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NRA set TP $0.135? 100% UPSIDE
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seanpent
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17-Dec-2024 13:35
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thanks to shortists, cherry picking time | ||||
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vivacious
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26-Nov-2024 20:34
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looking to buy below 515 | ||||
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pasttime
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26-Nov-2024 12:35
Yells: "gold silver are real money. not others iou." |
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trump good man is again helping business who trade between china, mexico, canada to us ahead of implementation of 10% tax.  so if one can guess what it will likely be applied on. sell house sell underwear to buy those goods and import before trump become president. very likely to be able to resell for at lease 5% gain later.
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seanpent
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25-Nov-2024 12:59
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Will be impressive going into the books of the coming financials :)
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vivacious
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25-Nov-2024 12:30
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below 5 will be a strong buy | ||||
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Delvyss
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25-Nov-2024 09:41
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" For the nine months ended Sep 30, CDL and its joint venture associates sold 905 units, generating a total sales value of S$1.8 billion, compared with S$1.4 billion from 691 units in the previous year. " https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/reits-property/cdl-and-joint-ventures-post-s611-1-million-q3-sales-driven-kassia-launch |
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pasttime
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24-Nov-2024 07:43
Yells: "gold silver are real money. not others iou." |
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common reactions to price increased.  reduce or stop buying for a while. after some time it will be normal buying again. |
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pasttime
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24-Nov-2024 07:36
Yells: "gold silver are real money. not others iou." |
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luckyguy3, greetings politics and trade negotiations are complex. trump is a good man trying to help his country out of the deep debt. the tax will help to rebalance their budget. he is business man. most thing will be p& l. china goods sell in us not due to price alone. ask your woman if she will change washing powder, oil for another brand just because it is cheaper? tax applied in us will be paid by us people. the tax will be first used as part of negotiations with china for export to them like oil, gas, soya bean, tourism . some degree of reduce import from china will happens but they will adapt. any way long term trade inbalance will not be possible in long term. china will still need to create momenteum for their internal economy. pushing real estate recovery, ev, robots etc will help. |
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desmlee
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23-Nov-2024 22:04
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everyone is looking so far out... not sure if its just me but I thought the operational update on fri was quite good leh and sounded quite optimistic | ||||
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luckyguy3
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23-Nov-2024 20:07
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U not considering Trump 60% on Tariff going to doom China even more? surely 1 year later situation may worsen if Trump goes full mode attack on China right? Then how? Citydev writing off another few billions on the Shanghai project ? Citydev management supposed to dispose billions of assets to par down the debts as they promised to do so but instead they u-turn and invest billions in high risk CHINA of all the countries. 
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finjungle
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23-Nov-2024 19:37
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Hi Pastime (Elite) Thank you for your posting albeit rough numbers
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pasttime
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23-Nov-2024 18:50
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eat full full, come do some quick estimate of the shang hai project going to loose big time again or not. land price 8.94b ,  permissible gross floor area 76027 sqm. boss said nearby new project sold at 172k to 210k per sqm. i check fang tian di current listing of secondhand asking for 156k per sqm. let s be conservative and used 156k persqm for estimate since it is second hand ask and not yet find buyer. using all as residential for easy estimate the project if sell out can be about 76027*156k = 11.86b heng ah above land price .  11.86b-8.94b  = 2.92b according to statista ,in 2022 average construction cost of completed building per sqm is 6280. so  building 76027 sqm will cost about 76027*6280 = 477449560 let said 0.5b  so 2.92b - 0.5b = 2.42b  after marketing, sale and financial cost they should be able to make some money.  if really more then 172k per sqm then huat already la. easily > rmb 1b profit. eat full full any how estimate only. don' t be too serious. just for fun. china property market recovering well.  china after all the good easing of conditions to buy etc looks like jawing the market now with news on how well market is transacting etc. to create momentum for recovery. surely in 1 year time it will be better then today. western bad media has their agenda will constantly said bad cannot save etc.  i wonder their office oversupply can save or not? dyodd |
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MrBear12
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23-Nov-2024 14:54
Yells: "Cast all our anxieties on Jesus for He cares for us" |
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Learning from past mistakes.
Give it another shot.
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Joelton
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23-Nov-2024 13:50
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CDL and joint ventures post S$611.1 million in Q3 sales, driven by Kassia launch
The 276-unit freehold development has sold over 65 per cent of its units, and was launched in July
 
CITY Developments Limited : C09 +0.39% (CDL) and its joint venture associates recorded S$611.1 million in sales for the third quarter ended Sep 30, 2024, from 321 units sold, up from S$325 million and 183 units in the same period last year.
 
