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mrwise Supreme	07-Sep-2021 16:09        mrwise About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	YES!!  Oceanus chionging up soon!!!!    Senior8      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 14:15) Posted: Friends, ignore them, maybe having mental problem and singing the same old song day in day out. Do not provoke siow lang, dont reply them, let them talk to themselves. Must have confidence in our investment.  Cheers!!!
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Senior8 Member	07-Sep-2021 14:15        Senior8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Friends, ignore them, maybe having mental problem and singing the same old song day in day out. Do not provoke siow lang, dont reply them, let them talk to themselves. Must have confidence in our investment.  Cheers!!!
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kiattttt Veteran	07-Sep-2021 13:58        kiattttt About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Other pennies continue to run while this only have 6M shares traded. 6M/24B! It is pathetic. So many supporters but wonder why no one buy up 0.035...? Starting to think  if these ppl are longist or trapist
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kiattttt Veteran	07-Sep-2021 13:52        kiattttt About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No problem. Good luck mrunwise (: mrwise      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 12:22) Posted: Yes, Kiattsai. Of cos, 1 to 2 month. Any problem with you?? kiattttt      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:02) Posted: Ok mrunwise. Maybe instead of saying soon soon soon all the time, why not contribute something but forecasting an actual timeline.
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dontbeconned Member	07-Sep-2021 12:58        dontbeconned About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Friends,  For small  investors , we should actively ferret out value stocks we  think the stock market is underestimating. For this, I sincerely  believe  and I had analsded that oceanus stock price movements   does   not correspond to the  company' s long-term fundamentals. Oceanus    offers us an opportunity to profit by buying stocks at discounted prices vis-a-vis future potential value.  FYI Warren Buffett is probably the best-known value investor today,   including Benjamin Graham (Buffett' s professor and mentor), David Dodd, Charlie Munger, Christopher Browne (another Graham student), and billionaire hedge-fund manager, Seth Klarman.   Don&rsquo t   be discouraged about the price movements of oceanus and what others commented. . . Just wait for Oceanus to exit watch list.  you will see ight  shining  brightly at the end of the tunnel.  At that time, a lot of investors will start to pay attention to this counter.  For now just stay cool.  It should not be a long  . Cheers
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mrwise Supreme	07-Sep-2021 12:22        mrwise About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, Kiattsai. Of cos, 1 to 2 month. Any problem with you?? kiattttt      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:02) Posted: Ok mrunwise. Maybe instead of saying soon soon soon all the time, why not contribute something but forecasting an actual timeline.  mrwise      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:51) Posted: You are a real joker!!! hahahah...
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Lightyear Veteran	07-Sep-2021 12:15        Lightyear About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	One think for sure. What you said on dip on exiting watch list will not come true. U just anyhow pluck a word. Ubtwo want to win. Let u win. Dun think we should reply anymore to entertain you two. We should just ignore your posts. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:47) Posted: I can see, like I said, you don' t have any approach to value this stock. You just close your eyes, rely solely on the growth stories, and wait it to come true. That' s totally fine. This is a public company, not VC backed startups. One cannot just sit there, wish dream come true without any fundamental analysis to judge its value. Even for growth stocks, there are systematic approach to value them. This is very dangerous. It will break the consolidation range. mondaybluesy      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:17) Posted: That' s because no one is trying to justify the high market cap., and also fundamentally why the bears and bulls can never agree. Bears point at these metrics & the current market cap. and conclude Oceanus is overvalued at its current share price.  Bulls point at the same metrics and see a growth trajectory, and conclude that Oceanus at the current share price will be a great bargain in a short few years. The  long investor does not invest in Oceanus based solely on past performance.  (If so, many of us here including me would not have enjoyed the share appreciation from S$0.006 to the current price!)  Instead, the long investor  invests based on  the potential of future growth, the credibility of the management, and the potential revenue streams of crucial partnerships (i.e. China Resource Global:  https://www.investingnote.com/posts/2310320).  It is a calculated pun that Oceanus will be worth a lot more in a few years than it is currently, and thus, investing even at this price as a result. The metrics you have listed have their place, of course.  But it should not be used to define all that a company is.  In the same way, we pay for our children to go to University despite them only having their A levels / poly results because we believe in their potential.  We don' t point at their current grades and ask them to justify why they are smart enough for Uni.  Life and investing involves faith and calculated risk taking.  Otherwise, you will be leaving good money on the table many times over in an overheated equities market. We have covered these points multiple times, AlaFun and Kiattt.  At this point, it is clear you do not subscribe to the views of the long investor above.  That is fine.  But it might be useful to also recognise others to may have a differing view from you
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kiattttt Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:49        kiattttt About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	hahahaha wise choice!! A lot of money can be made these few days. Never fall in love with any stocks! kvyang      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:43) Posted: LOL can't tahan this post everyday got ppl fight on the same topic. I am In and out @ 35 now switch to cement. This good counter but I just don't fall in love with penny stock, will buy again when BB come in. Hope all bro and sis Huat ah!
