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ss2017.
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14-Dec-2022 21:19
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During three years lockdown , China protected her own citizens, save life , a higher form of human right in action. Western world labelled the action as against business, no personal freedom. Now China opens up, so they start to set restrictions for China, some say China open up spreads virus, irresponsible etc | ||||||||||||||||
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sgng123
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14-Dec-2022 21:00
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Now china basically give up containing COVID, it free for all to gana COVID. Medicines get snatched up and stock running low. Hong Kong next Jan quarantine free access to china mainland, maybe open for international traveller no quarantine in march. china realated stock would enjoy brief COVID easing rally as all market did when they open up. |
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pasttime
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14-Dec-2022 15:22
Yells: "gold silver are real money. not others iou." |
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share price =  free cash flow x (share price/free cash flow) the cash flow will cancel out. replace free cashflow in above equation with anything also true. like share price = bluff x (share price / bluff) equation also true. |
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GoldenPig
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14-Dec-2022 14:36
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Another article from The Smart Investor.
How Great Value is Being Created in the Stock Market TodayFree cash flow per share and the price-to-FCF ratio provide a framework to decipherwhat&rsquo s happening in our stock portfolio.
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If stocks are cheap today, why do they keep falling?  The S& P 500 hit a high of 4,818 points at the start of this year and has since sunk by almost 25 per cent over the past 10 months.  For investors who bought shares in 2021, there may be a tinge of regret at not selling at higher stock prices.  But here we are.  There may be many reasons why you want to sell.  But behind all these questions is a deep, unsaid fear when it comes to selling your stocks. WHAT IF you sell, and the stock goes up?  WHAT IF you don&rsquo t sell, and the stock goes down?  To solve this conundrum, we need to have a better understanding of what drives share prices.  The two main drivers of share price In my book, there are two main components that can cause the share price to increase or decrease: the free cash flow per share (FCF per share) and the price to FCF (P/FCF) ratio.  Multiply these two factors, and you get the share price.  This simple equation implies that the movement of both the FCF per share or the P/FCF ratio will have a direct impact on a company&rsquo s share price.  But that is where the similarities between the two factors end. Factor #1: The FCF per shareLet&rsquo s start with the first: the FCF per share. FCF is calculated by taking the company&rsquo s operating cash flow minus its capital expenditure. If we divide its trailing 12-months (TTM) FCF by the total number of shares on issue, you get the company&rsquo s FCF per share.    More importantly, the FCF per share is a figure that is within a company&rsquo s control. If the management team does a good job, they will bring in revenue, keep costs and capital expenditure in check &mdash then, the business will generate both operating and free cash flow, as a result.    Under a scenario where the FCF per share goes up while the P/FCF remains the same, the share price will increase by the same amount as the FCF per share.  The primary driver in this case is the FCF per share, a proxy for the management&rsquo s effort.      Factor #2: The P/FCF ratioThe P/FCF ratio, on the other hand, is a figure driven by the prevailing stock market sentiment.  Therefore, this ratio is not within the management&rsquo s control.    If the stock market is feeling optimistic, a higher ratio is rewarded to its shares.  Conversely, if sentiment turns sour, the stock market will bid down the ratio.  As such, under the scenario where the P/FCF goes down while the FCF per share remains the same, the share price will also decrease.    Unlike the first scenario, though, any gains or losses driven by P/FCF movements are less reliable, as market sentiments can turn on a whim.  Short-term stock price movementsThe equation above provides us with a framework to decipher what is happening to shares that we own.  In the short term, share price movements are usually influenced by the P/FCF ratio.    Take  Apple  (NASDAQ: AAPL), the manufacturer of the popular iPhone.  For the first nine months of its current fiscal year (9M&rsquo FY22), the Cupertino company saw its FCF rise to US$90.6 billion, up by over 19 per cent from around US$76 billion a year ago. In terms of FCF per share, it has risen from US$4.53 per share in 9M&rsquo FY21 to US$5.57 per share in 9M&rsquo FY22.    Yet, despite the growth in FCF per share, Apple shares have fallen by 23 per cent this year.  Clearly, the disparity between the iPhone maker&rsquo s business performance (represented by its FCF per share) and its share price performance is down to a shrinking P/FCF ratio.  There is a reason for this pessimism. To say today&rsquo s stock market sentiment is sour would be an understatement.  The optimism of economies and borders reopening has been overshadowed by the pessimism of rising inflation and higher interest rates.  Should the market sentiment brighten, this ratio could head higher. Yet, as we said earlier, hoping for a higher P/FCF ratio is akin to hoping that investors&rsquo mood changes for the better, which is an unreliable way to invest.    We need something more reliable to drive stock price returns. When the long view trumps the short viewTo be sure, we are not making light of the current economic situation.  Already, Apple is facing headwinds such as supply constraints, foreign currency translation losses due to a strong US dollar and the impact on its business in Russia. As investors, however, we have to separate between what&rsquo s temporary and what&rsquo s permanent.  Should we take these current challenges as permanent?  I don&rsquo t think so.  If history has taught us anything, it&rsquo s the business growth, represented by the FCF per share, that will be far more consequential compared to a change in market sentiment.  Let me explain.    When I bought shares of Apple in June 2010 at a split adjusted US$8.75 per share, the business had generated US$0.47 per share in FCF over its trailing 12 months.  The stock sported a P/FCF ratio of 18.7, as shown in the enclosed table. 
