Post Reply
10061-10080 of 10564
Publicsed today on dbs website. They researched and based the price on $2.40 (last week probably)
Good for reference. They broke down the numbers.
Good for reference. They broke down the numbers.
old news?
Jumbohippo ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 10:28) Posted:
|
DBS just gave out a " Buy" call for riverstone. Maybe time for entry after agm?
https://www.dbs.com.sg/treasures/aics/templatedata/article/equity/data/en/DBSV/012014/RSTON_SP.xml
https://www.dbs.com.sg/treasures/aics/templatedata/article/equity/data/en/DBSV/012014/RSTON_SP.xml
Yep, have to hold and wait
Let' s wait for AGM today 2pm.
Same! Losing few K within 30mins
Dango95 ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 09:27) Posted:
|
any advice ? hold?
Clenching my sai kang tight tight already, bought in both riverstone and sri trang at near peak and both steep decline now
Dont panic and anyhow sell.
A thought as Glove industry are still doing well. Hmm all glove counters drop, lets see if it stabilize later.
tofudidi ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 09:02) Posted:
|
Wa drop like crazy. My heart also drop lol
how u know
ghetto ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 09:01) Posted:
|
There should be positive news from company this afternoon
wa dn 246 219 delta 27
wb up 219 ?236 delta 16 up 61.8%
wc dn
wb up 219 ?236 delta 16 up 61.8%
wc dn
tofudidi ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 08:34) Posted:
|
Now is down trend? wabc?
SgYuan ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 08:32) Posted:
|
w5 ext ew w5 tgt 262 terminate early
ew 135 146 w2?139
- px break 139 gone
Now no more up ew all completed
ew 135 146 w2?139
- px break 139 gone
Now no more up ew all completed
SgYuan ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 21:23) Posted:
|
Hi Guys, so I wrote a piece on UG Healthcare that I thought I' d share with you since we are all in this glove market together. Thoughts and guidance of course are well appreciated. I actually think this applies a lot to riverstone as well especially since Riverstone has its own OBM. It would translate slightly to what the trickle down ASP would be.
UG the Cheapest Glove Stock in Town &ndash PE 4??
A lot of people have been wondering why UG Healthcare is moving mountains for the past few days with assumptions that it is in line with all other small counter glove stocks in the KLSE. This could not be further from the truth. In fact, we could be looking at another SUPERMAX in the making. I understand that this has been thrown around a lot but I do not believe the other glove players such as Comfort or Rubberex is anywhere near the quality of UG.
For this post we will ignore the general headwinds that have impacted other glove companies as well (surge in demand to the point of max capacity, exchange rate, COGS). I will have another post to compare UG vs it&rsquo s peers in terms of valuation.
Potential earnings excluding one-off expenses
To be prudent we can assume that a cost of about SGD10M will be incurred for this period which translates to an additional SGD 6m in profit due to reduced costs.
Altogether = increase in additional profits of SGD 10 (6+4)
OBM &ndash Unigloves (like SUPERMAX?)
UG has been focusing on building their own brand of Unigloves for the past 5 years which has resulted in a very subdued earnings of SGD 2-3million per year despite recording an ever increasing revenue amount (an increase of 100% since 2015). Building out your own distribution network is not an easy task and it is a long-term play. SGD 16m recorded last year just in admin expenses, salary and acquisitions is the kind of commitment it takes and the market has obviously not rewarded management, given its poor net EPS. Very similar to Supermax it often traded at a discount compared to it&rsquo s peers who just did pure OEM.
I believe this fact is often overlooked when assuming that UG is just another glove company. If you take a look at their annual report, they mention UNIGLOVES 84 times vs OEM just once. It shows you the kind of commitment they have towards building out their own brand. While I have not been able to find the exact proportion that UG does OBM vs OEM, I feel that it is safe to assume that most of its sales can be translated to OBM at this point in time. Let&rsquo s assume 70% to be safe.
In this market UG is able to absorb THE ENTIRE markup of the increased ASP (average selling price) will result in SUPERNORMAL PROFITS. We should be able to see a quarterly report very similar to the one produced by Supermax! These guys will be holding contracts with themselves allowing them to increase prices significantly faster than companies like Kossan who only managed to increase it&rsquo s ASP by 1.4%. Holding the entire distribution chain will result in a faster increase in ASP having the margins all to themselves!
Increase in ASP &ndash What does that mean for UG?
What does an increase in ASP translate to for UG? Right now from our understanding, ASP has increased by 45%. An OEM distributor will have to share that increase in ASP with its distributor to be fair. However, OBM distributors do not need to share this and again get to have the whole margin to themselves.