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AlaFun Member	07-Sep-2021 10:47        AlaFun About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I can see, like I said, you don' t have any approach to value this stock. You just close your eyes, rely solely on the growth stories, and wait it to come true. That' s totally fine. This is a public company, not VC backed startups. One cannot just sit there, wish dream come true without any fundamental analysis to judge its value. Even for growth stocks, there are systematic approach to value them. This is very dangerous. It will break the consolidation range. mondaybluesy      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:17) Posted: That' s because no one is trying to justify the high market cap., and also fundamentally why the bears and bulls can never agree. Bears point at these metrics & the current market cap. and conclude Oceanus is overvalued at its current share price.  Bulls point at the same metrics and see a growth trajectory, and conclude that Oceanus at the current share price will be a great bargain in a short few years. The  long investor does not invest in Oceanus based solely on past performance.  (If so, many of us here including me would not have enjoyed the share appreciation from S$0.006 to the current price!)  Instead, the long investor  invests based on  the potential of future growth, the credibility of the management, and the potential revenue streams of crucial partnerships (i.e. China Resource Global:  https://www.investingnote.com/posts/2310320).  It is a calculated pun that Oceanus will be worth a lot more in a few years than it is currently, and thus, investing even at this price as a result. The metrics you have listed have their place, of course.  But it should not be used to define all that a company is.  In the same way, we pay for our children to go to University despite them only having their A levels / poly results because we believe in their potential.  We don' t point at their current grades and ask them to justify why they are smart enough for Uni.  Life and investing involves faith and calculated risk taking.  Otherwise, you will be leaving good money on the table many times over in an overheated equities market. We have covered these points multiple times, AlaFun and Kiattt.  At this point, it is clear you do not subscribe to the views of the long investor above.  That is fine.  But it might be useful to also recognise others to may have a differing view from you. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me
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AwakenTide Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:47        AwakenTide About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I don' t judge an exponential growth stock by your approach, follow the 2030 food sustainability plan, and capability of strong management approach instead.That is undervalue for Oceanus with new beginning. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:22) Posted: Exactly, those bought above 4c should cut loss to avoid even losing more.  You are trapping new investors to buy in such overvalued stock, is that your intention? I am just discussing about the valuation approach, I am curious about this guy' s supernormal growth model, what is it to arrive at a conclusion that the stock is undervalued.  I am not shouting down the price with no reason, not like some of your folks who only talk up the price. AwakenTide      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:04) Posted: Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here.
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Wanderer_JCHP Senior	07-Sep-2021 10:44        Wanderer_JCHP About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	mondaybluesy      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:17) Posted: That' s because no one is trying to justify the high market cap., and also fundamentally why the bears and bulls can never agree. Bears point at these metrics & the current market cap. and conclude Oceanus is overvalued at its current share price.  Bulls point at the same metrics and see a growth trajectory, and conclude that Oceanus at the current share price will be a great bargain in a short few years. The  long investor does not invest in Oceanus based solely on past performance.  (If so, many of us here including me would not have enjoyed the share appreciation from S$0.006 to the current price!)  Instead, the long investor  invests based on  the potential of future growth, the credibility of the management, and the potential revenue streams of crucial partnerships (i.e. China Resource Global:  https://www.investingnote.com/posts/2310320).  It is a calculated pun that Oceanus will be worth a lot more in a few years than it is currently, and thus, investing even at this price as a result. The metrics you have listed have their place, of course.  But it should not be used to define all that a company is.  In the same way, we pay for our children to go to University despite them only having their A levels / poly results because we believe in their potential.  We don' t point at their current grades and ask them to justify why they are smart enough for Uni.  Life and investing involves faith and calculated risk taking.  Otherwise, you will be leaving good money on the table many times over in an overheated equities market. We have covered these points multiple times, AlaFun and Kiattt.  At this point, it is clear you do not subscribe to the views of the long investor above.  That is fine.  But it might be useful to also recognise others to may have a differing view from you. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me
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kvyang Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:43        kvyang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	LOL can't tahan this post everyday got ppl fight on the same topic. I am In and out @ 35 now switch to cement. This good counter but I just don't fall in love with penny stock, will buy again when BB come in. Hope all bro and sis Huat ah!