Fast forward to today, and shares have risen by 16 times to around US$140 per share. What&rsquo s interesting is the wide disparity between the key drivers behind the stock price increase.  Granted, my shares did benefit from an increase in the P/FCF ratio.  However, the contribution of the ratio is a mere 13 per cent over the past 12 years. The clear driver is Apple&rsquo s FCF per share that has ballooned from US$0.47 when I bought the shares to over US$6.60 today. Given the vast difference in contribution to Apple&rsquo s share price increase, what would you focus on?  The answer is obvious: the business, represented by Apple FCF per share.  Get Smart: The path to sustainable stock gains Buying with the hope of instant returns is a fool&rsquo s errand.  You&rsquo re essentially praying that the stock market will be so kind as to award your shares with a higher P/FCF multiple.  Hope is not a strategy.  On the other hand, building a business, as Apple has shown, takes time.  The iPhone maker did not deliver a 14-time increase in its FCF per share overnight. Instead, it was created over time.    Yes, patience is required.  Yes, it is not easy amid rising interest rates and higher inflation.  But if done right, the rewards can be breathtaking.  And that&rsquo s worth waiting for.  Note:  An earlier version of this article appeared in The Business Times. |
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GoldenPig
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14-Dec-2022 10:30
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It' s probably another boring day with SGX stocks. Can do some reading. Old article from The Smart Investor, but with a few good principles condensed in it.   How to Play with Fire in a Volatile MarketWorking out the intrinsic value of a stock will enable you to invest with confidence.
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Some of us might be fortunate enough to get to see the annual Hindu fire walking festival this month. I remember watching a Theemithi ritual a few years ago and thinking to myself that it was downright unsafe. But a Hindu devotee explained to me that it is only dangerous if you do not know what you are doing. The thermodynamics behind fire walking is well known. However, the science does not detract in any way from the spectacular feat, as fire walkers stride confidently over a four-metre pit of glowing embers in their bare feet. But the knowledgeable devotee was absolutely right. Fire walking is only dangerous if we do not know what we are doing. Some people have likened the buying of shares in a volatile stock market with walking barefoot on a bed of hot ashes. But as legendary investor Jeremy Grantham once remarked: &ldquo Volatility is a symptom that people have no idea of the underlying value.&rdquo Warren Buffett  said something similar about risk, which is generally seen as a proxy for volatility. He said: &ldquo Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing&rdquo . For many people, a volatile market could be a time for worry and distress. After all, it can be heart breaking to watch the value of our investments take a hit. Legends vs mortalsBut as Peter Lynch once quipped: &ldquo A stock market decline is as routine as a January blizzard in Colorado. If you&rsquo re prepared, it can&rsquo t hurt you.&rdquo He went on to say: &ldquo A decline is a great opportunity to pick up the bargains left behind by investors who are fleeing the storm in panic.&rdquo That is easy for Lynch to say. He is, after all, a seasoned investor. But what about us mere mortals? How do we go about differentiating between undervalued shares and rip-offs dressed up as bargains? Are we not like wannabe fire walkers, going to get badly burnt, if we pick up the wrong stocks in a volatile market? That can, indeed, be a dilemma. But it is not one that is insurmountable, provided we understand that cheap rubbish is still rubbish. Walking on fireThe day I became a better investor &ndash or as I prefer to call it, the day I learnt to walk on fire &ndash was the day I understood the concept of intrinsic value. We need to understand that every company on the stock market has an intrinsic value. The value could be derived from the stream of dividends that income investors enjoy by holding a stock. For value investors, it could be the sum of a company&rsquo s assets. For growth investors, it could be the earnings that owners of a share could reap over the long term. The trouble is, if you don&rsquo t know the intrinsic value, then that could be tantamount to &ldquo playing poker without looking at the cards&rdquo , as Lynch once joked. But by recognising the concept of intrinsic value, we should be able to appreciate when shares have been unfairly punished. That is the underlying message behind Warren Buffett&rsquo s sage advice: &ldquo Be greedy when the market is fearful, and be fearful when the market is greedy.