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I wouldn' t have dumped it if I wanted this stock. 

' There are plenty of other ways to make money in a bear market. 

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 13:21) Posted: I think you wanted to buy but below 40, right? Trade with awareness and DYODD tpohwashere      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 12:52) Posted: There' s a big difference in company that is still run and owned by founders.   The good thing is that they are fully committed to the success of the company but not as inclined to boost share prices. In large companies where the management team are employees (which is probably the majority of companies), there is a big incentive to boost share prices (SBB, investor relationship, etc).   Frankly, it is a conflict of interest as the management team' s compensation is often tied to share prices through options, etc.   This is not the case for FH.   I once posted that Ren sees FH as his personal piggy bank and rest of shareholders as squatters.   Many disagreed even though it is this behavior that resulted in YZJSB being underpriced for decades

 

I think you wanted to buy but below 40, right?


Trade with awareness and DYODD

tpohwashere      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 12:52) Posted: There' s a big difference in company that is still run and owned by founders.   The good thing is that they are fully committed to the success of the company but not as inclined to boost share prices. In large companies where the management team are employees (which is probably the majority of companies), there is a big incentive to boost share prices (SBB, investor relationship, etc).   Frankly, it is a conflict of interest as the management team' s compensation is often tied to share prices through options, etc.   This is not the case for FH.   I once posted that Ren sees FH as his personal piggy bank and rest of shareholders as squatters.   Many disagreed even though it is this behavior that resulted in YZJSB being underpriced for decades. emailpeter      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 12:27) Posted: I share your same sentiment (both +ve and -ve). Inspite of all the eternal optimist here (backed with figures and fundamentals), I am losing some faith in this stock. Added the lopsided opinions only allowed to be absorbed here. And even the TA' s here are beginning to sound more logical.   I' m been vested for 4 yrs, with gradual accum at every level. Now hold 600 lots of FH. 345k shares bought back from the overseas SH sale, and accum another 255k shares. Degree of vestedness, I let you guys decide. So far, we wear a downside greater than its highest at 68c (midpoint about 53c), let alone any sky targets of 108c. Even a red/black roulette bet has a better odd....   As I see it, FH has been ravaged by SS' s and BB' s who are unloading. To me, these are normal and understandable events. What seems glaringly missing in this " stadium of big poker players" is the BB fryers. The SS syndicates are aplenty and strong, but why aren' t there any fryup syndicates ? Akin to Peter Lim, he made a killing on Wilmar. While he did SS the share to base, he also did his share of fryups to bring price up. He didn' t act alone, either as syndicate team, or other teams latched on. Why are there no subscribers to the fryups given the fundamentals (perceived anyway) are in such disparity ? I believe the answers to this has been covered by the " doomsayers" here....prob just chosen to be ignored....   Ren and gang do not care much about the share price. Why ought they ? They prob only see it 1x per month. We' d be darn worried if they were full time messing w stock playing against us, rather than growing the company well. A good steady chinaman who amases 9 years of accum profits, who further makes more from it thru FH. Owns 30% (ungeared fruits) but controls 100% fully at his discretion. He feels he created and owns it all. The only reason he will pay good divs is to compensate his 10% staff pool, and keep us investors from (barely) running away.... If he gets fedup with the lack of support (they are obviously trying to address this), he might even work to benefit himself more, be it against our goals....   My opinion only, no malice or hurt intended, no ulterior motive other than seeking constructive answers, be it good or bad....

 

Why you bother about YZJFH since you're not holding any shares?
This one daily shortselling and management don't even bother to take action. Sometimes ppl start to wonder why?



Trade with manipulators and DYODD

tpohwashere      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 12:26) Posted: Alamak ... the market does not revolve around short sellers. There are many reasons why a stock goes up or down including negative sentiments about the economy.  SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 11:18) Posted: Shortsellers hit road block again? Trade with BBs aka shortsellers and DYODD

 

There' s a big difference in company that is still run and owned by founders.   The good thing is that they are fully committed to the success of the company but not as inclined to boost share prices.

In large companies where the management team are employees (which is probably the majority of companies), there is a big incentive to boost share prices (SBB, investor relationship, etc).   Frankly, it is a conflict of interest as the management team' s compensation is often tied to share prices through options, etc.  

