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Worst Stock Ever?? INCREDIBLE??
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tedlim
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22-Jul-2022 15:13
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Looks like another Sinjia Land....aviod for me.. | ||||
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Joelton
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22-Jul-2022 14:54
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Incredible Holdings responds to Sias criticism, says it has engaged with Sias
 
THE board of directors of Catalist-listed Incredible Holdings on Thursday (Jul 21) responded to criticism from the Securities Investors Association (Singapore) (Sias). 
 
In a bourse filing, the company said it wished to address certain &ldquo insinuations&rdquo made against it by Sias in a commentary written by Sias chief executive David Gerald. 
 
In the article, Gerald noted that Sias had sent a letter with questions to Incredible Holdings before its last annual general meeting to raise concerns about   the independent directors&rsquo oversight of management, the safeguarding of shareholders&rsquo interests, and the role of the sponsor. Gerald said the company chose not to respond to these concerns. 
 
In its clarification filing, Incredible Holdings claimed it replied to all enquiries from Sias on the evening of Jun 23 via an email to Gerald. The company said &ldquo multiple parties&rdquo were included in the email response and could &ldquo bear witness&rdquo to their reply. 
 
The company also noted that Eric Lim, head of corporate governance and investor rights at Sias, had replied to the said email on Jun 27, thanking the company for answering the questions from Sias. 
 
&ldquo This shows your board and management&rsquo s willingness to be accountable and practise good corporate governance,&rdquo Lim had reportedly also said.
 
In his article, Gerald also flagged that Incredible Holdings had paid S$1.1 million for HB 2021 &ndash a company with a shop in Denmark &mdash but that the fair value of net identifiable assets of HB 2021 stood only at S$8,600.
 
To this, Incredible Holdings said the consideration of S$1.1 million was arrived at based not only the registered capital of S$8,600, but also &ldquo good quality furnishings and fittings armed with bullet-proof display cabinets and drawers as well as (an) advanced security system&rdquo .
 
Incredible Holdings argued that based on its internal cost estimates and assessment, it would have to fork out &ldquo a few million&rdquo Danish krones to set up a store with the same security standard and quality.
 
Gerald also noted in the article that Incredible Holdings&rsquo annual report had contained a qualified opinion from its auditors.
 
Incredible Holdings&rsquo s response was that although the external auditors were unable to obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence on the business rationale for the group&rsquo s acquisition of HB 2021, the company had provided all supporting documents to the auditors during the audit and upon request.
 
