U r so cool as cucumber.
FreedomAngelz ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 19:33) Posted:
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UG Healthcare key markets is in Europe, South America (e.g Brazil), followed by Asia.
Next Q4 in Aug should be their best performing, as they can recognize the sales that was delayed in Q3.
Also, it being their FY2021 there should be a cash/scrip dividend. How much exactly is your guess.
Next Q4 in Aug should be their best performing, as they can recognize the sales that was delayed in Q3.
Also, it being their FY2021 there should be a cash/scrip dividend. How much exactly is your guess.
UG I bought in April at $0.615 and sold at $0.69, made around $1k in profit
Had been planning to enter again after it dropped past $0.60, but haven' t done so yet
Been putting my money into SingTel, City Dev and Straits Trading recently
And also, putting all your eggs into one basket is very risky like what that guy did
Better to do diversification
Had been planning to enter again after it dropped past $0.60, but haven' t done so yet
Been putting my money into SingTel, City Dev and Straits Trading recently
And also, putting all your eggs into one basket is very risky like what that guy did
Better to do diversification
" Briefly, prior to Covid-19, he was working in the tourism sector but lost his income stream, so he decided to put his savings into the stock market to make some money."
If anyone invested into gloves during this period, shortly after covid hit, even with the recent drop in share price anyone could have easily tripled their investment too
If you are suggesting that after the recent drop in gloves shares price, he sold gloves and went into Serba, Serba prices have already dropped even way before gloves share prices start dropping
So he wouldn' t have made a lot of loss in Serba while having a lot of profits from gloves
Eg.Historical share price shows UG at less than $0.10 in May' 20, went up by more than 10 times to a dollar plus
Even at less than $0.60 now, the investment would have already easily went up by more than 5 times if sold now
Even if he sold gloves at the bottom price now, with more than 5 times profit and time travel back to May and invest in Serba in May just before the share price dipped, the loss of 70%-80% in Serba would just be about the same amount of profits he made in gloves, actually loss is even less than the profits
 
If anyone invested into gloves during this period, shortly after covid hit, even with the recent drop in share price anyone could have easily tripled their investment too
If you are suggesting that after the recent drop in gloves shares price, he sold gloves and went into Serba, Serba prices have already dropped even way before gloves share prices start dropping
So he wouldn' t have made a lot of loss in Serba while having a lot of profits from gloves
Eg.Historical share price shows UG at less than $0.10 in May' 20, went up by more than 10 times to a dollar plus
Even at less than $0.60 now, the investment would have already easily went up by more than 5 times if sold now
Even if he sold gloves at the bottom price now, with more than 5 times profit and time travel back to May and invest in Serba in May just before the share price dipped, the loss of 70%-80% in Serba would just be about the same amount of profits he made in gloves, actually loss is even less than the profits
 
tonyja ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 19:16) Posted:
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Mine is currently S$23k
tonyja ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 19:16) Posted:
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How much is your paper loss for glove counter ? )
PhillipTan ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 19:05) Posted:
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For community sharing so that they can   avoid   the similar fate. 
 
River stone has announce officially that MCO has reduced the workforce and number of gloves 
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Riverstone reply to Malaysia Lockdown:
Based on preliminary calculations, taking into account the temporary closures of its manufacturing facilities in Taiping, Perak and limits on workforce capacity to 60% as mandated  by the Malaysian government, the Group has estimated a capacity loss of approximately 200 million pieces of gloves, or approximately a 2% impact on the Group& rsquo s total annual  production capacity of 10.5 billion pieces.
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PhillipTan ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 19:05) Posted:
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Story sounds a bit far stretched here
Gloves shares performed really well, he must have made a lot of money for his investment there
Share price there jumped easily 5-8 times or even more back after covid started
It also seems like Serba Dinamik did not go bankrupt or delisted yet, so how will he lose everything he invested
Even if he decides to sell and lose about 70%-80% of his investment in Serba, he will only be back to square one by losing the profits he earned from glove shares investment
Eg. $200k into gloves becomes $1 million
Sell and invest $1 million into Serba, value drops by 80% back to $200k
Maybe the actual reason why he wanted to commit suicide is because he was only a millionaire, but only briefly, and then back to where he was before originally
But if he looks at the bright side of life, he still have his $200k lol
 