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ckmpd1 Supreme	07-Sep-2021 10:22        ckmpd1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	mondaybluesy      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:17) Posted: That' s because no one is trying to justify the high market cap., and also fundamentally why the bears and bulls can never agree. Bears point at these metrics & the current market cap. and conclude Oceanus is overvalued at its current share price.  Bulls point at the same metrics and see a growth trajectory, and conclude that Oceanus at the current share price will be a great bargain in a short few years. The  long investor does not invest in Oceanus based solely on past performance.  (If so, many of us here including me would not have enjoyed the share appreciation from S$0.006 to the current price!)  Instead, the long investor  invests based on  the potential of future growth, the credibility of the management, and the potential revenue streams of crucial partnerships (i.e. China Resource Global:  https://www.investingnote.com/posts/2310320).  It is a calculated pun that Oceanus will be worth a lot more in a few years than it is currently, and thus, investing even at this price as a result. The metrics you have listed have their place, of course.  But it should not be used to define all that a company is.  In the same way, we pay for our children to go to University despite them only having their A levels / poly results because we believe in their potential.  We don' t point at their current grades and ask them to justify why they are smart enough for Uni.  Life and investing involves faith and calculated risk taking.  Otherwise, you will be leaving good money on the table many times over in an overheated equities market. We have covered these points multiple times, AlaFun and Kiattt.  At this point, it is clear you do not subscribe to the views of the long investor above.  That is fine.  But it might be useful to also recognise others to may have a differing view from you. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me
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AlaFun Member	07-Sep-2021 10:22        AlaFun About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Exactly, those bought above 4c should cut loss to avoid even losing more.  You are trapping new investors to buy in such overvalued stock, is that your intention? I am just discussing about the valuation approach, I am curious about this guy' s supernormal growth model, what is it to arrive at a conclusion that the stock is undervalued.  I am not shouting down the price with no reason, not like some of your folks who only talk up the price. AwakenTide      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:04) Posted: Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me
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kiattttt Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:21        kiattttt About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Then my post isn' t for u because u belong to the ' only want to hear the good stuff' crowd' . bobby90      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:17) Posted: the correct thing for you to do is just to shut your crap..cut loss or not, none of your business..whoever wants to hold this so called time bomb, also none of your business..end of the day, its none of your business..you want less insult? shut it and mind your own business by riding your wadeva penny wave on other stocks..you are just a poor soul who wants attention from all this ya (:  kiattttt      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:09) Posted: Yes correct which is why the correct thing to do now is to cut loss and pick another counter. Can even ride on the penny wave right now instead of holding onto this timebom
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mondaybluesy Senior	07-Sep-2021 10:17        mondaybluesy About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That' s because no one is trying to justify the high market cap., and also fundamentally why the bears and bulls can never agree. Bears point at these metrics & the current market cap. and conclude Oceanus is overvalued at its current share price.  Bulls point at the same metrics and see a growth trajectory, and conclude that Oceanus at the current share price will be a great bargain in a short few years. The  long investor does not invest in Oceanus based solely on past performance.  (If so, many of us here including me would not have enjoyed the share appreciation from S$0.006 to the current price!)  Instead, the long investor  invests based on  the potential of future growth, the credibility of the management, and the potential revenue streams of crucial partnerships (i.e. China Resource Global:  https://www.investingnote.com/posts/2310320).  It is a calculated pun that Oceanus will be worth a lot more in a few years than it is currently, and thus, investing even at this price as a result. The metrics you have listed have their place, of course.  But it should not be used to define all that a company is.  In the same way, we pay for our children to go to University despite them only having their A levels / poly results because we believe in their potential.  We don' t point at their current grades and ask them to justify why they are smart enough for Uni.  Life and investing involves faith and calculated risk taking.  Otherwise, you will be leaving good money on the table many times over in an overheated equities market. We have covered these points multiple times, AlaFun and Kiattt.  At this point, it is clear you do not subscribe to the views of the long investor above.  That is fine.  But it might be useful to also recognise others to may have a differing view from you. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me. dontbeconned      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 06:54) Posted: Oceanus is a shares which had been experiencing accumulated losses over the past  years. Those   authors using NBV, PE , dividend model should disposed all their shares since there is no intrinsic value for this shares if you are not taking the exponential growth into your valuation model. The very fact that you are in this forum because you believe there is vale in this shares .A good analyst cannot value a share solely based on past performances, their growth potential must be taken into consideration. . Due to   the usage of wrong valuation model, many analysts had misled retail investors and led them to the grave.     In valuating oceanus share price we must use the supernormal growth model because oceanus     display unusually rapid growth for an extended period&mdash a year and   longer&mdash that   outpaces current growth in the overall economy. . Many of the most successful companies in history have enjoyed supernormal growth at some point in their development.  I do not wish to come up with a figure because I cannot estimate when and how fast  the competitors will enter the market to put oceanus growth to a normal rate and the prolong  convid 19 may add impetus to the growth rate. .  Having said that, oceanus share are definitely worth much more than the present value. It is advisable to take a look because of your low investment outlay if you have spare cash.   If you are holding the shares, don&rsquo t sell .