This is not the case for FH.   I once posted that Ren sees FH as his personal piggy bank and rest of shareholders as squatters.   Many disagreed even though it is this behavior that resulted in YZJSB being underpriced for decades.

emailpeter      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 12:27) Posted: I share your same sentiment (both +ve and -ve). Inspite of all the eternal optimist here (backed with figures and fundamentals), I am losing some faith in this stock. Added the lopsided opinions only allowed to be absorbed here. And even the TA' s here are beginning to sound more logical.   I' m been vested for 4 yrs, with gradual accum at every level. Now hold 600 lots of FH. 345k shares bought back from the overseas SH sale, and accum another 255k shares. Degree of vestedness, I let you guys decide. So far, we wear a downside greater than its highest at 68c (midpoint about 53c), let alone any sky targets of 108c. Even a red/black roulette bet has a better odd....   As I see it, FH has been ravaged by SS' s and BB' s who are unloading. To me, these are normal and understandable events. What seems glaringly missing in this " stadium of big poker players" is the BB fryers. The SS syndicates are aplenty and strong, but why aren' t there any fryup syndicates ? Akin to Peter Lim, he made a killing on Wilmar. While he did SS the share to base, he also did his share of fryups to bring price up. He didn' t act alone, either as syndicate team, or other teams latched on. Why are there no subscribers to the fryups given the fundamentals (perceived anyway) are in such disparity ? I believe the answers to this has been covered by the " doomsayers" here....prob just chosen to be ignored....   Ren and gang do not care much about the share price. Why ought they ? They prob only see it 1x per month. We' d be darn worried if they were full time messing w stock playing against us, rather than growing the company well. A good steady chinaman who amases 9 years of accum profits, who further makes more from it thru FH. Owns 30% (ungeared fruits) but controls 100% fully at his discretion. He feels he created and owns it all. The only reason he will pay good divs is to compensate his 10% staff pool, and keep us investors from (barely) running away.... If he gets fedup with the lack of support (they are obviously trying to address this), he might even work to benefit himself more, be it against our goals....   My opinion only, no malice or hurt intended, no ulterior motive other than seeking constructive answers, be it good or bad.... pasttime      ( Date: 04-Jul-2022 22:55) Posted: i also  think that this yzjfh is a potential multi bagger. what discount to asset is right depends on what is the asset and what the asset is producing or will produced. like a $1.08 or more cash i will say maybe 80% of it as why will i want to put mu=y money into cash in someone pocket. but then there is a gain so 30% discount.  real estate will need more discount as they not so liquid. but if they said cash and going to put into high growth of 18% or more a year then there amy not be any discount but premium to asset. so more important on what the asset will produced. now is a bit uncertain as no financial report, no results or any major return. only invest . so far it is some picture being shown of what they want to do, done what they said they want to do. so far so good can walk the talk. the real run in price will come when the walk produce return. expect first test aug. some movement. real up will be as they annouce good investment with return or that return can be estimated. dyodd

 

The price of YZJ Finance Holdings has been holding around the tight range of 0.40 to 0.41 for the past week and it seems like it is due for rebound soon or later this week

 

Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K)
0.405 8,303 0.405 365.2
0.400 16,119.3 0.410 4,022.9
0.395 18,840.1 0.415 6,142.2
0.390 12,699.6 0.420 7,242.2
0.385 6,321 0.425 8,390.5
0.380 5,484.8 0.430 6,763.1
0.375 3,560.7 0.435 6,053.9
0.370 783.2 0.440 5,515.2
0.365 194.6 0.445 2,930.4
0.360 319.9 0.450 2,532.7



Trade with awareness and DYODD

 

pasttime      ( Date: 04-Jul-2022 22:55) Posted: i also  think that this yzjfh is a potential multi bagger. what discount to asset is right depends on what is the asset and what the asset is producing or will produced. like a $1.08 or more cash i will say maybe 80% of it as why will i want to put mu=y money into cash in someone pocket. but then there is a gain so 30% discount.  real estate will need more discount as they not so liquid. but if they said cash and going to put into high growth of 18% or more a year then there amy not be any discount but premium to asset. so more important on what the asset will produced. now is a bit uncertain as no financial report, no results or any major return. only invest . so far it is some picture being shown of what they want to do, done what they said they want to do. so far so good can walk the talk. the real run in price will come when the walk produce return. expect first test aug. some movement. real up will be as they annouce good investment with return or that return can be estimated. dyodd

 

Alamak ... the market does not revolve around short sellers.

There are many reasons why a stock goes up or down including negative sentiments about the economy. 

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 11:18) Posted: Shortsellers hit road block again? Trade with BBs aka shortsellers and DYODD

 

Shortsellers hit road block again?


Trade with BBs aka shortsellers and DYODD

 

Collect at 0.405 - 0.41. YZJ Fin Hld has hit the bottom at this range, the only way is up up and away

 

Doesn't matter since you're not buying.


