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SAVIORFOREVER
    27-Jun-2022 09:25  
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Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K)
0.430 5,184.5 0.435 3,072.9
0.425 6,343.6 0.440 5,427.8
0.420 6,185 0.445 4,036.8
0.415 5,154 0.450 4,920.2
0.410 3,155.2 0.455 3,161.8
0.405 3,294.7 0.460 5,570.5
0.400 2,257.2 0.465 2,027.4


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SAVIORFOREVER
    27-Jun-2022 09:19  
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Shortsellers aiming 40?



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pasttime
    27-Jun-2022 08:36  
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property market in which country burst?  us maybe.  the real impact of interest increased on loan payment is not high.  a $100k borrow for 30 years at 3.5% is $449  at 3.75% is $462.  every 0.25% increased is about 2.89% increased in loan. think most people can squeeze it.  for old loan they may have paid down a lot already and if on fixed 3 years rate not affected for now.
more important is job. if no job then serious problem.
for china they already poke the bubble last few years. they are on reducing tight measure now. so past the worse stage.
singapore is stable. and government watching keenly and can always increased land supply to curb any price run up. so not likely to burst. 
 

 
petson
    27-Jun-2022 07:56  
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property bubble most likely may burst...real estate may be impacted ...But for now till near next fomc...looks like happy time

pasttime      ( Date: 27-Jun-2022 07:37) Posted:

interest rate up cycle.
in the last fed move they up interest by 0.75% . what is the impact?
us gov bond let said a 30years bond every $100 face value with issue coupon rate of 2.5% then after the increased will have to go down to $76.923 to find buyer who seek the same 3.25% return.  so any bond holders then will suffer a huge lost unless they hold it till maturity or next down cycle.
people will sell 30y bond ahead and buy shorter maturity bond like 2 year bond to reduce hold till maturiy time.
yzjfh with most loan maturing in current year are in a sweet spot with lots of cash comming in. even if they do nothing the value of cash will increased with everything becoming cheaper.
their risk is how much of those loan will turn bad. so the next financial report or any early notice by management will tell.
vested interest.
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pasttime
    27-Jun-2022 07:37  
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interest rate up cycle.
in the last fed move they up interest by 0.75% . what is the impact?
us gov bond let said a 30years bond every $100 face value with issue coupon rate of 2.5% then after the increased will have to go down to $76.923 to find buyer who seek the same 3.25% return.  so any bond holders then will suffer a huge lost unless they hold it till maturity or next down cycle.
people will sell 30y bond ahead and buy shorter maturity bond like 2 year bond to reduce hold till maturiy time.
yzjfh with most loan maturing in current year are in a sweet spot with lots of cash comming in. even if they do nothing the value of cash will increased with everything becoming cheaper.
their risk is how much of those loan will turn bad. so the next financial report or any early notice by management will tell.
vested interest.
dyodd
 
 
SAVIORFOREVER
    26-Jun-2022 23:31  
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Is 43 the new bottom?


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Nippon72
    26-Jun-2022 11:05  
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Once next result is out or first dividend% payout, we will know whether it is a undervalued gem or a carbon rock? Also can sieve out mgt directions or they honour what they said?  I adopted stonkmaster' s strategy to buy on dips. Hopefully FH will reward the loyalists in the long run. Despite the recent hype & interest on FH, it pays to be prudent. 
 
 
petson
    26-Jun-2022 10:09  
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even bb & smart money leveraged on momentum.Mkt is oversold ..dow has just bulled...momentum hv changed since friday when the sellings looks well absorbed...plus monday short covering...lets see...opinion only

tch77_pt75      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 23:04) Posted:

The shares going up or down is determined by super cash rich BBs , which we do not know why there are so many short sell. Maybe the west and east don?t see eye to eye when it comes to this sector. Look at Lian Beng in the construction sector, the share price is higher than YZJ FH currently 😂

 
 
tch77_pt75
    25-Jun-2022 23:04  
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The shares going up or down is determined by super cash rich BBs , which we do not know why there are so many short sell. Maybe the west and east don?t see eye to eye when it comes to this sector. Look at Lian Beng in the construction sector, the share price is higher than YZJ FH currently 😂
 
 
vicloo
    25-Jun-2022 18:44  
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volvo125      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 15:07) Posted:

I believe you will be handsomely rewarded with impressive capital gains and solid dividend yields in the longer run.

stonkmaster      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 14:47) Posted:

I?m buying a small amount for every cents drop. Undervalued stock at hands of shorties but good they allow me to buy cheap


 

 
volvo125
    25-Jun-2022 15:07  
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I believe you will be handsomely rewarded with impressive capital gains and solid dividend yields in the longer run.

stonkmaster      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 14:47) Posted:

I?m buying a small amount for every cents drop. Undervalued stock at hands of shorties but good they allow me to buy cheap.

volvo125      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 14:35) Posted:

If I have no qualm buying at 0.50 (46% nav), I certainly have no qualm buying at 0.43 (40%nav) if i have more spare cash as long as the coy fundamentals remain solid. Some people might question the authenticity of the financial statements just because it is a Chinese coy. I do not think this questioning is necessary as the coy was just listed after SGX scrutiny and the Board is powered by several very high profile ex MAS and SGX past Directors. Ren also has a very solid credential and track record building YZJ. There could certainly be many reasons why BBs, Syndicates, Fund and Hedge Funds mgrs ... are selling due to fear mongering to farm accumulation, capital flight back to US due to the ongoing accelerating rate hikes, .... which are beyond our comprehension. As far as I am concerned, the 1.08 nav is real and authentic, and I am buying this 1.08 growing asset at a very steep 40% discount and this asset is going to pay me 7~8% dividend yield next year and yoy thereafter with increasing yields. In the longer run, I would also be able to reap the very impressive capital appreciation >2x. And, the coy is very net Cash with negligible S/T and L/T debts meaning I have no worry in an escalating interest rate environment going forward.


 
 
volvo125
    25-Jun-2022 14:49  
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I not God Buddha Allah Tua Pek Gong so I won't know when is the bottom ... nobody knows. I will buy as long as I am of the view that coy is deeply undervalued and the fundamental is still rock solid with low gearing (YFH is even better at Net Cash with negligible debts). This was exactly why I did when I bought YZJ at 0.92~1.0 in a big way during late 2020.

volvo125      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 14:35) Posted:

If I have no qualm buying at 0.50 (46% nav), I certainly have no qualm buying at 0.43 (40%nav) if i have more spare cash as long as the coy fundamentals remain solid. Some people might question the authenticity of the financial statements just because it is a Chinese coy. I do not think this questioning is necessary as the coy was just listed after SGX scrutiny and the Board is powered by several very high profile ex MAS and SGX past Directors. Ren also has a very solid credential and track record building YZJ. There could certainly be many reasons why BBs, Syndicates, Fund and Hedge Funds mgrs ... are selling due to fear mongering to farm accumulation, capital flight back to US due to the ongoing accelerating rate hikes, .... which are beyond our comprehension. As far as I am concerned, the 1.08 nav is real and authentic, and I am buying this 1.08 growing asset at a very steep 40% discount and this asset is going to pay me 7~8% dividend yield next year and yoy thereafter with increasing yields. In the longer run, I would also be able to reap the very impressive capital appreciation >2x. And, the coy is very net Cash with negligible S/T and L/T debts meaning I have no worry in an escalating interest rate environment going forward.

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 08:52) Posted:

Will you buy more at this cheap price or wait for bottom?


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stonkmaster
    25-Jun-2022 14:47  
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I?m buying a small amount for every cents drop. Undervalued stock at hands of shorties but good they allow me to buy cheap.

volvo125      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 14:35) Posted:

If I have no qualm buying at 0.50 (46% nav), I certainly have no qualm buying at 0.43 (40%nav) if i have more spare cash as long as the coy fundamentals remain solid. Some people might question the authenticity of the financial statements just because it is a Chinese coy. I do not think this questioning is necessary as the coy was just listed after SGX scrutiny and the Board is powered by several very high profile ex MAS and SGX past Directors. Ren also has a very solid credential and track record building YZJ. There could certainly be many reasons why BBs, Syndicates, Fund and Hedge Funds mgrs ... are selling due to fear mongering to farm accumulation, capital flight back to US due to the ongoing accelerating rate hikes, .... which are beyond our comprehension. As far as I am concerned, the 1.08 nav is real and authentic, and I am buying this 1.08 growing asset at a very steep 40% discount and this asset is going to pay me 7~8% dividend yield next year and yoy thereafter with increasing yields. In the longer run, I would also be able to reap the very impressive capital appreciation >2x. And, the coy is very net Cash with negligible S/T and L/T debts meaning I have no worry in an escalating interest rate environment going forward.

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 08:52) Posted:

Will you buy more at this cheap price or wait for bottom?


Trade with awareness and DYODD


 
 
volvo125
    25-Jun-2022 14:35  
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If I have no qualm buying at 0.50 (46% nav), I certainly have no qualm buying at 0.43 (40%nav) if i have more spare cash as long as the coy fundamentals remain solid. Some people might question the authenticity of the financial statements just because it is a Chinese coy. I do not think this questioning is necessary as the coy was just listed after SGX scrutiny and the Board is powered by several very high profile ex MAS and SGX past Directors. Ren also has a very solid credential and track record building YZJ. There could certainly be many reasons why BBs, Syndicates, Fund and Hedge Funds mgrs ... are selling due to fear mongering to farm accumulation, capital flight back to US due to the ongoing accelerating rate hikes, .... which are beyond our comprehension. As far as I am concerned, the 1.08 nav is real and authentic, and I am buying this 1.08 growing asset at a very steep 40% discount and this asset is going to pay me 7~8% dividend yield next year and yoy thereafter with increasing yields. In the longer run, I would also be able to reap the very impressive capital appreciation >2x. And, the coy is very net Cash with negligible S/T and L/T debts meaning I have no worry in an escalating interest rate environment going forward.

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 08:52) Posted:

Will you buy more at this cheap price or wait for bottom?


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volvo125      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 21:07) Posted:

Directors buying personally again give even more confidence and weight to the outlook of the coy than SBB because these directors are paying the shares from their own pockets ... their own monies. They are putting their own money on where their mouths are and telling you they are confident and optimistic of the coy ongoing outlook. Regardless, I would think Toe should continue to conduct the buying of more shares today via SBB at 0.43~0.435 to reinforce the coy conviction. Not sure why he didnt .... 200K shares at $86K is deemed small money to YFH as a coy but to an individual Chew is still a significant sum of personal money even if he is a rich guy. His intention is to signify the coy outlook is good and in order and nothing more. He bought not to trade for profits else he would have bought much much more


 
 
Nippon72
    25-Jun-2022 12:23  
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Just buy within your means & comfort level after you have done your homework. I always replied my friends who ask will it be lower? If I can predict the price or market, I won' t be salaried worker now or got time typing in this forum. Pun intended. 

Vested. 

 

pasttime      ( Date: 25-Jun-2022 09:21) Posted:

who can tell what price is right or lowest ?  if one see price right buy mist be able to hold. else just let it go. if dare short more. 
nasdaq, dow momentum turning up. guess it will be for  a while until fed next meeting towards end jul.

 

 
pasttime
    25-Jun-2022 09:21  
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who can tell what price is right or lowest ?  if one see price right buy mist be able to hold. else just let it go. if dare short more. 
nasdaq, dow momentum turning up. guess it will be for  a while until fed next meeting towards end jul.
 
 
SAVIORFOREVER
    25-Jun-2022 08:52  
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Will you buy more at this cheap price or wait for bottom?


