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SembCorp Marine- The new Frontier.

Fresh reporrt from the oven (Offshore oil and gas is going to boom right now)

To date, according to Rystad Energy, deepwater oil is the second-cheapest in the world, after onshore Middle Eastern oil, whose breakeven price is around $30 per barrel. The average breakeven price for deepwater oil is $43 a barrel.

This is good news because most of the untapped oil reserves in the world are located offshore, and despite pessimistic demand forecast, many believe the world will continue needing dozens of millions of barrels of oil in the decades to come. Many, if not most, of these dozens of millions of barrels will be coming from offshore fields.

Exxon is not the only one betting strongly on offshore exploration amid the pandemic. Brazil&rsquo s Petrobras is planning a focus on deepwater exploration and production for the next five years, the company said last month, when it also announced a downward revision to its spending program for the period.

The Brazilian major  said  in a filing that it will spend $55 billion over the next five years, down by 27 percent in 2019. Of the total, 84 percent would go towards exploration and production, most of it in the prolific pre-salt zone, which is estimated to hold billions of barrels of undiscovered oil.

 

agree with u, just ignore the dips for now ... patience.

better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 23:11) Posted: The share price went down because some big players or THE player wants it down for now, for whatever reason. So THE player sell or short sell to bring it down. Period. For long term investor like me, it really does not matter. If I can, I will take advantage of the situation to buy more. If I can' t buy, I can always hold on to my existing position. Waiting is free. For most SMM investors, it would be best for them to take a 6 months nap and ignore what happen in between.

 

Exactly. The lift is definitely going to higher because the intrinsic value of SMM is around 40 to 50 cents.

During boom times, may get closer to $1/-

ehclim      ( Date: 17-Dec-2020 00:25) Posted: A.k.a a person playing yoyo inside a lift that going up to higher floor. Just wait for the lift to reach the higher floor. Akan Datang. better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 23:11) Posted: The share price went down because some big players or THE player wants it down for now, for whatever reason. So THE player sell or short sell to bring it down. Period. For long term investor like me, it really does not matter. If I can, I will take advantage of the situation to buy more. If I can' t buy, I can always hold on to my existing position. Waiting is free. For most SMM investors, it would be best for them to take a 6 months nap and ignore what happen in between.

 

better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 23:11) Posted: The share price went down because some big players or THE player wants it down for now, for whatever reason. So THE player sell or short sell to bring it down. Period. For long term investor like me, it really does not matter. If I can, I will take advantage of the situation to buy more. If I can' t buy, I can always hold on to my existing position. Waiting is free. For most SMM investors, it would be best for them to take a 6 months nap and ignore what happen in between.

 

A.k.a a person playing yoyo inside a lift that going up to higher floor. Just wait for the lift to reach the higher floor. Akan Datang.

better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 23:11) Posted: The share price went down because some big players or THE player wants it down for now, for whatever reason. So THE player sell or short sell to bring it down. Period. For long term investor like me, it really does not matter. If I can, I will take advantage of the situation to buy more. If I can' t buy, I can always hold on to my existing position. Waiting is free. For most SMM investors, it would be best for them to take a 6 months nap and ignore what happen in between.

 

The share price went down because some big players or THE player wants it down for now, for whatever reason.

So THE player sell or short sell to bring it down. Period.

For long term investor like me, it really does not matter.

If I can, I will take advantage of the situation to buy more. If I can' t buy, I can always hold on to my existing position. Waiting is free.

For most SMM investors, it would be best for them to take a 6 months nap and ignore what happen in between.

 

Essentially, UOB KH/s report is saying thatSMMt should be trading at 0.64x book value or 12+ cents per share.

So when SMM is trading at 12 cents in November, they say the price is just about right, so HOLD.

When SMM is trading at 17 cents last week, it is much higher than their calculated fair value, so SELL.

They are entitled to have their opinion, just like anyone else. The only issue of couse is that the anayst did not get the Book value per share right.

But so be it. The last 2 days selling has got nothing to do with the UOB KH report.

 

abe8888, his view is actually quite positive - banks now see the company in an even more positive light given its stronger balance sheet&mdash although it conceded that its cash flow in 2020 will be affected by the delivery delays [understandable due to covid-19]
its yards are back to full capacity and its repairs & upgrades (R& U) business is busy,
new order flow may only resurface in the first half of 2021 at the earliest

haha ... anyway everyone is winding down toward end of the year.
 

Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 17:45) Posted: UOB Kay Hian upgrades Sembcorp Marine to ' hold' on valuation grounds while CGS-CIMB maintains ' hold' due to net current liability position https://www.theedgesingapore.com/capital/brokers-calls/uob-kay-hian-upgrades-sembcorp-marine-hold-valuation-grounds-while-cgs-cimb by - Felicia Tan  Published on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 / 4:24 PM GMT+8 Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 14:29) Posted: Press 1 for Law Ministry for matters regarding fake news. Press 2 for Ministry for Trade and Industry for matters regarding future of O & G Press 3 for the Editor Business Times Otherwise please hold :(

 

just dun understand last nite oil price up today smm still drop...think doesnt rhymes wif index anymore

 

UOB Kay Hian upgrades Sembcorp Marine to ' hold' on valuation grounds while CGS-CIMB maintains ' hold' due to net current liability position

https://www.theedgesingapore.com/capital/brokers-calls/uob-kay-hian-upgrades-sembcorp-marine-hold-valuation-grounds-while-cgs-cimb

Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 14:29) Posted: Press 1 for Law Ministry for matters regarding fake news. Press 2 for Ministry for Trade and Industry for matters regarding future of O & G Press 3 for the Editor Business Times Otherwise please hold :(( ADS2200      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 14:15) Posted: heard some unhappy fellows are bringing the matter up. no other houses made such an erroneous call. don' t think he can simply walk away after making a call like that.  now they are looking into the report. let him go and explain whether future or whatever facts. if you said fake news is bad, this kind of erroneous report is also not acceptable.  otherwise everyday got counter being sold down because a reputable coy anaylst gave a wrong figure.  let' s see what the authority has to sa

 

Press 1 for Law Ministry for matters regarding fake news.
Press 2 for Ministry for Trade and Industry for matters regarding future of O & G
Press 3 for the Editor Business Times
Otherwise please hold :((

ADS2200      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 14:15) Posted: heard some unhappy fellows are bringing the matter up. no other houses made such an erroneous call. don' t think he can simply walk away after making a call like that.  now they are looking into the report. let him go and explain whether future or whatever facts. if you said fake news is bad, this kind of erroneous report is also not acceptable.  otherwise everyday got counter being sold down because a reputable coy anaylst gave a wrong figure.  let' s see what the authority has to say Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:39) Posted: Actually, I did wonder why bother to comment... should just ride on the stampeding herd of elephants. It is, however, very painful to see the light at the end of the tunnel getting diminished again and again.. " Wash trades occur when there is a simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security where there is neither a change in the beneficial ownership nor a transfer of risk. Such trades artificially increase trading volumes or maintain prices, which may constitute false trading" . I googled " market manipulations wash trading sgx mas" and read that wash trades are illegal and SGX and MAS frown on them and has detection tools which are hopefully not broken and the operators not sloppy! May I speculate that yesterday there was some washing done as the volume was too high (with just the issue of an erroneous report).

 

If indeed there was an error, is this fellow going to be scape goat? Poor fella Bosses all siam? Anyway damage already done but I do wonder if the report really was the main reason for the sell down yesterday and today though.

ADS2200      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 14:15) Posted: heard some unhappy fellows are bringing the matter up. no other houses made such an erroneous call. don' t think he can simply walk away after making a call like that.  now they are looking into the report. let him go and explain whether future or whatever facts. if you said fake news is bad, this kind of erroneous report is also not acceptable.  otherwise everyday got counter being sold down because a reputable coy anaylst gave a wrong figure.  let' s see what the authority has to say Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:39) Posted: Actually, I did wonder why bother to comment... should just ride on the stampeding herd of elephants. It is, however, very painful to see the light at the end of the tunnel getting diminished again and again.. " Wash trades occur when there is a simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security where there is neither a change in the beneficial ownership nor a transfer of risk. Such trades artificially increase trading volumes or maintain prices, which may constitute false trading" . I googled " market manipulations wash trading sgx mas" and read that wash trades are illegal and SGX and MAS frown on them and has detection tools which are hopefully not broken and the operators not sloppy! May I speculate that yesterday there was some washing done as the volume was too high (with just the issue of an erroneous report).

 

heard some unhappy fellows are bringing the matter up. no other houses made such an erroneous call.
don' t think he can simply walk away after making a call like that. 
now they are looking into the report. let him go and explain whether future or whatever facts.
if you said fake news is bad, this kind of erroneous report is also not acceptable. 
otherwise everyday got counter being sold down because a reputable coy anaylst gave a wrong figure. 
let' s see what the authority has to say

Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:39) Posted: Actually, I did wonder why bother to comment... should just ride on the stampeding herd of elephants. It is, however, very painful to see the light at the end of the tunnel getting diminished again and again.. " Wash trades occur when there is a simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security where there is neither a change in the beneficial ownership nor a transfer of risk. Such trades artificially increase trading volumes or maintain prices, which may constitute false trading" . I googled " market manipulations wash trading sgx mas" and read that wash trades are illegal and SGX and MAS frown on them and has detection tools which are hopefully not broken and the operators not sloppy! May I speculate that yesterday there was some washing done as the volume was too high (with just the issue of an erroneous report).   better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:08) Posted: Wash trading or LEFT hand sell to RIGHT hand is happening in all stock markets and in most actively traded stocks. Not illegal for A to sell to B and B to sell back to A unless they are the same entity. Even if they are the same entity, they cover their tracks well so It is almost impossible to prove. That' s why MAS or SGX will not waste their energy on this. For all investors and speculators, we have to accept that manipulation is always part of the game. And small astute investors are not at a disadvantage buit rather at an advantage because of all these manipoulatiuve activities. The more manipulation, the more opportunities

 

All these market fortune teller are bullshit ... believe them shit also can eat !