Trade with awareness and DYODD

tpohwashere      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 09:28) Posted: Over 21 sessions of decline and seriously oversold.  Should bounce.  SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 08:36) Posted: Bottom? Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K) 0.410 5,906.4 0.410 1,889.8 0.405 9,715.9 0.415 4,194.7 0.400 13,319.2 0.420 7,129.1 0.395 17,653.7 0.425 6,004.2 0.390 11,474.7 0.430 5,994.9 Trade with awareness and DYODD

 

Shortselling resumes?



Trade with Angmoh and DYODD

 

Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K)
0.405 5,797.9 0.410 4,921.5
0.400 15,451.2 0.415 7,755.4
0.395 17,806 0.420 9,745.8
0.390 11,661.5 0.425 6,485.8
0.385 5,695.7 0.430 6,243
0.380 4,989.1 0.435 6,084
0.375 3,545.7 0.440 5,495
0.370 778.2 0.445 2,920.5
0.365 194.6 0.450 2,532.8

Trade with caution no contra buy and DYODD

 

Over 21 sessions of decline and seriously oversold. 

Should bounce. 

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 05-Jul-2022 08:36) Posted: Bottom? Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K) 0.410 5,906.4 0.410 1,889.8 0.405 9,715.9 0.415 4,194.7 0.400 13,319.2 0.420 7,129.1 0.395 17,653.7 0.425 6,004.2 0.390 11,474.7 0.430 5,994.9 Trade with awareness and DYODD

 

with the old hand track records he is more likely to deliver. still think range 39 to 61. risk reward favour upside. current market is quite with reducing overall market trade vol. the trade volume less shorts has fall below 10m again.  of opinion that can buy a bit at this price put aside and wait for good luck.
dyodd

 

Bottom?

Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K)
0.410 5,906.4 0.410 1,889.8
0.405 9,715.9 0.415 4,194.7
0.400 13,319.2 0.420 7,129.1
0.395 17,653.7 0.425 6,004.2
0.390 11,474.7 0.430 5,994.9


Trade with awareness and DYODD

 

The real challenge is where management can deploy capital effectively to outperform the market and reward shareholders sustainably. Going into private markets (such as private equity, among some of the other investments that they' d introduced in the prospectus) would insulate to a certain extent but it is equally difficult for any asset managers to find yield-accretive assets while the listco is consistently generating > 8% yield. There is the impact on DCF in an inflationary environment, notwithstanding a marginal carry on trades with rising rates. They could potentially do well by rotating into fixed income and progressively take positions in equities but its a very tough market for active fund management. It would take couple quarters of financial reporting before they win market' s confidence. 

Current price movements seem to suggest a floor around previous low of 39c but let' s see if that holds. Good luck to all vested.

 

i also  think that this yzjfh is a potential multi bagger.
what discount to asset is right depends on what is the asset and what the asset is producing or will produced.
like a $1.08 or more cash i will say maybe 80% of it as why will i want to put mu=y money into cash in someone pocket. but then there is a gain so 30% discount.  real estate will need more discount as they not so liquid.
but if they said cash and going to put into high growth of 18% or more a year then there amy not be any discount but premium to asset.
so more important on what the asset will produced. now is a bit uncertain as no financial report, no results or any major return. only invest . so far it is some picture being shown of what they want to do, done what they said they want to do. so far so good can walk the talk. the real run in price will come when the walk produce return. expect first test aug. some movement. real up will be as they annouce good investment with return or that return can be estimated.
dyodd
 

 

Closing 415.
Seems like shortsellers hit a road block.


Trade with expectation and DYODD

 

No. It has too many unknown risks. 

SAVIORFOREVER      ( Date: 04-Jul-2022 14:38) Posted: Are you buying 41? Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K) 0.410 4,642.2 0.415 5,310.5 0.405 9,551.3 0.420 9,577.3 0.400 14,834.6 0.425 6,687.6 0.395 18,457 0.430 6,314.8 0.390 12,176.2 0.435 6,475.6 Trade with awareness and DYODD tpohwashere      ( Date: 04-Jul-2022 12:22) Posted: At 0.4 P/B, it is underpriced as norm should be around 0.65. We are in a bear market and situation will get worse all the way into 2023.   FH is still a big unknown and hence, the selloff as investors will keep stocks that they view to be established and proven track record. For all the narratives that it has connections to potential customers in China, etc, ... it still has not transitioned from what is an inhouse capability managing its own funds to become a asset and fund management company managing " other people' s money" .   It is like saying you can take your inhouse IT support, list it, and it suddenly becomes an IT outsourcing company.   Running a profitable business and running an inhouse operation is very different. A base case to support it' s share price will only be known when FH' s financial result as a company is published.   Until then, it is all speculation and frankly, this uncertainty works against it especially in a bear market