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volvo125      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 21:07) Posted:

Directors buying personally again give even more confidence and weight to the outlook of the coy than SBB because these directors are paying the shares from their own pockets ... their own monies. They are putting their own money on where their mouths are and telling you they are confident and optimistic of the coy ongoing outlook. Regardless, I would think Toe should continue to conduct the buying of more shares today via SBB at 0.43~0.435 to reinforce the coy conviction. Not sure why he didnt .... 200K shares at $86K is deemed small money to YFH as a coy but to an individual Chew is still a significant sum of personal money even if he is a rich guy. His intention is to signify the coy outlook is good and in order and nothing more. He bought not to trade for profits else he would have bought much much more.

pasttime      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 20:06) Posted:

when doing long. money is superior. in a sense that money supply can be unlimted. no of shares are limited. so can push price high high. but must ensure money not from those bank that trade against you and pull the rug below type. don' t deal with them.

when doing shorts the reverse is true.  number of shares are limited. money unlimited is no used if cannot find the shares to borrow to short or cover.
when shares are moving one sided to operators gang it will become tougher for shorts. 

risk reward is now favouring upside more then downside.
see the boss also buy a bit at 43.  with boss buying probably no news for next many days.
waiting for aug report. see how much cash they have really recover from their loan porfolio


 
 
pasttime
    24-Jun-2022 21:35  
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while share buy back at current price is very attractive versus nta. the problem with buy back is it reduces the money in the business pot. they bugeted $200m to buy 10%. so per shares is slightly above 50c. the more they buy below 50c the higher they can buy above 50c. the slower buy will meant more bullets in the war chest against potential raid. the real sell can let market decide the price as that is changing hand from sellers to buyers. when sellers are done price will move up. shorts are net zero.
the long term should still be investing wisely into opportunities to increase the money pot.
witing for their first report. market also need more information on the progress if their plan. the earlier the plan turns into concrete results the share price will be better supported.
many start up waiting for investors. a few good investment will escalate their profile a lot.
look at this company called shinvest. they invest in one chinese co and hit a gold mine.
hopefully the boss connections can bring about many such opportunities.
 
 
volvo125
    24-Jun-2022 21:07  
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Directors buying personally again give even more confidence and weight to the outlook of the coy than SBB because these directors are paying the shares from their own pockets ... their own monies. They are putting their own money on where their mouths are and telling you they are confident and optimistic of the coy ongoing outlook. Regardless, I would think Toe should continue to conduct the buying of more shares today via SBB at 0.43~0.435 to reinforce the coy conviction. Not sure why he didnt .... 200K shares at $86K is deemed small money to YFH as a coy but to an individual Chew is still a significant sum of personal money even if he is a rich guy. His intention is to signify the coy outlook is good and in order and nothing more. He bought not to trade for profits else he would have bought much much more.

pasttime      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 20:06) Posted:

when doing long. money is superior. in a sense that money supply can be unlimted. no of shares are limited. so can push price high high. but must ensure money not from those bank that trade against you and pull the rug below type. don' t deal with them.

when doing shorts the reverse is true.  number of shares are limited. money unlimited is no used if cannot find the shares to borrow to short or cover.
when shares are moving one sided to operators gang it will become tougher for shorts. 

risk reward is now favouring upside more then downside.
see the boss also buy a bit at 43.  with boss buying probably no news for next many days.
waiting for aug report. see how much cash they have really recover from their loan porfolio.

tch77_pt75      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 14:01) Posted:

Shortlists have deeper pockets as compared to the rest, including the YZJ FH?.. 😂


 
 
petson
    24-Jun-2022 20:14  
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yes...i tink mometum may have just make a u turn today...unlike the last surge from 39, this time round, sbb is already approved.....from 53 to 43..looking at today action...shorts looks struggling to hold the fort...today short also no meat...scrap bone...dow may rally tonite

pasttime      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 20:06) Posted:

when doing long. money is superior. in a sense that money supply can be unlimted. no of shares are limited. so can push price high high. but must ensure money not from those bank that trade against you and pull the rug below type. don' t deal with them.

when doing shorts the reverse is true.  number of shares are limited. money unlimited is no used if cannot find the shares to borrow to short or cover.
when shares are moving one sided to operators gang it will become tougher for shorts. 

risk reward is now favouring upside more then downside.
see the boss also buy a bit at 43.  with boss buying probably no news for next many days.
waiting for aug report. see how much cash they have really recover from their loan porfolio.

tch77_pt75      ( Date: 24-Jun-2022 14:01) Posted:

Shortlists have deeper pockets as compared to the rest, including the YZJ FH?.. 😂


 
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