Gloves shares performed really well, he must have made a lot of money for his investment there
Share price there jumped easily 5-8 times or even more back after covid started
It also seems like Serba Dinamik did not go bankrupt or delisted yet, so how will he lose everything he invested
Even if he decides to sell and lose about 70%-80% of his investment in Serba, he will only be back to square one by losing the profits he earned from glove shares investment
Eg. $200k into gloves becomes $1 million
Sell and invest $1 million into Serba, value drops by 80% back to $200k
Maybe the actual reason why he wanted to commit suicide is because he was only a millionaire, but only briefly, and then back to where he was before originally
But if he looks at the bright side of life, he still have his $200k lol
 
tonyja ( Date: 04-Jul-2021 15:16) Posted:
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The Stock Market Has Its Own Dark Side
TradeviewSunday, 04 July 2021

 
Recently, I was shown a video clip on Facebook where a retail investor who suffered major losses in the stock market contemplating suicide and called up DJ Chan Fong of FM 988 seeking for advice. (For full video please go to DJ Chan Fong 988 facebook link  HERE  ) 
Briefly, prior to Covid-19, he was working in the tourism sector but lost his income stream, so he decided to put his savings into the stock market to make some money. He decided to follow a " fake guru" (one of those with Facebook Ads saying how easy investing is, how they are rich and successful etc) and went big into the market. After gloves, he went into Serba Dinamik. Ultimately, he loss everything. He is only 35 years old but he said he is at his wits end as he lost everything and is looking to end his life. This prompted me to write this article, in part to address the extremely dark and painful side of the stock market. In addition, is to reach out to others who suffered the same fate of this gentleman.
Many retail investors look to the stock market as a path to " get rich quick" . Often they are misled or misrepresented by those who appears on youtube / facebook videos ad " saying how easy it is to quit a day job to be a full time trader." These same bunch of " Gurus" like to use social media to flaunt their wealth whether driving a sports car, wearing a fancy watch or expensive suit. Those who are taken in pays astronomical sum as " fees" to these " fake gurus" .
In all honesty, these " fake  Gurus" are very  easy  to spot. This is because in order to prove their " success" , they need to appear " successful" . It is all part of their marketing strategy to lure fresh lambs to slaughter. The worst kind of hypocrites are those who mask themselves as value or fundamental investors when they in fact know nothing about valuation, macroeconomics or reading financial accounts. The are just scam artist and charlatans. In the olden days, they are known snake oil salesman. They move from circle to circle and once the cannot find new " lambs" , they simply work on a new scheme altogether. When things goes bad, they say everyone should be responsible for their own action totally excusing themselves of their liabilities.  If you look at the best value or fundamental investors in the world, they are never showing off or flaunting their wealth. Warren Buffet, Charlie Munger and Peter Lynch are very good example of modesty and humility. 
To put it simply, investing in the stock market is not easy at all. It is not for everyone. However, it is ten times more dangerous if someone enters the stock market with a wrong mindset. A wrong mindset would amplify the most heinous desire - greed. It takes you to do things no rational person would. This is why I am so angry when there are prominent investors in our society  telling people to take margin or leverage to invest in the stock market. This is morally reprehensible of the highest order. Those " Fake Gurus" who tell retail investors to " show hand"   or " sailang" is just as bad.
Most people who invest in the stock market hopes to make money. But if that is the sole purpose, then one must be prepared to lose everything. If you are not prepared to lose everything, you do not enter the stock market. It is just like being an entrepreneur, if you choose to start your own business, be it big or small, you must be prepared to lose everything as there is always risk when it comes to business. If you are not ready for that, do not be an entrepreneur, be an employee instead. It is both a safer and less emotionally tormenting route.  Hence, investing should always be about using excess funds set aside for the purposes of investing. It should not dip into your savings, children education fund  or monthly commitments. 
