikely to attract the interest of Maersk Line or MSC, given that LNG powered carrier will become a new trend in future.
COSCO are interested in Hanjin Terminal Assets once it is put on the table of negotitation.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/business/transport/COSCO-gets-40-of-Italys-Vado/shdaily.shtml
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-10/13/content_27045807.htm
http://www.todayonline.com/business/chinas-cosco-shipping-may-consider-buying-hanjin-shippings-port-assets-caixin
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/cosco-eyes-hanjin-terminals-after-738-million-abu-dhabi-deal
 
 
GodOfTrader
    21-Oct-2016 04:02  
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LNG to become the marine fuel in future 
MSC (the 2nd largest carrier) had been secretly ordering LNG powered ships for its cruise ships with a record of $4.5 Billion.
CMA CGM (the 3rd largest carrier) had also been revamping and building LNG powered for its future containerships to achieve cheaper & cleaner fuel.


OCEAN Alliance may become the Top Shipping Alliance if Maersk joins (MSC Leaves Maersk on Ad-Hoc for Transpacific Route)
MSC may becomes the top carrier in future, in direct competion with Maersk Line as Maersk Line is seen left behind the Transpacific route.

MSC and Maersk (2M Alliance)  may be in question in future due to competing nature. 
OCEAN Alliance (currently the 2nd Biggest Shipping Alliance) may become the Top Shipping Alliance if Maersk joins.


Shipping & Shipyards are poised to make a comeback in mid 2017
Shipping & Shipyard industry is the only industry that have not make a turnaround yet.
Commodity industry have improved and commodity stocks value had increased substaintially.
Airline industry have recovered after mergers and consolidation of several airlines, and Airlines had been adjusting its airfreight for customers at an higher rate.

Shipping industry are posied to increase its seafreight to profitable levels of carriers, in view of the demise of Hanjin Shipping. The carriers are well aware that competing freight rates will not work well for them & shippers understands that rates had been too low for years. Maersk Line, CMA CGM & Hapaglloyd had increased the freight rates.

Seafreight is posied to increase to profitable level, following several mergers (CMA CGM & NOL-- now is CMA CGM), (China Shipping & Cosco-- now is Cosco Shipping) following Airline Carriers which had already increased rates. Top Sea Carriers are spearheading the changes of seafreight increase.

For shipyard industry, as LNG is to become marine fuel in future to meet emission requirements which is cheaper and cleaner than oil   more LNG shipbuilding orders are expected to increase.



http://gcaptain.com/msc-cruises-reveals-plan-to-build-worlds-largest-lng-powered-cruise-ships-for-4-5-billion/
http://container-mag.com/2016/10/20/cma-cgm-works-develop-lng-powered-container-ships/
http://www.lngworldshipping.com/news/view,engie-agrees-lng-deal-with-cma-cgm_45052.htm
https://www.porttechnology.org/news/msc_leaves_maersk_behind_for_transpacific_route
https://theloadstar.co.uk/msc-introduces-standalone-transpacific-service-maersk-goes-ad-hoc/
http://www.joc.com/maritime-news/container-carriers-crucial-crossroad-china-cosco-chief-says_20161018.html
http://www.americanshipper.com/main/news/gri-roundup-maersk-line-cma-cgm-hapaglloyd-and-mol-65483.aspx
http://www.americanshipper.com/main/news/freight-rate-roundup-maersk-cma-cgm-and-hapaglloyd-65718.aspx
 
 
happyharvest
    16-Oct-2016 23:38  
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if it happens, it probably would take years. would be for long term hold, not short or mid term hold.

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 13-Oct-2016 02:43) Posted:



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I suggest  CMA CGM to buy up some % of Cosco Corporation, so that in future it controls part of Cosco Shipyard business and can build its fleets at a cheaper rate.
Current Share Price is too low,  which is highly advantageous to competitors to buy and control Cosco Shipyard  which may be highly profitable once its newly acquired Piraeus Port and Middle East Port operates alongside with its shipyard business.

As Cosco had left a loophole of not securing high%, part of its Shipyard Business can still be acquired by its Competitors (e.g. Maersk Line/ CMA CGM) in the open market.


TigerAir was around this low price, when SIA announced a takeover of $0.40 previously.
Could Cosco Corporation be another takeover target by its parent company (China Ocean Company- who had spent few hundred millions to billions buying Terminals)?
The answer will be very clear in times to come :)

Current Cosco Price are oversold to a Terminal Price, easily acquired in event of   takeover.

