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tongphlp
    21-Sep-2022 13:21  
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the worst is yet 2 come.....

Joelton      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 10:04) Posted:

Top Glove posts first quarterly loss of S$16.3 mil since listing, raises glove prices amid challenges
 
GLOVE manufacturer Top Glove Corporation : BVA -2.27% posted its first quarterly net loss since the company&rsquo s Malaysia listing in 2001 amid mounting cost pressures and a pullback in demand.
 
On Tuesday (Sep 20), Top Glove reported a net loss of RM52.6 million (S$16.3 million) for the fourth fiscal quarter ended August, reversing from a net profit of RM447.4 million in the corresponding year-ago period. 
 
Revenue for the quarter was down 52.3 per cent year on year to RM990.1 million from RM2.1 billion. The board did not propose a dividend for the period under review. 
 
In a call on Tuesday to discuss the company&rsquo s financial results, Top Glove executives said the glove industry is now facing several headwinds. The company also said it will defer its new expansion plans to align with glove demand and supply. 
 
On the supply side, there is currently an oversupply in the glove industry due to the &ldquo aggressive expansion&rdquo from existing players over the past 2 to 3 years. New entrants to the industry have also contributed to the oversupply, said managing director Lim Cheong Guan. 
 
There has also been a correction in demand for gloves, due to excess stockpiling by customers. Some customers have also adopted a &ldquo wait and see&rdquo approach in anticipation of a further decline in average selling prices (ASPs), he said. 
 
Lim was quick to stress that the declines in topline and bottomline figures are part of the &ldquo nature of the (glove sector&rsquo s) business&rdquo . Top Glove has anticipated this, and is working on several cost conservation and resource optimisation levels. 
 
Glove ASPs have already fallen off their pandemic highs, and the drop in prices has forced Top Glove to write down its inventory value to net realisable value by RM56 million in Q4 2022 and by RM229 million for FY2022. 
 
Among the company&rsquo s 4 types of gloves, surgical gloves was the only type which saw an increase in ASPs for Q4 on a quarter-on-quarter basis. Demand for this glove type held steady and rose after the Covid-19 pandemic due to the resumption of elective surgeries. 
 
Meanwhile, ASPs for nitrile gloves and natural rubber gloves fell by 10 per cent and 6 per cent respectively over the same period, while prices of vinyl gloves were down by 5 per cent. The sales volume of all 4 glove types fell on a quarter-on-quarter basis. 
 
Costs have also risen, further crimping margins for the company. Domestically, Top Glove was affected by an estimated 60 per cent hike in natural gas tariff over the course of FY2022, and a 25 per cent increase in the Malaysian minimum wage from RM1,200 to RM1,500 which took effect in May 2022.
 
The fall in ASPs and spike in costs mean glovemakers like Top Glove &ldquo can&rsquo t continue to lose money&rdquo , said executive chairman Lim Wee Chai. In October, Top Glove hiked its selling price by 5 per cent. 
 
&ldquo We need an initiator to start raising prices,&rdquo he added, noting that other players might follow suit and increase prices as well. He added that the company did face &ldquo some resistance&rdquo from its customers after the price increase. 
 
For now, Top Glove does not have plans to raise funds from markets, said managing director Lim. He noted that the group also has banking facilities that it &ldquo can draw on if there is a need&rdquo . 
 
A company spokesperson told The Business Times that the company&rsquo s upward price revision, declining raw material prices and a stronger US dollar will help the group return to profitability. 
 
&ldquo ASPs are bottoming out, and there should be no need for further writedowns if the price continues to stabilise. Hence, we should see an improvement next quarter,&rdquo the spokesperson added. 

 
 
n3wbie
    21-Sep-2022 13:19  
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The key issue is demand and supply and that equilibrium is no longer in place given the abundance of supply from the Chinese who' d ramped up manufacturing capabilities significantly during the pandemic. Many variables at play, FX and operating costs for sure. Not quite sure what' s the level of customer cohesion TG has with their customers but presumably price competition will be intense.
 
