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That' s a bit like cloning?
Then the machines will just do what the different type of traders/investors will do in the market. Then there is no consistency still.

kiseki_2818      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:10) Posted: for greed, fear, emotion and some others, i the creator classified that under DNA.  before the AI robot start the to talk, i need to specifiy how greedy, how creative, how naughty is the robot.t then on the way, my algorithm also has some form of learning. currently, the most difficult part is still reproduction using bio-cell electronics. US side already has some success in robot and human. now they can read 30% to 50 % of your memories, they are still improving the system. they also have small success in erasing human memories. they current also put a lot of effort in implanting memories. if they are 80% ready, then most likely whoever has this knowhow may control the human, just like controlling the robots. for feeling parts and judgement parts, now the AI look more n more like human. remember ur heart beat is just like the system clock of processor. very long ago, the processor heart beat already like human can varies their clock rate while running.   bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:02) Posted: I don' t think that day will ever come. It' s like asking the deep learning system to learn the emotion/greed/fear of billions of people, some contra, some scalping, some swing, some investing, all with different time frames. All have different goals. Unless, all tradings are done by AI systems. Then we have the consistency because the machines won' t do random things. But then you will have 5000 +/- movements daily maybe until one of them goes contrarian? Haha

 

I bot 2.68. Seller is CIMB.

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:42) Posted: Its doing 2.68 : 2.69 now. This morn, the price was pushed down to 2.65 very quickly within the 1st minute of trading with not many lots done at each level. My take is the monkey seized the 1st minute of trading when the BUY queues were thin to do a shakeout as it wont cost him much to ramp down thru a thin BUY queue. The ramming stopped at 2.65 with only 2.1 lots done at that price. After that there were tons of selling in small lots at 2.66 when the price was at 2.66 : 2.67. This was when, I believe, the monkey was buying from whoever was willing to sell. And so we have 492.3 lots of sell downs done at 2.66 with only 3.2 lots of buy-ups done at that price. Then when the pool of willing sellers at 2.66 dried up, the monkey in one gulp swallowed 327.2 lots from the SELL queue at 2.67. And then waited for more sellers to appear at 2,67. There wasnt many. So 3 mins later, the monkey in another gulp swallowed 122 lots from the SELL queue at 2.68. Hearing continues. wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:04) Posted: MIT... 2.66 : 2.67 after touching 2.65. Hmmm.... a chance to buy?

 

At least two Houses issued BUY Call for REITs.
Both of them like my GRs.

bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:09) Posted: Was it last weekend the papers were prepping the general public to buy reits? wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:04) Posted: Now 2.70 : 2.71. When she was at 2.66 : 2.67, I did queue at 2.66. But she no wan to lick me.

 

for greed, fear, emotion and some others, i the creator classified that under DNA. 
before the AI robot start the to talk, i need to specifiy how greedy, how creative, how naughty is the robot.t
then on the way, my algorithm also has some form of learning.
currently, the most difficult part is still reproduction using bio-cell electronics.
US side already has some success in robot and human.
now they can read 30% to 50 % of your memories, they are still improving the system.
they also have small success in erasing human memories.
they current also put a lot of effort in implanting memories.
if they are 80% ready, then most likely whoever has this knowhow may control the human, just like controlling the robots.
for feeling parts and judgement parts, now the AI look more n more like human.
remember ur heart beat is just like the system clock of processor.
very long ago, the processor heart beat already like human can varies their clock rate while running.

 

bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:02) Posted: I don' t think that day will ever come. It' s like asking the deep learning system to learn the emotion/greed/fear of billions of people, some contra, some scalping, some swing, some investing, all with different time frames. All have different goals. Unless, all tradings are done by AI systems. Then we have the consistency because the machines won' t do random things. But then you will have 5000 +/- movements daily maybe until one of them goes contrarian? Haha. simpleguy123      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:18) Posted:   Well as long as the AI Algorithms doesn' t " destroy" the hedge & pension fund houses, by plunging and short-selling every counter without remorse.....

 

Was it last weekend the papers were prepping the general public to buy reits?

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:04) Posted: Now 2.70 : 2.71. When she was at 2.66 : 2.67, I did queue at 2.66. But she no wan to lick me. wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:42) Posted: Its doing 2.68 : 2.69 now. This morn, the price was pushed down to 2.65 very quickly within the 1st minute of trading with not many lots done at each level. My take is the monkey seized the 1st minute of trading when the BUY queues were thin to do a shakeout as it wont cost him much to ramp down thru a thin BUY queue. The ramming stopped at 2.65 with only 2.1 lots done at that price. After that there were tons of selling in small lots at 2.66 when the price was at 2.66 : 2.67. This was when, I believe, the monkey was buying from whoever was willing to sell. And so we have 492.3 lots of sell downs done at 2.66 with only 3.2 lots of buy-ups done at that price. Then when the pool of willing sellers at 2.66 dried up, the monkey in one gulp swallowed 327.2 lots from the SELL queue at 2.67. And then waited for more sellers to appear at 2,67. There wasnt many. So 3 mins later, the monkey in another gulp swallowed 122 lots from the SELL queue at 2.68. Hearing continues

 

Johnnybravo      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:53) Posted: boom, boom, boom... SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:41) Posted: Gen Tik Talk, cut loss for?? We the SMRs formally declare war with the Beer Kartek monkeys, EP1 0.72-0.725

 

This one' s deep....deep deep words.
Thanks Gen. Lucky

SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 10:03) Posted: Some human Some time..purposely make machines create or make mistakes for their own benefits. Some human Some time..human also purposely make human create or make mistakes for their own benefits. So we have to JOOB.