Personally, I have been tested many times through out my investment journey. I have made countless  mistakes over the years. I have made huge losses especially in the early days. To me, the stock market is where many facets of my existence are constantly being challenged, for example my aptitude, patience, greed, confidence amongst many others. This is also where life lessons can be frequently picked up while it helps me mature not only as an investor but also a person. Until today, I am learning and in order to continue to sustain or to do well, it is a continuous process. Voracious reading is a pre-requisite followed by the need to maintain a strong psychology and healthy  mindset  to weather headwinds. If you are not able to do so, it is best to keep your hard earned money in the Fixed Deposit. 
In the beginning of my book, the  Chapter " The Million Dollar Question" , it starts off like this  " Investing is a journey. The passage of time breathes life into this. I have not come across anyone, who can convincingly tell me he or she has mastered the art of investing. Probably, if someone did claim that, it would be a hoax. Most of the successful investors in the world share one common trait - humility" . 
With this, I hope all retail investors out there who are passionate with the market do not lose hope when you are losing money in the stock market. Rather, think of where you went wrong, find out your mistakes, learn from it and do better next time. It is a life long journey, I know it for a fact because I am still learning every day.
Ps: I want to express my utmost respect to FM988  DJ Chan Fong who have been tirelessly providing counselling and assisting those who went through emotional, traumatic,  mental health issues over the years. Even when I was much younger, before mental health awareness was in focus,  DJ Chan Fong was  already helping many people with his programme. #DJChanFong 
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I have learnt not to trust the instituitions so much and if you are in the market for long, you would understand why.
Maybank says best is over for glove sector as ASP peaks
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July 02, 2021 14:25 pm +08
July 02, 2021 14:25 pm +08
KUALA LUMPUR (July 2): Maybank Investment Bank Bhd (Maybank IB) said today the best is over for the Malaysian rubber glove manufacturing sector as average selling prices (ASPs) had peaked in the first half of 2021 (1H21) amid moderating demand for gloves on rising Covid-19 vaccination rates.
Maybank IB analyst Wong Wei Sum wrote in a note today that the glove sector&rsquo s earnings upcycle seems to have been cut short in anticipation of a faster-than-expected decline in glove ASPs in 2H21.
" The glove sector is entering a phase of declining ASP (and hence profit) trend on increased supply and rising vaccination rates. Competition is intensifying among both existing and new entrants. 
&ldquo ESG (environmental, social, and governance) risk adds further pressure on glove companies&rsquo earnings and valuation outlook. We are switching our valuation method from DCF (discounted cash flow) to PE (price-earnings) multiple, and downgrading the sector to ' neutral' . Hartalega (Holdings Bhd) is our preferred pick,&rdquo she said.
Besides Hartalega, Malaysia&rsquo s major rubber glove manufacturers include Top Glove Corp Bhd, Supermax Corp Bhd and Kossan Rubber Industries Bhd.
In recent conference calls with analysts, both Hartalega and Top Glove had guided for lower ASPs in the coming months, Wong said today.
" Intensifying competition among the existing and new players (especially the rapidly-expanding China glove producers) could further pressure ASP. 
" According to a Frost & Sulivan report, ASPs for nitrile/latex gloves are expected to decline by -59%/-52% to US$35 /US$20.40 per 1,000 gloves by 2023, from the current US$85/US$42.70 per 1,000 gloves, respectively,&rdquo Wong said.
" We downgrade Kossan (shares) to ' hold' while maintaining our ' buy' (call) on Hartalega and ' hold' (call) on Top Glove,&rdquo Wong said.
Maybank IB lowered its Hartalega share target price (TP) to RM9.80 from RM13.10 while Kossan&rsquo s TP was revised down to RM3.20 from RM5.25, according to her.
On Top Glove, she said Maybank IB lowered its TP for the stock to RM3.98 from RM4.51.