The company added that its audit committee, having reviewed both the management&rsquo s and the external auditor&rsquo s views on the acquisition, concurred with management on the responses and explanations relating to the business rationale, the consideration paid for the acquisition, as well as the subsequent impairment. 
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tedlim
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18-Jul-2022 19:28
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Regulators can do more about governance lapses at Incredible Holdings and Watches.com WHEN companies raise the salaries of senior management in the face of widening losses and questions about their business deals &mdash from both external auditors and regulators &mdash are shareholders helpless? And to what extent should regulators intervene? Consider the recent cases of Catalist-listed Incredible Holdings : RDR 0% and Watches.com : WVJ 0%, both of which on Jun 27 were served notices of compliance (NOCs) by the Singapore Exchange Regulation (SGX RegCo) over a series of transactions involving joint investments and cross-shareholdings. Both companies share a common executive director, Christian Kwok-Leun Yau Heilesen, and the following board members: Jacob Leung, Stanley Leung and Zhou Jia Lin. Both companies also have substantially similar members in their audit and nominating committees. In October 2021, Incredible entered into an agreement with Heilesen to acquire 42 per cent of a company, Golden Ultra, for S$14.6 million. Prior to this, Watches.com had also entered into an agreement with Heilesen to acquire 55 per cent of Golden Ultra for S$14.4 million. The consideration was an issuance of promissory notes by both companies to Heilesen, who would hold the remaining 3 per cent interest in Golden Ultra. The rationale for these transactions is unclear. SGX RegCo has queried both companies many times over the past year. It has also directed the audit committees of Incredible and Watches.com to appoint a suitable joint independent reviewer to review all corporate actions and fund-raising exercises announced by both listed companies in the past year. The reviewer will assess whether these transactions and corporate actions were entered into on normal commercial terms and whether they are prejudicial to the interests of the companies and their minority shareholders. Incredible, whose business includes trading of luxury watches, said in its 2021 annual report that it had, in May that year, &ldquo entered the luxury goods trading business in the European market&rdquo . The company had paid S$1.1 million for HB 2021 &mdash a company with a shop in Denmark. The fair value of net identifiable assets of HB 2021 was only S$8,600, which meant that goodwill paid was almost the full S$1.1 million. The company wrote off the entire goodwill amount in the same financial year. In the same annual report, the independent auditors issued a qualified opinion: &ldquo Based on the responses and explanations provided relating to the acquisition of HB 2021, we were unable to obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence on the business rationale for the group&rsquo s acquisition of HB 2021.&rdquo Incredible&rsquo s losses for the year almost doubled to S$6.32 million, while net assets decreased 24 per cent to S$9.13 million. Yet, executive director Heilesen was paid a bonus of S$1 million on top of his salary of S$300,000 and housing allowance of S$255,000. The remuneration committee said this was fair, given his efforts and contributions to the commercial aspects of the company for the expansion as well as diversification of its business. But this goes against the well-established basic principle that remuneration must be commensurate with performance. There is basis for shareholders to ask if members of the committee and board have properly exercised their duties as directors in approving such remuneration. There is more, but the above should be sufficient to raise several red flags in the corporate governance of both companies. The Securities Investors Association (Singapore) sent a letter with questions to the company before its last annual general meeting to raise concerns in relation to the independent directors&rsquo oversight of management, the safeguarding of shareholders' interests, and the role of the sponsor. Unfortunately, the company chose not to respond to these concerns. Apart from issuing Notices of Compliance to both companies to appoint an independent reviewer, can SGX RegCo do more? There is growing public opinion that SGX Regco should ratchet up, perhaps by suspending trading of both stocks until the independent reviews have been completed. Before allowing the shares to resume trading, it must be ascertained that a fair and orderly market really exists for both counters. The results of independent reviews will provide more clarity on the state of governance of the companies in question, and an indicative basis for whether there is a need for further investigations and enforcement actions. A suspension would also send a strong message that while the regulatory regime is disclosure-based, regulators will not hesitate to intervene when the need arises. The transition of the local stock market from a merit-based regulatory regime to one that is based on disclosure began in 2000, and the authorities here have since taken great pains to emphasise that their vision is for regulation to be largely market-driven. Official intervention would only be undertaken in a limited number of extreme instances. This &ldquo regulatory-light&rdquo approach sounds good in theory &ndash after all, who better to enforce discipline than the market itself? Good, well-run companies would then be rewarded by superior share price performance while poorly-run, opaque ones would see their shares underperform. Market forces act as an incentive, but companies are not overly burdened with numerous onerous rules. There are, however, limits to how well this works in practice. Incredible and Watches.com were last traded at S$0.002 and S$0.008 respectively. They have been penalised by the market, to the detriment of shareholders. |
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happyharvest
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16-Jun-2022 18:50
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0.001 tmr? | ||||
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happyharvest
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29-May-2022 18:42
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what incredible do? | ||||
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bernardc
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27-May-2022 10:40
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Boom or bust....
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SmallSmall
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27-May-2022 09:16
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Nobody wants to get free Watches.com free warrants (ex price @ $0.0099)  from Incredible distribtuion in specie ah? | ||||
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MakeChanges
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27-May-2022 08:33
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didn' t manage to catch a good price....... | ||||
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mrwise
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27-May-2022 08:28
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Good online business model on luxury n unique watches at affordable prices. Dont understimate the profit!
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eric998
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27-May-2022 08:11
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Wow, if retailers push the share price up SSHs can u load and make millions. Poor retailers going to be trapped again.
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27-May-2022 08:10
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27-May-2022 07:57
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anything to do with incredible?
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superstartup
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26-May-2022 14:38