 
Longtermer
    21-Sep-2022 13:04  
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TG is doing badly last qtr but from the news, seems like the worse may be over. Not vested.

In October, Top Glove hiked its selling price by 5 per cent. We need an initiator to start raising prices, he added, noting that other players might follow suit and increase prices as well. He added that the company did face some resistance from its customers after the price increase. 
For now, Top Glove does not have plan to raise funds from markets, said managing director Lim. He noted that the group also has banking facilities that it can draw on if there is a need .
 
A company spokesperson told The Business Times that the company upward price revision, declining raw material prices and a stronger US dollar will help the group return to profitability.  ASPs are bottoming out, and there should be no need for further writedowns if the price continues to stabilise. Hence, we should see an improvement next quarter the spokesperson added. 
 
 

 
TheMatrix
    21-Sep-2022 11:18  
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The pandemic spurs the Chinese companies to compete on the area of gloves sector. This result in massive oversupply. And you know China companies are king in squeezing margin that they can bleed u death. This situation results in situation worst than pre pandemic. Top gloves future look bleak. Those who think TP will make a come back on 2-3 years time may be disappointed. Better write off this stock losses and move.on others. My advise, don't average down.

ProRobot      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 11:10) Posted:

Don&rsquo t be con by the Top Glove Chairman losses billion of dollar in market capitalization.
Does he sound worry and working hard to defend Top Glove Revenue, Profit and market shares.
How can the company perform much worse than Covid Pre Pandemic?

The Chairman make USD$400m in dividend in Year21.
In Jan22 when the market price is SGD$0.77c, the market capitalization is round USD$1,6billion.
Now in Sept22,the stock price has plunge to SGD$0.20 making the market capitalization of USD$400m
What he has been short selling the stocks during the peak, he will make tons of money.
Better than selling glove in the market. 
With the profit he gain, he can buy up the whole Top Glove. 
Somemore sitting there with big salary and package, who cares about top glove shares.

The market has plenty of sharks lurking around. Just beware of them.

 
 
ProRobot
    21-Sep-2022 11:10  
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Don&rsquo t be con by the Top Glove Chairman losses billion of dollar in market capitalization.
Does he sound worry and working hard to defend Top Glove Revenue, Profit and market shares.
How can the company perform much worse than Covid Pre Pandemic?

The Chairman make USD$400m in dividend in Year21.
In Jan22 when the market price is SGD$0.77c, the market capitalization is round USD$1,6billion.
Now in Sept22,the stock price has plunge to SGD$0.20 making the market capitalization of USD$400m
What he has been short selling the stocks during the peak, he will make tons of money.
Better than selling glove in the market. 
With the profit he gain, he can buy up the whole Top Glove. 
Somemore sitting there with big salary and package, who cares about top glove shares.

The market has plenty of sharks lurking around. Just beware of them.
 
 
watashievil
    21-Sep-2022 10:21  
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really breaking down wonder what is good price to pick?
any idea when is the AGM?
 

 
lailai
    21-Sep-2022 10:04  
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Shorties mkt, watoexp.sad

watashievil      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 10:02) Posted:

like repeat of scm~ but this better la at least not in heavy debts.
but really ugly sia no rebound at all keep sliding~

 
 
Joelton
    21-Sep-2022 10:04  
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Top Glove posts first quarterly loss of S$16.3 mil since listing, raises glove prices amid challenges
 
GLOVE manufacturer Top Glove Corporation : BVA -2.27% posted its first quarterly net loss since the company&rsquo s Malaysia listing in 2001 amid mounting cost pressures and a pullback in demand.
 
On Tuesday (Sep 20), Top Glove reported a net loss of RM52.6 million (S$16.3 million) for the fourth fiscal quarter ended August, reversing from a net profit of RM447.4 million in the corresponding year-ago period. 
 
Revenue for the quarter was down 52.3 per cent year on year to RM990.1 million from RM2.1 billion. The board did not propose a dividend for the period under review. 
 
In a call on Tuesday to discuss the company&rsquo s financial results, Top Glove executives said the glove industry is now facing several headwinds. The company also said it will defer its new expansion plans to align with glove demand and supply. 
 