According to Wong, Maybank IB lowered its Hartalega TP to RM9.80 from RM13.10 in tandem with an earnings downgrade on the company for the financial year ending March 31, 2022 (FY22), FY23 and FY24. 
" We lower our FY22/FY23/FY24 earnings forecasts for Hartalega by -21%/-19%/-6% after assuming lower blended ASPs for FY22/FY23/FY24 of US$65/US$44/US$29 per 1,000 gloves, while maintaining our earnings forecasts for Kossan and Top Glove as we have already assumed lower ASPs during last results season,&rdquo she said.
Meanwhile, TA Securities Holdings Bhd analyst Tan Kong Jin wrote in a note today that based on the current expansion plans of existing glove manufacturers, entry of new players and aggressive glove production capacity expansion by China, TA Securities believes that there is a possibility of glove oversupply in 2022. 
" In our forecast, we expect a surplus of 40.3 billion gloves in 2022 (assuming no delays/changes to the targeted expansion plans),&rdquo Tan said.
For 2021, he said TA Securities and glove manufacturers, however, project glove supply shortage as the Covid-19 pandemic generates demand for gloves, which is seen as a crucial personal protective equipment.
" Based on our channel checks, 2021 capacity will be fully sold. We project a shortage of 27.5 billion gloves while MARGMA (Malaysian Rubber Glove Manufacturers Association) has projected a shortage of 80 billion gloves in 2021. 
" We expect future demand for gloves to continue growing by 9% over the next three years on the back of: i) rising hygiene awareness, ii) increasing incidence of chronic communicable diseases, iii) ageing population, iv) wider applications across industries and v) growing usage of gloves,&rdquo he said.
Tan said that as Covid-19 vaccination continues to gather pace, daily new cases and deaths linked to the pandemic globally are expected to decrease in the future. 
As such, the lead time for gloves has fallen to about 70 days compared to above 250 days at its peak, he said. 
Lead time refers to the number of days taken to deliver products to buyers from the day the orders were placed.
Hence, Tan said: " We expect (glove) ASP to continue to trend lower and move towards normalisation gradually by end-2023."
Overall, glove ASP is still expected to remain above pre-Covid-19 levels due to the increase in cost and structural change in glove usage, according to him.
He said the key risk to TA Securities'   glove ASP assumptions is a price war initiated by Chinese players to gain market share.
" Following the revision in our earnings forecast and rolling forward our valuations to CY23, we downgrade Big 4&rsquo s (Malaysian glove manufacturers) TP accordingly. 
" We maintain our ' buy' recommendation on Hartalega and Kossan with a lower TP of RM10.50 (previously RM12.16) and RM3.98 (previously RM4.90) [respectively]. 
" We downgrade Top Glove to ' hold' from ' buy' with a lower TP of RM4.02 (previously RM5.30). Meanwhile, we downgrade Supermax to ' sell' from ' buy' with a lower TP of RM2.76 (previously RM6.07). Downgrade rubber glove sector to ' neutral' from ' overweight' ,&rdquo Tan said.
These glove manufacturers&rsquo share prices settled lower during Bursa Malaysia&rsquo s 12:30pm break today.
Top Glove fell four sen or 0.98% to RM4.03, Hartalega slipped 12 sen or 1.68% to RM7.02, Supermax slid five sen or 1.51% to RM3.26 while Kossan lost eight sen or 2.51% to RM3.11.
If the prices of other glove companies drop, UG will follow the trend. Luckily UG had cash of S$50 mil as at 31 March. They may need to spend another  $ 11 mil for the construction and working capital . That still leaves them with plenty of cash.
UG likely to make $120m net profits this year.
Results next month will know..
I remembered funds bought a big trance at 85c last year..
No sell no buy.. just watch.
Richardlai ( Date: 02-Jul-2021 14:45) Posted:
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Yes look at companies that still have good business and plenty of cash ..... like the glove companies. But jokes aside the Govt has been sleeping and letting the virus go out of control !
KLCI at lunch break close 1531. It is very likely investors confidence are continuously eroded daily due to Covid-19 mismanagement by those in power as not only cases are surging but a sudden announcement of EMCO for Selangor and parts of KL took most by surprise. It is never easy to invest in a market when there are policy uncertainties. It affects the visibility of earnings and ordinary course of business which moves the economy. 
 