 

Things like these can be very difficult to prove, and it will take years...

weekaykee      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:51) Posted: If the sole reason for SMM' s sharp decline yesterday and today is the latest analyst' s sell call, then there could be something fishy going on. SGX needs to investigate.  There have been many sell calls and downgrades for other counters, without a similar reaction.

 

Does SMM have any option thingy in the market? I am just wondering if it has anything to do with this Friday, a triple witching non-sense. In Sep it was severly affected also.

 

If the sole reason for SMM' s sharp decline yesterday and today is the latest analyst' s sell call, then there could be something fishy going on. SGX needs to investigate. 

There have been many sell calls and downgrades for other counters, without a similar reaction.

 

My take? Don' t bother looking or thinking about all these.
If you have done your homework, then stick to it.
This is a loss making company and has been a shortists' favourite for many many years. Until it confirms its promises, the share price is going to be wild. If you look at the chart, from TA, it is beaten down but now trying to get up. Hopefully it will.
Business-wise, I think it' s viable. But the change will not be fast. It will be a painful/emotionally draining journey.
Normally I will not invest in companies like this but I made a mistake 2 years ago. Now have to salvage it (I have salvaged 25-30% of my loss). Why am I not cutting now? Well, it' s already so low and I think this is a good opportunity. So might well bet on it. I think Q12021 we will have a much better view of this.
Just my $0.02 worth. DYODD.

Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:39) Posted: Actually, I did wonder why bother to comment... should just ride on the stampeding herd of elephants. It is, however, very painful to see the light at the end of the tunnel getting diminished again and again.. " Wash trades occur when there is a simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security where there is neither a change in the beneficial ownership nor a transfer of risk. Such trades artificially increase trading volumes or maintain prices, which may constitute false trading" . I googled " market manipulations wash trading sgx mas" and read that wash trades are illegal and SGX and MAS frown on them and has detection tools which are hopefully not broken and the operators not sloppy! May I speculate that yesterday there was some washing done as the volume was too high (with just the issue of an erroneous report).   better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:08) Posted: Wash trading or LEFT hand sell to RIGHT hand is happening in all stock markets and in most actively traded stocks. Not illegal for A to sell to B and B to sell back to A unless they are the same entity. Even if they are the same entity, they cover their tracks well so It is almost impossible to prove. That' s why MAS or SGX will not waste their energy on this. For all investors and speculators, we have to accept that manipulation is always part of the game. And small astute investors are not at a disadvantage buit rather at an advantage because of all these manipoulatiuve activities. The more manipulation, the more opportunities

 

Actually, I did wonder why bother to comment... should just ride on the stampeding herd of elephants.
It is, however, very painful to see the light at the end of the tunnel getting diminished again and again..

" Wash trades occur when there is a simultaneous purchase and sale of the same security where there is neither a change in the beneficial ownership nor a transfer of risk. Such trades artificially increase trading volumes or maintain prices, which may constitute false trading" .

I googled " market manipulations wash trading sgx mas" and read that wash trades are illegal and SGX and MAS frown on them and has detection tools which are hopefully not broken and the operators not sloppy!

May I speculate that yesterday there was some washing done as the volume was too high (with just the issue of an erroneous report).
 

better      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 12:08) Posted: Wash trading or LEFT hand sell to RIGHT hand is happening in all stock markets and in most actively traded stocks. Not illegal for A to sell to B and B to sell back to A unless they are the same entity. Even if they are the same entity, they cover their tracks well so It is almost impossible to prove. That' s why MAS or SGX will not waste their energy on this. For all investors and speculators, we have to accept that manipulation is always part of the game. And small astute investors are not at a disadvantage buit rather at an advantage because of all these manipoulatiuve activities. The more manipulation, the more opportunities. Abe8888      ( Date: 16-Dec-2020 11:32) Posted: Little birdie' s name is Sofia. And she also said that - " Wash trading is a process whereby a trader buys and sells a security for the express purpose of feeding misleading information to the market. In some situations, wash trades are executed by a trader and a broker who are colluding with each other, and other times wash trades are executed by investors acting as both the buyer and the seller of the security. Wash trading is illegal under U.S. law" . And Sg too! She added that mummy is very displeased

 

So the manipulkator just have to make sure they do not buy more than 5% per account.