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Company placement exercise. Mainly to own people. Massive all in potential 35B more shares coming on board. (Yes. Billion, not Million) and at $0.0011 only. And note no real extra $ raised from the placement exercise. As the so-called $ raised is used to " pay-back" the placees. Please do your own DD.  
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26-May-2022 14:26
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From 3 to 5 that&rsquo s 66.6% gain!   I don&rsquo t think it will come up so fast. People who bought at 2 selling at 3 now.
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superstartup
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26-May-2022 14:22
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For sharing. Just don' t be the last one holding.   Monday, May 5, 2014Story behind penny stock crashTHIS week& rsquo s crash of four small-cap stocks which dented sentiment across the local bourse has the market abuzz about a foreign market personality by the name of Christian Kwok-Leun Yau Heilesen (pic). Kwok, the founder of Hong Kong-based mobile content developer Funmobile Holdings Ltd, is no stranger to the local market. Hailing from Copenhagen, the 30-year-old Dane has been emerging as a substantial shareholder in various small, mostly loss-making tech firms listed on Bursa Malaysia from as far back as 2011. Coincidentally, the stock prices of these companies always sky-rocketed after his emergence and fell back flat after he sold out, sometimes in just a matter of weeks. This time round, the four stocks which crashed were Visdynamics Holdings Bhd, MNC Wireless Bhd, Solution Engineering Holdings Bhd and Industronics Bhd. On Monday, all four, which had been on a general uptrend for some time, crashed, with MNC losing the most value in terms of percentage, falling by 60%. Now, Kwok is again being bandied about by stock dealers as the common person involved in all four stocks. Apparently, the four companies each had a block of shares that had been rolled over a few times with & ldquo no real money& rdquo coming in to pick up the blocks. Dealers say the bubble finally burst after one stockbroking house, among several, stopped the line of credit. As far as links between the firms go, Solution Engineering is 10.8% owned by Industronics, an electronics company of which Kwok was the chairman from April 2013 to June 2013. While the market is still trying to connect the dots, Kwok has openly come out to say that he had divested his investments in Malaysia several months ago. & ldquo I have not been to Malaysia for several months now ... I sold all my investments several months ago to investors from Macau,& rdquo Kwok told StarBiz when contacted on Tuesday. Meanwhile, the buzz among those in the market does not stop here. In a seemingly related event which took place last year, a CEO of a public-listed firm had a major falling out with his broker. & ldquo This event had resulted in investigations being made and basically opened a can of worms which led to the gradual departure of a few active traders from the country,& rdquo one seasoned dealer reveals. Interestingly, Kwok& rsquo s departure from Malaysia was not well-publicised although his emergence a few years back in the local market was accompanied by much fanfare. The broker reveals that this week& rsquo s crash of these four stocks & ndash which were all in the red as at yesterday& rsquo s close except for Solution Engineering which ended flat & ndash had resulted in some RM40mil in losses for remisiers from brokerages across the country, Kwok first emerged in Malaysia in 2011 with Raymond Yip Wai Man, a Hong Kong citizen, and reportedly bought a 15% stake in DVM Technology Bhd. They had then asked for an EGM to remove several directors from the company. In the end, what was supposed to be a boardroom tussle which got some investors excited, never happened. Instead Kwok and Yip sold out of DVM, less than three weeks after they had bought in. Not long after that, DVM& rsquo s share price plunged to 13.5 sen after reaching 25 sen earlier, its highest in five years. A couple of months after that, Kwok emerged in another local IT firm, GPRO Technologies Bhd, where the stock price surged after his emergence. He was appointed executive chairman of the company but has since ceased to be a substantial shareholder. In March 2012, Kwok surfaced in Cybertowers Bhd, once again sending the firm& rsquo s share price flying high and then hitting limit-down in a relatively short span of time. Kwok sold his entire 8.3 million share block in Cybertowers less than five months after he emerged as a substantial shareholder in the company which is involved in automated vehicle locating systems. More legs for small-caps Meanwhile, the crash of the four stocks has evidently affected sentiment on penny stocks on Bursa Malaysia although experts feel that it is not time to be too concerned. Fundamentally, market experts agree that the FTSE Bursa Malaysia Small Cap Index, which tracks smaller companies, has become pricey at 11.5 times 2014 price earnings (PE), having run up for at least the past 18 months. Any profit-taking at the moment is healthy, they say. & ldquo The recent crash is probably an isolated case but sends a signal that traders should be cautious,& rdquo says a senior market analyst. The index has lost some 400 points from its all-time high of 17,867 points reached last Tuesday, due to this week& rsquo s selldown. While the pause in the rally may continue for a while buoyed by the & ldquo sell in May& rdquo factor and the World Cup in June, it still has legs and should continue, moving on, some analysts predict. & ldquo Going forward, we may see the continuity of & ldquo a tale of two markets& rsquo whereby large-cap stocks will continue to trade sideways with limited upside, while small- and mid-cap stocks could extend their rally after May and June,& rdquo JF Apex Securities tells clients. The benchmark FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI which tracks the 30 largest firms on Bursa Malaysia remains one of the indexes with the richest valuations in the region, trading at more than 16 times 2014 PE. & ldquo We advise investors to be selective on small-cap stocks by looking at fundamentally-sound companies.& rdquo JF Apex adds. |
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SmallSmall
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26-May-2022 14:02
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Can see $0.005? You never know | ||||
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SmallSmall
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26-May-2022 13:44
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Lai liao.... $0.003 cleared | ||||
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SmallSmall
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26-May-2022 12:54
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If you study the multiple deals closely, you will notice that in the midst of all the placements / rights issue/ consolidation, distribution in specie by both Watches.com and Incredible, the end result would be Incredible holding a big chunk of Watches.com (via ther Cb and free warrants) whiles the big placement by Incredible to Mission Well will cement Mission Well controlling interest in Incredible Holdings. So I think the undervalued stock would be Incredible if Watches.com takes off. Not likely for Mission Well to dump Incredible as it is trying to control both companies via Incredible. Catch it while it is low |
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SmallSmall
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26-May-2022 11:55
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Free ride on Watches.com upticks coming........buyers buidling up at $0.002 | ||||
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SmallSmall
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26-May-2022 11:34
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My mistake. It is indeed $0.0099. I multipy by 5 by mistake. My apologies. Incredible shareholders will get 1 for 1 free Watches.com warrant with ex price $0.0099
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