 

Now 2.70 : 2.71.
When she was at 2.66 : 2.67, I did queue at 2.66.
But she no wan to lick me.

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:42) Posted: Its doing 2.68 : 2.69 now. This morn, the price was pushed down to 2.65 very quickly within the 1st minute of trading with not many lots done at each level. My take is the monkey seized the 1st minute of trading when the BUY queues were thin to do a shakeout as it wont cost him much to ramp down thru a thin BUY queue. The ramming stopped at 2.65 with only 2.1 lots done at that price. After that there were tons of selling in small lots at 2.66 when the price was at 2.66 : 2.67. This was when, I believe, the monkey was buying from whoever was willing to sell. And so we have 492.3 lots of sell downs done at 2.66 with only 3.2 lots of buy-ups done at that price. Then when the pool of willing sellers at 2.66 dried up, the monkey in one gulp swallowed 327.2 lots from the SELL queue at 2.67. And then waited for more sellers to appear at 2,67. There wasnt many. So 3 mins later, the monkey in another gulp swallowed 122 lots from the SELL queue at 2.68. Hearing continues. wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:04) Posted: MIT... 2.66 : 2.67 after touching 2.65. Hmmm.... a chance to buy?

 

Some human Some time..purposely make machines create or make mistakes for their own benefits.

Some human Some time..human also purposely make human create or make mistakes for their own benefits.

So we have to JOOB.
 

 

I don' t think that day will ever come.
It' s like asking the deep learning system to learn the emotion/greed/fear of billions of people, some contra, some scalping, some swing, some investing, all with different time frames. All have different goals.
Unless, all tradings are done by AI systems. Then we have the consistency because the machines won' t do random things. But then you will have 5000 +/- movements daily maybe until one of them goes contrarian? Haha.

simpleguy123      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:18) Posted:   Well as long as the AI Algorithms doesn' t " destroy" the hedge & pension fund houses, by plunging and short-selling every counter without remorse..... bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:11) Posted: Cyborg days will be here. Haha. It' s like the holy grail for AI. We are looking for the holy grail in trading/investing. Still searching ..

 

If that should happen, it will be a one-off freak event.
Just like the freak event we had a few years back when a " fat finger error" caused Jardine' s price to suddenly plunge sharply.
That day, bravehearts who betted on the plunge as a freak event and went LONG reaped their rewards.
But kan cheong spiders who threw at the opening lost bigtime. 

simpleguy123      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:18) Posted:   Well as long as the AI Algorithms doesn' t " destroy" the hedge & pension fund houses, by plunging and short-selling every counter without remorse..... bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:11) Posted: Cyborg days will be here. Haha. It' s like the holy grail for AI. We are looking for the holy grail in trading/investing. Still searching ..

 

BTW I am *not* calling you gals/uys to sell everything you have and dump them into the stock market ah.
Just sharing some facts only.
Still DYODD.
 

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:54) Posted: Yes. When economy is good and business activity picks up, cost goes up. And interest rate rising is to be expected and factored into business cost. Rising interest rate wont cause businesses to stop investing or stop hiring or close shop. Rising costs which includes interest rate, is all part and parcel of a healthy business environment in a growing economy.  bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:17) Posted: Rising rate is a risk for all businesses. And yes and no. Rate goes up because the market is anticipating a good economy ahead. Is that bad for businesses when the economy is good? As long as the rate doesn' t go up to such an extent that it hurts the businesses, it is a non issue. Before the crash in 2020, the yield was standing at 1.8% in early 2020. Before the crash in 2008, the yield was > 3.5%. It crashed to about 2.1% and bounced back to 3.8% by mid 2009. And we all know that' s the start of the 11-year bull run now.

 

Yes. When economy is good and business activity picks up, cost goes up. And interest rate rising is to be expected and factored
into business cost. Rising interest rate wont cause businesses to stop investing or stop hiring or close shop. Rising costs which
includes interest rate, is all part and parcel of a healthy business environment in a growing economy. 

bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:17) Posted: Rising rate is a risk for all businesses. And yes and no. Rate goes up because the market is anticipating a good economy ahead. Is that bad for businesses when the economy is good? As long as the rate doesn' t go up to such an extent that it hurts the businesses, it is a non issue. Before the crash in 2020, the yield was standing at 1.8% in early 2020. Before the crash in 2008, the yield was > 3.5%. It crashed to about 2.1% and bounced back to 3.8% by mid 2009. And we all know that' s the start of the 11-year bull run now.   halleluyah      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:11) Posted: rising yield will be a risk to reits....