Sales were primarily bolstered by the launch of Kassia, a 276-unit freehold development located off Upper Changi Road North. Launched in July, the project has sold 65 per cent of its units, or 179 units, to date, CDL said in a bourse filing on Friday (Nov 22).
 
For the nine months ended Sep 30, CDL and its joint venture associates sold 905 units, generating a total sales value of S$1.8 billion, compared with S$1.4 billion from 691 units in the previous year.
 
&ldquo The group&rsquo s other launched projects continued to sell well,&rdquo CDL said.
 
To date, the 638-unit Tembusu Grand at Katong has sold 581 units (91 per cent), while The Myst at Upper Bukit Timah Road has sold 297 of its 408 units (73 per cent).
 
CDL launched the 348-unit Norwood Grand at Champions Way in Woodlands in October, selling 292 units, or 84 per cent, during its launch weekend at an average price of S$2,067 per square foot (psf).
 
In November, it introduced the 366-unit Union Square Residences at Havelock Road in District 1. During the launch weekend, 80 units were sold at an average price of about S$3,200 psf. To date, 95 units, or 26 per cent of the development, have been sold.
 
&ldquo With a moderation in interest rates, market activities have resumed and residential sales have picked up after the seasonal lull in September, which coincided with the Hungry Ghost Festival,&rdquo CDL said.
 
It plans to launch The Orie, a joint venture project, in the first quarter of 2025. The 40-storey twin-tower development at Lorong 1 Toa Payoh will feature 777 units and is located within a five-minute walk of Braddell MRT station. It will be the first private residential launch in the area in over eight years, CDL said.
 
As at Sep 30, the company&rsquo s net gearing ratio stood at 70 per cent, following acquisitions this year, including the Hilton Paris Opera hotel and four private rented sector properties in Japan.
 
Looking ahead, CDL noted that early signs of interest rate moderation are boosting buyer sentiment and transaction activity, potentially signalling a turning point for the property market while reducing its financial burden.
 
Singapore&rsquo s residential market saw a &ldquo notable uptick&rdquo in sales from Q3, CDL said, driven by improved interest rates and pent-up demand. In November, around 2,000 units &ndash excluding executive condominiums &ndash were sold across five launches, including Union Square Residences, marking the highest monthly sales since March 2013.
 
CDL&rsquo s office and retail portfolio in Singapore, the UK and Thailand remains &ldquo resilient&rdquo with high occupancy rates. The completion of asset enhancement works at City Square Mall in 2025, supported by strong pre-commitment rates, is expected to strengthen portfolio stability, CDL said.
 
The group anticipates year-on-year growth in its hotel portfolio, particularly in key markets such as Singapore, London and New York.
 
It added that China&rsquo s recent fiscal stimulus measures could boost discretionary spending and travel demand from Chinese visitors &ndash a key market for CDL&rsquo s hotels.
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n3wbie
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23-Nov-2024 10:42
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In the same vein of discussion, although asset classes are not like-for-like, the sentiment isnt great when we have other TLCs reporting this -  CapitaLand warns of potential China divestment losses  https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/property/capitaland-warns-potential-china-divestment-losses
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MrBear12
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23-Nov-2024 10:38
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No we cannot stomach another multi billion dollar mistake.
It's do or die.
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n3wbie
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23-Nov-2024 10:35
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Maybe but once bitten twice share esp when the quantum is substantial. Market cap is now S$4.6b and while the RNAV of CDL is much higher, not sure market can stomach another S$1.5-2b mistake. The concern is as per mentioned by luckyguy3 that interest rate remains elevated and China hasnt really seen inflection point yet despite the commitment to support the real estate sector by the govt. Only time will tell. 
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MrBear12
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23-Nov-2024 07:20
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No risk no gain.
Got big project to do now. Let's go and finish the job. Instead of sitting around talking
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luckyguy3
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23-Nov-2024 05:34
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In 2021,  CDL provided an impairment loss of $1.78 billion on its investment in the Sincere Property, a Chinese developer. So let' s try again in China when gearing is 70% and interest rate is still high. Either very stupid or they very very brave  
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Asdfgh101
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22-Nov-2024 21:34
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U peeps are funny...when CLI is selling China (who owns CLI?), obvious thing to do is to be contrarian and buy China 🙄 problem with CDL is the gearing is pretty scary at 70% | ||||
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