&rdquo He did not say buy any old rubbish and just hope for the best. Buffett also said: &ldquo Look at market fluctuations as your friend rather than your enemy profit from folly rather than participate in it.&rdquo Volatile timesThe market at the moment is highly volatile. Given the US Fed&rsquo s quantitative tightening policy, war between Russia and Ukraine, China&rsquo s zero-Covid strategy, investors are understandably perplexed. But it is important to remind ourselves that if a business does well, then the stock eventually follows. In the short term, there is no correlation between a company&rsquo s success and its stock. But in the long term, there is a 100 per cent correlation. So, try to focus on the long term and the 100 per cent correlation, rather than what might happen from day to day. And do not, like some, be tempted to ditch our best stocks for cash at the first sign of disaster. We are going through an economic slowdown. We are not going off to hell in a handcart. In our special FREE report,  Top 9 Dividend Stocks for 2022  &ndash   and 3 Tactical Shifts to Maximise Your Profits, we&rsquo re revealing 3 special categories of stocks that are poised to deliver maximum growth in 2022 and beyond.  Our  safe-harbour stocks  are a set of blue-chip companies that have been able to hold their own and deliver steady dividends.  Growth accelerators stocks  are enterprising businesses poised to continue their growth.  And finally, the  pandemic surprises  are the unexpected winners of the pandemic.  Download for free to find out which are our safe-harbour stocks, growth accelerators, and pandemic winners!  CLICK HERE  to find out now!  |
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GoldenPig
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14-Dec-2022 09:40
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Got this through NextInsight Excerpts from CGS-CIMB report Analysts: Izabella Tan & Lim Siew Khee Undervalued at c.0.3x CY23F P/BV
Could hit trough in 2H22F with real estate headwinds Executive Chairman Ren Yuanlin.  File photoWe think the persistent decline in China&rsquo s real estate industry could be YZJFH&rsquo s greatest  headwind in 2H22F and 1H23F. Dwindling home sales had caused more developers to  default in their interest payments. Real estate loans accounted for c.32% of YZJFH&rsquo s debt  portfolio as at end-1H22.  Gross NPL ratio spiked to 30.8% as at end-3Q22, more than  double the 14.4% average over FY18-21. Although YZJFH has a 2.3x coverage ratio  backed by land/building collaterals as at end-1H22, and had made a provision for loan  losses of S$14.8m in 3Q22, we think sustained Covid-19-related lockdowns could prolong  lacklustre home sales and further dampen property values in 1H23F.   We believe YZJFH  has c.80% of its debt investments slated to mature by 1H23F, and hence NPL increases  and mark-to-market losses could weigh on its 2H22F earnings. We estimate a 37.8% hoh  net profit decline in 2H22F. Liquidity pool scheme to expedite offshore investments YZJFH secured from the People&rsquo s Bank of China (PBOC) a liquidity scheme to facilitate  cross-border fund transfers of up to Rmb10bn from China, equivalent to c.50% of its total  asset under management (AUM) of c.Rmb22bn, in our estimates. It had targeted to transfer  S$1bn to Singapore by end-FY22F. We think c.S$610m has been transferred as at end3Q22 (including S$99m spent on share buybacks), and transfer of the remaining c.S$390m  has been delayed to end-Jan 2023F. We believe the liquidity pool scheme increases the  certainty of transferring funds to Singapore, spurring offshore investments, taking YZJFH&rsquo s  fund management business out of limbo. However, we think YZJFH&rsquo s cash drag situation could be extended as the volatile macroeconomic environment weighs on investment  opportunities. Investments also take time to reap returns, and track records take time to  build. We now ascribe a 30% discount to private equity (PE) peers in our SOP valuation.  