Lets translate this to simple math. We can use the quarter ending March 2019 as an example where the price of gloves are still normalized and we even discount the increase in improved efficiency from their recent upgrades.
Lets take SGD 23.7m in revenue x with an increase in ASP
What happens to margins when there is an increase in ASP? Revenue goes up. But everything else REMAINS THE SAME. I need to repeat this everything else REMAINS THE SAME. It&rsquo s like when you sell a bowl of noodles for RM 10, and decide the next day because my noodles are so popular im going to increase it to RM 14.50. I then collect an additional RM4.50 to my profit line. It doesn&rsquo t translate to an increase in COGS but rather an increase straight down to the bottom line of an increase in RM4.50!
I feel like the market is horribly discounting this fact at the moment. Let&rsquo s assume some leakages along the way and that UG does not enjoy the full 45% increase in ASP. We can take an increase of 30% in ASP and we still get an increase of (SGD 23.7m*0.3)* 4 quarters = SGD 28.4M (we can be generous and neglect any increase in capacity due to higher utilitzation)
That&rsquo s an additional SGD 28.4M in PURE PROFIT for the year.
PURE PROFIT!!! =)
What does this all mean for valuation?
Now I understand that the price has moved a lot since a week ago but lets look at today&rsquo s statistics:
This clearly highlights how terribly undervalued UG Healthcare is! Keep in mind, there isn&rsquo t much uncertainty in terms of how much this profit is as we can already attest that orders are all FULLY BOOKED A YEAR IN ADVANCE!!!
We aren&rsquo t even comparing this to the current market P/E other glove counters are trading at! I don&rsquo t mean to bash other stocks but if you compare this to Rubberex and Comfort its absolutely insane in terms of the valuation those two are running at! Without their own OBM and distribution network there&rsquo s no way their valuations are justified. Not unless they seriously screw over their distributors and forcing them to accept significantly increased manufacturers price and not splitting the difference with their distributors. Remember, you can&rsquo t do business with a short-term view. All partnerships need to be created equal.
Sure you could argue that well, this is only relevant because of COVID and this does not last in perpetuity. COVID like it or not will be here for the next year or so and by the time we do a full rollout and get the human race COVID free it will be June 2021 at the earliest. Even then, the market has changed and we will expect increased usage of gloves. Sure we won&rsquo t have supernormal profits but we will continue to see an increase in glove usage by a significant amount.
Even assuming a more normalized net profit of around SGD 10m, we are still looking at a very cheap P/E multiple of 12.8x. At these prices, UG Healthcare is a no-brainer &ndash it has just managed to slip by unnoticed in the Catalyst market, and its only a matter of time before it will be noticed.
I hope this makes sense to you guys and the methodology as to how I came up with my valuation for UG. This, to be honest applies across the board for all glove companies, particularly for Supermax, Riverstone and UG, who have OBM manufacturing capabilities. It would also explain why the glove market is so hot!
Disclaimer &ndash I am personally invested in UG healthcare and these are my personal thoughts and views for recreational use. I have no insider knowledge
UG the Cheapest Glove Stock in Town &ndash PE 4??
A lot of people have been wondering why UG Healthcare is moving mountains for the past few days with assumptions that it is in line with all other small counter glove stocks in the KLSE. This could not be further from the truth. In fact, we could be looking at another SUPERMAX in the making. I understand that this has been thrown around a lot but I do not believe the other glove players such as Comfort or Rubberex is anywhere near the quality of UG.
For this post we will ignore the general headwinds that have impacted other glove companies as well (surge in demand to the point of max capacity, exchange rate, COGS). I will have another post to compare UG vs it&rsquo s peers in terms of valuation.
Potential earnings excluding one-off expenses
- Reduction in administrative expenses, salaries and acquisitions
To be prudent we can assume that a cost of about SGD10M will be incurred for this period which translates to an additional SGD 6m in profit due to reduced costs.
- One off maintenance and repairs (assume SGD 4M)
Altogether = increase in additional profits of SGD 10 (6+4)
OBM &ndash Unigloves (like SUPERMAX?)
UG has been focusing on building their own brand of Unigloves for the past 5 years which has resulted in a very subdued earnings of SGD 2-3million per year despite recording an ever increasing revenue amount (an increase of 100% since 2015). Building out your own distribution network is not an easy task and it is a long-term play. SGD 16m recorded last year just in admin expenses, salary and acquisitions is the kind of commitment it takes and the market has obviously not rewarded management, given its poor net EPS. Very similar to Supermax it often traded at a discount compared to it&rsquo s peers who just did pure OEM.