At current low price, with another SGD 276,804,446 (276 Millions)- in event of a takeover can be completed. This costs is even less than a Terminal & can be easily acquired by China Ocean Company. I do not expect Cosco to remain listed for long, given the low price. Sembcorp Industries Ltd is smart to hold 4.97% LOL.
But takeover (if that happens) will roughly be 300 to 400 Millions to acquire at a higher price from the minority shareholders and market.
It is highly advantage to China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company.

It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business.
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%

 

 
jklf16
    14-Oct-2016 09:34  
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time to invest now...
 
 
GodOfTrader
    14-Oct-2016 00:52  
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COSCO  makes  move  to  raise  $1.79b  capital



COSCO  Shipping  Development  Co  Ltd  on  Tuesday  night  announced  a  proposed  nonpublic issuance  of  about  3.28  billion  shares  to  specific  investors,  including  its  parent  company,  to raise  up  to  12  billion  yuan  ($1.79  billion).

COSCO  Shipping  Development  will  become  a  financing  platform  of  its  parent  company- China  Cosco  Shipping  Corp,  the  country' s  largest  shipping  company,  according  to  its  public statement.

The  company  will  use  6  billion  yuan  and  2.4  billion  yuan  from  the  proceeds  for  the  capitalinjection  into  two  of  its  subsidiaries,  COSCO  Shipping  Leasing  Co  Ltd  and  Florens International  respectively,  while  it  will  also  use  1.8  billion  yuan  for  the  redemption  of  maturingcorporate  bonds  and  1.8  billion  yuan  to  refill  the  working  capital  of  the  company.

The  Shanghai-headquartered  Cosco  Shipping  Development,  formerly  known  as  ChinaShipping  Container  Lines  Co  Ltd,  mainly  operates  supply  chain  integrated  financial  services. It  was  established  in  1997  and  is  listed  both  in  Hong  Kong  and  Shanghai.  The  company  had total  assets  of  101.29  billion  yuan  by  the  end  of  June  this  year.

Dong  Liwan,  a  shipping  industry  professor  at  Shanghai  Maritime  University,  said  that  themove  indicates  the  company  is  raising  capital  to  further  enlarge  its  business  scale  from containership  operations  to  ship  leasing,  shipping  finance,  logistics  and  warehouse  services,as  well  as  healthcare  and  energy  businesses.

" They  are  expected  to  help  the  company  catch  more  opportunities  likely  to  come  from  the  Belt and  Road  Initiative  and  the  development  of  the  Yangtze  River  Economic  Belt,"   said  Dong.

COSCO  Shipping  Leasing  plans  to  invest  13.8  billion  yuan  in  total  into  financial  leasing  assets from  2017  to  2019.

The  company' s  statement  also  said  the  new  share  issuance  is  conducive  to  the  sustainabledevelopment  of  the  company' s  business  and  would  lay  a  strong  foundation  for  the  company' s transformation  from  a  container  liner  operator  into  an  integrated  financial  services  platform.

Feng  Hao,  a  maritime  transportation  researcher  at  the  National  Development  and  ReformCommission,  said  the  Chinese  government  has  been  keen  to  support  its  shipping  companies with  better-equipped  ships  and  more  service  options  to  compete  with  other  established foreign  rivals  in  the  world.

" Free  trade  arrangements,  including  the  Regional  Comprehensive  Economic  Partnership  andChina-Australia  Free  Trade  Agreement,  will  also  offer  new  growth  points  for  COSCO  Shipping Development' s  container  cargo  services  in  the  global  market,"   said  Feng.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-10/13/content_27045807.htm
 
 
GodOfTrader
    13-Oct-2016 02:43  
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I suggest  CMA CGM to buy up some % of Cosco Corporation, so that in future it controls part of Cosco Shipyard business and can build its fleets at a cheaper rate.
Current Share Price is too low,  which is highly advantageous to competitors to buy and control Cosco Shipyard  which may be highly profitable once its newly acquired Piraeus Port and Middle East Port operates alongside with its shipyard business.

As Cosco had left a loophole of not securing high%, part of its Shipyard Business can still be acquired by its Competitors (e.g. Maersk Line/ CMA CGM) in the open market.


TigerAir was around this low price, when SIA announced a takeover of $0.40 previously.
Could Cosco Corporation be another takeover target by its parent company (China Ocean Company- who had spent few hundred millions to billions buying Terminals)?
The answer will be very clear in times to come :)

Current Cosco Price are oversold to a Terminal Price, easily acquired in event of   takeover.