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bobby90 Senior	07-Sep-2021 10:17        bobby90 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	the correct thing for you to do is just to shut your crap..cut loss or not, none of your business..whoever wants to hold this so called time bomb, also none of your business..end of the day, its none of your business..you want less insult? shut it and mind your own business by riding your wadeva penny wave on other stocks..you are just a poor soul who wants attention from all this ya (:  kiattttt      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:09) Posted: Yes correct which is why the correct thing to do now is to cut loss and pick another counter. Can even ride on the penny wave right now instead of holding onto this timebomb AwakenTide      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:04) Posted: Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here.
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AwakenTide Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:12        AwakenTide About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hey ! You better wake up Oceanus has ride on the wave of Tsunami to exponential growth now since after changing of management and bsuiness model. You should have own some instead. Buy to accumulate like many gurus do now.  kiattttt      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:09) Posted: Yes correct which is why the correct thing to do now is to cut loss and pick another counter. Can even ride on the penny wave right now instead of holding onto this timebomb AwakenTide      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:04) Posted: Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here.
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kiattttt Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:09        kiattttt About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes correct which is why the correct thing to do now is to cut loss and pick another counter. Can even ride on the penny wave right now instead of holding onto this timebomb AwakenTide      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 10:04) Posted: Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me
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AwakenTide Veteran	07-Sep-2021 10:04        AwakenTide About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Same to you Alafun...this is for you too.  Don' t be such a pest !!! Please be considerate to those bought high even above 40c in the past. You haven' t own a single Oceanus shares but posing yourself like a malafide full of ill intention for your own benefit. Move on pls, and stop mentally challenge many gurus here. AlaFun      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 09:54) Posted: For god sake, put it simple, what approach you would use to value this company? Free cash flow? P/E? P/S? P/B? P/EV? P/EBIDTA? Sum of parts? Comparative transactions? Ok, taking into account growth, PEG? None of these above approach justifies its current high market cap. Don' t just close your eyes, just because it achieved 5x topline growth (still very thin margin, not driven by tech, operating loss), and say cheap to buy. Come on, what is your supernormal model exactly, convince me. dontbeconned      ( Date: 07-Sep-2021 06:54) Posted: Oceanus is a shares which had been experiencing accumulated losses over the past  years. Those   authors using NBV, PE , dividend model should disposed all their shares since there is no intrinsic value for this shares if you are not taking the exponential growth into your valuation model. The very fact that you are in this forum because you believe there is vale in this shares .A good analyst cannot value a share solely based on past performances, their growth potential must be taken into consideration. . Due to   the usage of wrong valuation model, many analysts had misled retail investors and led them to the grave.     In valuating oceanus share price we must use the supernormal growth model because oceanus     display unusually rapid growth for an extended period&mdash a year and   longer&mdash that   outpaces current growth in the overall economy. . Many of the most successful companies in history have enjoyed supernormal growth at some point in their development.  I do not wish to come up with a figure because I cannot estimate when and how fast  the competitors will enter the market to put oceanus growth to a normal rate and the prolong  convid 19 may add impetus to the growth rate. .  Having said that, oceanus share are definitely worth much more than the present value. It is advisable to take a look because of your low investment outlay if you have spare cash.   If you are holding the shares, don&rsquo t sell .
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