On the supply side, there is currently an oversupply in the glove industry due to the &ldquo aggressive expansion&rdquo from existing players over the past 2 to 3 years. New entrants to the industry have also contributed to the oversupply, said managing director Lim Cheong Guan. 
 
There has also been a correction in demand for gloves, due to excess stockpiling by customers. Some customers have also adopted a &ldquo wait and see&rdquo approach in anticipation of a further decline in average selling prices (ASPs), he said. 
 
Lim was quick to stress that the declines in topline and bottomline figures are part of the &ldquo nature of the (glove sector&rsquo s) business&rdquo . Top Glove has anticipated this, and is working on several cost conservation and resource optimisation levels. 
 
Glove ASPs have already fallen off their pandemic highs, and the drop in prices has forced Top Glove to write down its inventory value to net realisable value by RM56 million in Q4 2022 and by RM229 million for FY2022. 
 
Among the company&rsquo s 4 types of gloves, surgical gloves was the only type which saw an increase in ASPs for Q4 on a quarter-on-quarter basis. Demand for this glove type held steady and rose after the Covid-19 pandemic due to the resumption of elective surgeries. 
 
Meanwhile, ASPs for nitrile gloves and natural rubber gloves fell by 10 per cent and 6 per cent respectively over the same period, while prices of vinyl gloves were down by 5 per cent. The sales volume of all 4 glove types fell on a quarter-on-quarter basis. 
 
Costs have also risen, further crimping margins for the company. Domestically, Top Glove was affected by an estimated 60 per cent hike in natural gas tariff over the course of FY2022, and a 25 per cent increase in the Malaysian minimum wage from RM1,200 to RM1,500 which took effect in May 2022.
 
The fall in ASPs and spike in costs mean glovemakers like Top Glove &ldquo can&rsquo t continue to lose money&rdquo , said executive chairman Lim Wee Chai. In October, Top Glove hiked its selling price by 5 per cent. 
 
&ldquo We need an initiator to start raising prices,&rdquo he added, noting that other players might follow suit and increase prices as well. He added that the company did face &ldquo some resistance&rdquo from its customers after the price increase. 
 
For now, Top Glove does not have plans to raise funds from markets, said managing director Lim. He noted that the group also has banking facilities that it &ldquo can draw on if there is a need&rdquo . 
 
A company spokesperson told The Business Times that the company&rsquo s upward price revision, declining raw material prices and a stronger US dollar will help the group return to profitability. 
 
&ldquo ASPs are bottoming out, and there should be no need for further writedowns if the price continues to stabilise. Hence, we should see an improvement next quarter,&rdquo the spokesperson added. 
 
 
watashievil
    21-Sep-2022 10:02  
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like repeat of scm~ but this better la at least not in heavy debts.
but really ugly sia no rebound at all keep sliding~
 
 
Richardlai
    21-Sep-2022 09:58  
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Great ! That is plenty of foresight !

TheMatrix      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 08:24) Posted:

If I am, I wouldn't even bother to post here to remind me of my misery. But I was once tempted to keep this stock for dividend after their salesman promotion bragging about how their demand will continue til 2023. Thanks I am not really dividend guy and didn't buy it when dip below $1.

vicloo      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 07:45) Posted:

Are you one of them?


 

 
Observers
    21-Sep-2022 09:34  
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I quite surprise by the loss actually. I thought China day in day out lockdown of whole cities should generate quite a substantial amount of medical disposables consumption. If Topglove cannot make money now, imagine when China declare pandemic over, their internal supply of gloves and PPE will bury everyone outside the country, at least their neighbouring countries.

Richardlai      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 09:15) Posted:

It seems market was expecting a major drop in earnings, so prices were already correcting.  But not many expected a loss I think. Hopefully the worst is over.

 
 
Ovywind
    21-Sep-2022 09:28  
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fully agreed only we ll enter after sign of reversal 
0.2 is really really fuxxx stock 
3 shd to 20 cent 
does management is sleeping 

pathetic 

vicloo      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 09:22) Posted:

👍 👍 👍 I plan to average down too, but cannot rush... Hold for now for me.