Key re-rating catalysts: faster-than-expected AUM growth and  rapidly improving real estate industry in China. Downside risks: exchange rate fluctuations  negatively impacting its US$-dominated assets in Singapore, persistent deterioration of  China&rsquo s real estate industry affecting its NPL levels/interest income and further delays in  transferring funds to Singapore. Full report  here |
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unclebond
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14-Dec-2022 08:27
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Cannot totally blame the mgm for the poor performance, I think. Shortist and big market players are also playing their part. Just pray and hope that the current price level and hold for the rest of the year. Picture will be clearer after their 2022 financial report. 
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sgng123
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14-Dec-2022 00:01
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YZJFH good example of market maker punishing companies for not going through IPO. Depending how long can they still depress stock price but it very near now as china open up and rescue the property market. In the first place the COVID lockdown and property crash all engineered by China gov, nothing to do with real economy or fundamental. That why they in rush to relax everything once their political aim achieved aka third Xi term. Global politician all trash' s, using normal people livelihood as gambling chip for personnel gain. YZJFH just be patient, fundamental still solid the NPL surge temp event once borrowers paid their due on china bank money flush, it be write back in 2023. But it strange SSB still not activated need to wait a bit for news I guess. |
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ss2017.
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13-Dec-2022 23:14
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Beside technical, fundamental, PEST macro factors, we need positive energy to bring up YZJFH.😍 ❤ ️ | ||||||||||||||||
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ss2017.
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13-Dec-2022 22:38
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Let's us do the law of my attraction, to wish YZJFH well. it has been too much talking already, just do wishing well intention setting tonight.
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soeteono
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13-Dec-2022 22:30
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The mgm should be ashamed of the poor performance | ||||||||||||||||
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ss2017.
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13-Dec-2022 22:28
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Yes. At least 34.5c. worldwide uptrend China, HK and USA
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HVRRVH
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13-Dec-2022 22:23
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Something wrong if this doesn' t close 35 cents tomorrow.  | ||||||||||||||||
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sgng123
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13-Dec-2022 18:14
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Still got price affecting news not out yet that why SSB not activated. Mine guess is treasury stocks they bought back at 99m would be cancel, hinting at another SSB in 2023 effectively reducing floating shares and increasing major holders stakes. think there Gona be at least 3 rounds of SSB till 2024 to effective reduce total float from 4b to 3b maybe combine shares also possible 5 to 1, drastically reduce float size from 4b to 800m. Making it harder to short with borrowed stocks as margin for profit squeezed on smaller float.  
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PiRPiR
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13-Dec-2022 17:15
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But YZJFH still have have not used it mandate to buy back shares. Ren said only use his own money after the 10% limit Buyback is reached. So he still have some time to prove himself
Do correct me if I'm wrong
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arkan1111
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13-Dec-2022 16:55
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Ah Long Reng CKLPS, after he promised to buy back if SBB run out, SBB stopped, so he never need to come out his own money to buy back shares. | ||||||||||||||||
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sgng123
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12-Dec-2022 22:14
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No SSB too for today, guess YZJFH might decide to let market do the pricing. China COVID more easing, they retired the track token. Think china trying to minimise death by opening up on omicrp wave instead of deadly delta one. The opening up would be fast and furious, might before CNY open border to international travel then china citizen all ganna force to take booster shot or enjoy the foreign virus intrusion lol. |
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GoldenPig
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12-Dec-2022 18:09
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😳 😂 I think I get the meaning
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pasttime
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12-Dec-2022 18:04
Yells: "gold silver are real money. not others iou." |
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read in hokkien.  mouth talk  x x siok
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GoldenPig
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12-Dec-2022 17:53
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这 股 需 要 耐 性 , 收 藏 得 越 久 总 回 报 率 越 多 。 几 时 起 飞 我 不 想 猜 , 也 无 法 猜 。 不 过 我 想 , 它 一 上 升 可 能 会 飞 得 又 快 又 猛 。 所 以 我 宁 愿 average down, 而 不 是 average up. 有 时 股 票 上 升 时 , 没 空 买 或 没 心 情 买 。 😄
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