At current low price, with another SGD 276,804,446 (276 Millions)- in event of a takeover can be completed. This costs is even less than a Terminal & can be easily acquired by China Ocean Company. I do not expect Cosco to remain listed for long, given the low price. Sembcorp Industries Ltd is smart to hold 4.97% LOL.
But takeover (if that happens) will roughly be 300 to 400 Millions to acquire at a higher price from the minority shareholders and market.
It is highly advantage to China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company.

It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business.
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%
 
 
GodOfTrader
    13-Oct-2016 02:36  
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I suggest CMA CGM to buy up some % of Cosco Corporation, so that in future it controls part of Cosco Shipyard business and can build its fleets at a cheaper rate.
Current Share Price is too low, which is highly advantageous to competitors to buy and control Cosco Shipyard which may be highly profitable once its newly acquired Piraeus Port and Middle East Port operates alongside with its shipyard business.

As Cosco had left a loophole of not securing high%, part of its Shipyard Business can still be acquired by its Competitors (e.g. Maersk Line/ CMA CGM) in the open market.


 
 
 
happyharvest
    13-Oct-2016 02:35  
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If China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is increasing its shares, it would be reported in SGX right? 

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 13-Oct-2016 02:18) Posted:



Updated
At current low price, with another SGD 276,804,446 (276 Millions)- in event of a takeover can be completed. This costs is even less than a Terminal & can be easily acquired by China Ocean Company. I do not expect Cosco to remain listed for long, given the low price. Sembcorp Industries Ltd is smart to hold 4.97% LOL.
But takeover (if that happens) will roughly be 300 to 400 Millions to acquire at a higher price from the minority shareholders and market.
It is highly advantage to China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company.

It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business.
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%

 

 
GodOfTrader
    13-Oct-2016 02:28  
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TigerAir was around this low price, when SIA announced a takeover of $0.40 previously.
Could Cosco Corporation be another takeover target by its parent company (China Ocean Company- who had spent few hundred millions to billions buying Terminals)?
The answer will be very clear in times to come :)

Current Cosco Price are oversold to a Terminal Price, easily acquired in event of   takeover.
 
 
GodOfTrader
    13-Oct-2016 02:18  
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Updated
At current low price, with another SGD 276,804,446 (276 Millions)- in event of a takeover can be completed. This costs is even less than a Terminal & can be easily acquired by China Ocean Company. I do not expect Cosco to remain listed for long, given the low price. Sembcorp Industries Ltd is smart to hold 4.97% LOL.
But takeover (if that happens) will roughly be 300 to 400 Millions to acquire at a higher price from the minority shareholders and market.
It is highly advantage to China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company.

It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business.
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%
 
 
GodOfTrader
    13-Oct-2016 02:03  
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It seems that China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company is secretly increasing its shares.
This is good strategy, especially as the Cosco Corporation shares price are at its low.
It is good to accumulate while the public is not noticing, booast up the % & synchronize with its other business. Moo Hahaha!
Substantial Shareholders Number of shares held Percent of shares held
China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company 1,194,565,488 53.35%
Sembcorp Industries Ltd 111,400,000 4.97%
Dimensional Fund Advisors LP 21,327,600 0.95%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 16,848,314 0.75%
OCBC Securities Private Limited, Securities Arm 11,215,024 0.5%
 
 
happyharvest
    12-Oct-2016 09:53  
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Unless u r saying rallying to $1 and above , this stock is not going to be interesting.

GodOfTrader      ( Date: 12-Oct-2016 01:43) Posted:



" It may/ may not, depending on your perspective.
However, every rally had its own rise and fall."


I can only say nothing is perfect, each to his view.
All the best no matter what you choose.


happyharvest      ( Date: 12-Oct-2016 01:39) Posted:



Is it worth the time and effort to study Cosco if Cosco only rally to 0.36 months later while other stocks are already rallying big?


 
 
GodOfTrader
    12-Oct-2016 02:45  
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In era of three kingdom, many scholars asked Zhuge Liang: Why do you not serve Cao Cao/ Sun Quan? Why do you choose Liu Bei?

Cao Cao Army - is mighty and strong.
Sun Quan Army - is well versed in sea battle and have a natural barrier (Sea).
Liu Bei Army- Only a few thousands with no stronghold yet
 
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