I believe this fact is often overlooked when assuming that UG is just another glove company. If you take a look at their annual report, they mention UNIGLOVES 84 times vs OEM just once. It shows you the kind of commitment they have towards building out their own brand. While I have not been able to find the exact proportion that UG does OBM vs OEM, I feel that it is safe to assume that most of its sales can be translated to OBM at this point in time. Let&rsquo s assume 70% to be safe.
In this market UG is able to absorb THE ENTIRE markup of the increased ASP (average selling price) will result in SUPERNORMAL PROFITS. We should be able to see a quarterly report very similar to the one produced by Supermax! These guys will be holding contracts with themselves allowing them to increase prices significantly faster than companies like Kossan who only managed to increase it&rsquo s ASP by 1.4%. Holding the entire distribution chain will result in a faster increase in ASP having the margins all to themselves!
Increase in ASP &ndash What does that mean for UG?
What does an increase in ASP translate to for UG? Right now from our understanding, ASP has increased by 45%. An OEM distributor will have to share that increase in ASP with its distributor to be fair. However, OBM distributors do not need to share this and again get to have the whole margin to themselves.
Lets translate this to simple math. We can use the quarter ending March 2019 as an example where the price of gloves are still normalized and we even discount the increase in improved efficiency from their recent upgrades.
Lets take SGD 23.7m in revenue x with an increase in ASP
What happens to margins when there is an increase in ASP? Revenue goes up. But everything else REMAINS THE SAME. I need to repeat this everything else REMAINS THE SAME. It&rsquo s like when you sell a bowl of noodles for RM 10, and decide the next day because my noodles are so popular im going to increase it to RM 14.50. I then collect an additional RM4.50 to my profit line. It doesn&rsquo t translate to an increase in COGS but rather an increase straight down to the bottom line of an increase in RM4.50!
I feel like the market is horribly discounting this fact at the moment. Let&rsquo s assume some leakages along the way and that UG does not enjoy the full 45% increase in ASP. We can take an increase of 30% in ASP and we still get an increase of (SGD 23.7m*0.3)* 4 quarters = SGD 28.4M (we can be generous and neglect any increase in capacity due to higher utilitzation)
That&rsquo s an additional SGD 28.4M in PURE PROFIT for the year.
PURE PROFIT!!! =)
What does this all mean for valuation?
Now I understand that the price has moved a lot since a week ago but lets look at today&rsquo s statistics:
- Closing price: SGD 0.69
- Market cap: SGD 128.4m
- Enterprise value: SGD166.3m
- Yearly net profit estimation: Additional profits of 28.44M + 10M (saved expenses) + 2m (previous years profits) = SGD 40.4m
This clearly highlights how terribly undervalued UG Healthcare is! Keep in mind, there isn&rsquo t much uncertainty in terms of how much this profit is as we can already attest that orders are all FULLY BOOKED A YEAR IN ADVANCE!!!
We aren&rsquo t even comparing this to the current market P/E other glove counters are trading at! I don&rsquo t mean to bash other stocks but if you compare this to Rubberex and Comfort its absolutely insane in terms of the valuation those two are running at! Without their own OBM and distribution network there&rsquo s no way their valuations are justified. Not unless they seriously screw over their distributors and forcing them to accept significantly increased manufacturers price and not splitting the difference with their distributors. Remember, you can&rsquo t do business with a short-term view. All partnerships need to be created equal.
Sure you could argue that well, this is only relevant because of COVID and this does not last in perpetuity. COVID like it or not will be here for the next year or so and by the time we do a full rollout and get the human race COVID free it will be June 2021 at the earliest. Even then, the market has changed and we will expect increased usage of gloves. Sure we won&rsquo t have supernormal profits but we will continue to see an increase in glove usage by a significant amount.
Even assuming a more normalized net profit of around SGD 10m, we are still looking at a very cheap P/E multiple of 12.8x. At these prices, UG Healthcare is a no-brainer &ndash it has just managed to slip by unnoticed in the Catalyst market, and its only a matter of time before it will be noticed.
I hope this makes sense to you guys and the methodology as to how I came up with my valuation for UG. This, to be honest applies across the board for all glove companies, particularly for Supermax, Riverstone and UG, who have OBM manufacturing capabilities. It would also explain why the glove market is so hot!
Disclaimer &ndash I am personally invested in UG healthcare and these are my personal thoughts and views for recreational use. I have no insider knowledge
Tomorrow w5?
Master yuan .. good w4
any one attending the AGM moro can help to share the important msg?
i got to work and unable to attend, appreciate to you all and wish all of us holding the riverstone can huat and laugh all the way to the bank
i got to work and unable to attend, appreciate to you all and wish all of us holding the riverstone can huat and laugh all the way to the bank