Ovywind      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 08:29) Posted:

damage is done ✅  
i will surely avg down soon 
gloves 🧤 will bounce sure only need time 
i have 2-3 years in hand so i ll hold it 
will narrow down other holdings
will focus only one abd one TG 
 


 
 
vicloo
    21-Sep-2022 09:22  
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👍 👍 👍 I plan to average down too, but cannot rush... Hold for now for me.

Ovywind      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 08:29) Posted:

damage is done ✅  
i will surely avg down soon 
gloves 🧤 will bounce sure only need time 
i have 2-3 years in hand so i ll hold it 
will narrow down other holdings
will focus only one abd one TG 
 

vicloo      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 07:48) Posted:

What the strategy now... Perhaps wait till next Q to buy... I am thinking of that.


 
 
Richardlai
    21-Sep-2022 09:15  
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It seems market was expecting a major drop in earnings, so prices were already correcting.  But not many expected a loss I think. Hopefully the worst is over.
 
 
Ovywind
    21-Sep-2022 08:29  
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damage is done ✅  
i will surely avg down soon 
gloves 🧤 will bounce sure only need time 
i have 2-3 years in hand so i ll hold it 
will narrow down other holdings
will focus only one abd one TG 
 

vicloo      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 07:48) Posted:

What the strategy now... Perhaps wait till next Q to buy... I am thinking of that.

Ovywind      ( Date: 19-Aug-2022 08:41) Posted:

sure bro will share with you 
last time i was holding almost 10 scripts 
only because of this hopless TG i needd to narrow down to only single script 
Now only focus is coming out of TG avg min 6 times now at .8 
not darung to avg ahain but will do once have some spare cash 
more details pm me 


 

 
TheMatrix
    21-Sep-2022 08:24  
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If I am, I wouldn't even bother to post here to remind me of my misery. But I was once tempted to keep this stock for dividend after their salesman promotion bragging about how their demand will continue til 2023. Thanks I am not really dividend guy and didn't buy it when dip below $1.

vicloo      ( Date: 21-Sep-2022 07:45) Posted:

Are you one of them?

TheMatrix      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 22:19) Posted:

I wonder who still holding onto the $1+ price until and refuse to sell? The price may dip towards 0.15


 
 
vicloo
    21-Sep-2022 07:48  
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What the strategy now... Perhaps wait till next Q to buy... I am thinking of that.

Ovywind      ( Date: 19-Aug-2022 08:41) Posted:

sure bro will share with you 
last time i was holding almost 10 scripts 
only because of this hopless TG i needd to narrow down to only single script 
Now only focus is coming out of TG avg min 6 times now at .8 
not darung to avg ahain but will do once have some spare cash 
more details pm me 

blizzzz      ( Date: 18-Aug-2022 07:58) Posted:

How much money total you buy in this stock Top Glove?

How come you can manage to average down to 0.5?

That means you kept buying this stock non stop?

Care to share your story how you manage to average down from 1.70 to 0.50? I can learnt something from your experience about averaging


 
 
vicloo
    21-Sep-2022 07:45  
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Are you one of them?

TheMatrix      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 22:19) Posted:

I wonder who still holding onto the $1+ price until and refuse to sell? The price may dip towards 0.15.

watashievil      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 20:38) Posted:

tml can short liao?
looks bad~


 
 
ysh2006
    21-Sep-2022 05:51  
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Malaysia EPF still holding this shres...may be not to worry.

TheMatrix      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 22:19) Posted:

I wonder who still holding onto the $1+ price until and refuse to sell? The price may dip towards 0.15.

watashievil      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 20:38) Posted:

tml can short liao?
looks bad~


 
 
TheMatrix
    20-Sep-2022 22:19  
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I wonder who still holding onto the $1+ price until and refuse to sell? The price may dip towards 0.15.

watashievil      ( Date: 20-Sep-2022 20:38) Posted:

tml can short liao?
looks bad~

 
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