 

boom, boom, boom...

SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:41) Posted: Gen Tik Talk, cut loss for?? We the SMRs formally declare war with the Beer Kartek monkeys, EP1 0.72-0.725. TikTalk      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:36) Posted: Breaking news: Just cut lost -125.01

 

Look again.
They are recovering.
Selling is well absorbed.
People are buying the dips.
I think there was a shakeout to shake loose the weaker players to sell.
Those who sold this morning.... if they want to get back in, they will now have to buy back higher. 

mav1ryan      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:15) Posted: Most REITs are in red now. A bit of panic?

 

Ah Mah,

When Yellen became Fed Chief and started to raise interest rates, the market said the same thing about REITs.
DunnoWhen was particularly very outspoken about REITs. He condemned REITs as the worst stocks to buy.
But guess what?
Throughout Yellen' s tenure, REITS did this.

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halleluyah      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:11) Posted: rising yield will be a risk to reits....

 

That' s not quite true.
AI is trained by human beings. It' s better than what was in 80' s where it was rule based. You don' t tell it what to do it for case Z, it would be stuck.
Today it tries to learn what human trains it. Just go back to the speed bump example and you would get what I mean. Or you purposely ignore all speed sign. The car knows to slow down because the trainer (human driver) will slow down upon seeing the specific signs. Or if you see a 50km/h sign each time you just stop your car. The car will learn to stop when it detects a 50km/h sign even though it may be dangerous to abruptly stop in the middle of a road, unless you train it by having some accidences when it stops that way. Hahaha. Then it may be able to deduce something and decides a different course, like sending you to the mental hospital. Kekeke.

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:29) Posted: If AI can learn on its own and teach itself and there are no parameters, the danger is what if AI starts to have its own value system as to what is right and what is wrong OR what is good and what is bad OR who deserves to live and who doesnt... and it executes based on its own judgment using its own value system. Then the human race would have created another race.  bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 08:53) Posted: As an example, let' s say for training a autonomous car, the driver each time ignores the speed bump and just drive fast over it. The AI will not learn to slow down when it comes to speed bumps. But for a human who has never seen a speed bump, the effect of running over it at speed is you get uncomfotable. The next time you will slow down. But the AI probably will never learn that unless it has gyrators inside the cars to say hey all my components are bouncing inside the car and they will wear down very quickly if you keep doing that. If the AI can automatically learn that that is bad, without human teaching it, wow, it will be scary to me

 

Its doing 2.68 : 2.69 now.

This morn, the price was pushed down to 2.65 very quickly within the 1st minute of trading with not many lots done at each level.
My take is the monkey seized the 1st minute of trading when the BUY queues were thin to do a shakeout as it wont cost him much
to ramp down thru a thin BUY queue. The ramming stopped at 2.65 with only 2.1 lots done at that price. After that there were tons
of selling in small lots at 2.66 when the price was at 2.66 : 2.67. This was when, I believe, the monkey was buying from whoever
was willing to sell. And so we have 492.3 lots of sell downs done at 2.66 with only 3.2 lots of buy-ups done at that price. Then when
the pool of willing sellers at 2.66 dried up, the monkey in one gulp swallowed 327.2 lots from the SELL queue at 2.67. And then waited
for more sellers to appear at 2,67. There wasnt many. So 3 mins later, the monkey in another gulp swallowed 122 lots from the SELL
queue at 2.68.

Hearing continues.

wavehunter      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:04) Posted: MIT... 2.66 : 2.67 after touching 2.65. Hmmm.... a chance to buy?

 

Gen Tik Talk, cut loss for??
We the SMRs formally declare war with the Beer Kartek monkeys, EP1 0.72-0.725.

TikTalk      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 09:36) Posted: Breaking news: Just cut lost -125.01

 

current machines based mainly on human logic, so still got limitation.
the advantage of machines are they can remember much better than human, they can perform logic or search much faster than human,
they will not grumble..they just get corrupted or burned.
now scientists are still trying very hard to put emotion sensors to the robots, they had small success is making robot/machine reproduce themself using bio-cell to act like electronics.
eventually, they will create some sort of human and if not handle properly, u he she they me the human will be their slaves or buried by them.
just like wat our great great human did.
 

bystander1965      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 08:32) Posted: Nowadays it is not errors (unless it' s a bug). The machines are taught to look at N dimensions and decide. But there is a possibility that there is a N+1 dimension human has not taught them, and human only realises after seeing the situation. Human brains are still much more sophisticated but emotion gets in the way.   kiseki_2818      ( Date: 19-Mar-2021 08:23) Posted: special situation human will need to quickly take control of the machine. bcos machine can do many things fast, esp when duplicationg errors. so machine and bbs can also lose $$$ to us