As can be seen from The Edge article below, foreign funds have been fleeing Southeast Asia due to fears of resurgence in cases. Whether it is temporary or otherwise, the fact remains both local and foreign funds have been net sellers YTD for our local stock market. Unless and until local and foreign funds show net buying pattern, the market will remain in doldrums. Retail investors cannot be the sole buying force in the market. So there are 2 course of action, 1. stay sidelines 2. nibble on fundamentally sound companies with earnings visibility. 
 
Source: www.tradeview.my 
 
 
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/funds-flee-southeast-asia-stocks-vaccine-push-gets-urgent
Thank you for sharing the IR response. I think the company is doing well to keep its shareholders informed. Expecting a good quarter and a good full year report in Aug. Dyodd
Nice of the company to respond. Yes the additional  investment in the sub is generally recapitalization of intercompany balance resulting from investments in the business held under a sub. 
Thanks for the update.
UG downstream distribution division sell own Unigloves and many other medical products. They also sell gloves to many different service  industries such tatoo shops, F& B, dentists, auto shop etc.. check their websites.
Note that their main markets in South America and UK incl Europe are experiencing new wave of D variant cases. UK has 20k plus cases daily now,  check it out..
Dyodd and dun sell cheap.
I send to UG IR team regarding their subsidiary injection of funds. Here' s their reply:
 
Thank you for your confidence and support of UG Healthcare Corporation Limited (the &ldquo Company&rdquo and together with its subsidiaries, the &ldquo Group&rdquo ).
Our response to your questions is as follows:-
The Group has an integrated business comprising of an upstream manufacturing division and a downstream distribution division.
UGHC Marketing Pte Ltd (&ldquo UGHC Marketing&rdquo ) was established under the Group&rsquo s downstream distribution division as a trading and marketing arm to extend the Group&rsquo s distribution base and increase the Group&rsquo s market reach. The principal activities of UGHC Marketing are to carry out, inter alia, distribution of gloves and other medical disposables of the Group. UGHC Marketing is also involved in trading activities as well as formulating marketing strategies and campaigns for the downstream distribution division. The increase in working capital for UGHC Marketing is to ensure that it has sufficient funds to broaden its business including non-glove ancillary products.  
The increase of investment in UGHC Marketing is an allocation of cash resources within the Group and therefore, it is not expected to have a material impact on the Group&rsquo s earnings per share or the net tangible assets per share for the current financial year ending 30 June 2021.
Please refer to the business activities of the Group&rsquo s subsidiaries found on page 92 of the annual report 2020 for more information.
 
Thank you for your confidence and support of UG Healthcare Corporation Limited (the &ldquo Company&rdquo and together with its subsidiaries, the &ldquo Group&rdquo ).
Our response to your questions is as follows:-
The Group has an integrated business comprising of an upstream manufacturing division and a downstream distribution division.
UGHC Marketing Pte Ltd (&ldquo UGHC Marketing&rdquo ) was established under the Group&rsquo s downstream distribution division as a trading and marketing arm to extend the Group&rsquo s distribution base and increase the Group&rsquo s market reach. The principal activities of UGHC Marketing are to carry out, inter alia, distribution of gloves and other medical disposables of the Group. UGHC Marketing is also involved in trading activities as well as formulating marketing strategies and campaigns for the downstream distribution division. The increase in working capital for UGHC Marketing is to ensure that it has sufficient funds to broaden its business including non-glove ancillary products.  
The increase of investment in UGHC Marketing is an allocation of cash resources within the Group and therefore, it is not expected to have a material impact on the Group&rsquo s earnings per share or the net tangible assets per share for the current financial year ending 30 June 2021.
Please refer to the business activities of the Group&rsquo s subsidiaries found on page 92 of the annual report 2020 for more information.
Well one alternative is to do a technical sale. Then start buying back when the price returns. UG is expected to release results for June perhaps in late July or early Aug 2021. This may add some spark to the share price.