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Qanghoo Supreme	17-Dec-2015 23:00        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Brother, thx.  I' m not in yet.  I' ll consider only if it joins the penny club, hahaha.  Plagued by so much misfortune recently n whacked beyond recognition.  spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 22:56) Posted: This is just a technical rebounce.Better take yr profit if u r making some gain. More likely to go further down after this throw back.
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spore1 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 22:56        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is just a technical rebounce.Better take yr profit if u r making some gain. More likely to go further down after this throw back.
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Qanghoo Supreme	17-Dec-2015 21:36        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Urs is a more realistic assessment.  My sense is, ultimately what OPEC is trying to achieve is a disciplined approach by all, a disciplined pruduction that' s win-win for all.  sheerluck      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 20:46) Posted: What Saudi-led OPEC did is not just killing off those high cost producers.  They are also putting the message across that if these producers do not observes market discipline (ie " 行 情 " ), then be prepared to be hantam if they come back again in the manner they did.  Those high cost producers can flourish because price is high.  They anyhow pump still can earn good money.  S-OPEC can flood the market with oil and push down price until you cannot tanhan. Now this message is not just for the oil coy but mainly for their finance backers eg bankers, investors, etc.  If this round they lose money, then they wouldn' t want to mess around with the SOPEC again since there are high chances of losing.  Without these kind of big fund, there wouldn' t be these oil coys. So these high cost coy are welcome to come back if they don' t anyhow pump oil. (anyhow pump=eat into my market share) Qanghoo      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 19:46) Posted: When oil px up again ..... guess what  ...... up pops the shalers again.  How to stop them? It' s like treating cancer.  Chemo ... remission .... then suddenly reappear .... n that' s the end.  Of course, difference is for oil, it wldn' t be the end for OPEC.  But this theory is flawed  to my mind.
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sheerluck Supreme	17-Dec-2015 20:46        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	What Saudi-led OPEC did is not just killing off those high cost producers.  They are also putting the message across that if these producers do not observes market discipline (ie " 行 情 " ), then be prepared to be hantam if they come back again in the manner they did.  Those high cost producers can flourish because price is high.  They anyhow pump still can earn good money.  S-OPEC can flood the market with oil and push down price until you cannot tanhan. Now this message is not just for the oil coy but mainly for their finance backers eg bankers, investors, etc.  If this round they lose money, then they wouldn' t want to mess around with the SOPEC again since there are high chances of losing.  Without these kind of big fund, there wouldn' t be these oil coys. So these high cost coy are welcome to come back if they don' t anyhow pump oil. (anyhow pump=eat into my market share) Qanghoo      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 19:46) Posted: When oil px up again ..... guess what  ...... up pops the shalers again.  How to stop them? It' s like treating cancer.  Chemo ... remission .... then suddenly reappear .... n that' s the end.  Of course, difference is for oil, it wldn' t be the end for OPEC.  But this theory is flawed  to my mind.  tiancai007      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:59) Posted: Dont be fool by this oil glut. US is growing 2-3%, inflation is below 2%, China is growing 6-7% annually, Europe is printing more money, where is the recession? OPEC,or rather the Arabs controlling behind, is the smartest pple around, flushing out the high-cost producer. Guess what happens after they monopolize the market? They call the shots and cut production to increase px. Even Yellen was surprised by this oil crisis (She said in the medium-term oil px shld stabilze during the FOMC).  If nothing major happens to global economy, oil px shld be up to $60 by end of 2016,
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Qanghoo Supreme	17-Dec-2015 19:46        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	When oil px up again ..... guess what  ...... up pops the shalers again.  How to stop them? It' s like treating cancer.  Chemo ... remission .... then suddenly reappear .... n that' s the end.  Of course, difference is for oil, it wldn' t be the end for OPEC.  But this theory is flawed  to my mind.  tiancai007      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:59) Posted: Dont be fool by this oil glut. US is growing 2-3%, inflation is below 2%, China is growing 6-7% annually, Europe is printing more money, where is the recession? OPEC,or rather the Arabs controlling behind, is the smartest pple around, flushing out the high-cost producer. Guess what happens after they monopolize the market? They call the shots and cut production to increase px. Even Yellen was surprised by this oil crisis (She said in the medium-term oil px shld stabilze during the FOMC).  If nothing major happens to global economy, oil px shld be up to $60 by end of 2016,  Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:24) Posted: Oh ya... finally i have someonw agree with me. Vested with comfortable size, you will not panic with the drop. 7% dividends...better than keeping in bank fix dep... May be capital gain... who knows
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tiancai007 Master	17-Dec-2015 18:59        tiancai007 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Dont be fool by this oil glut. US is growing 2-3%, inflation is below 2%, China is growing 6-7% annually, Europe is printing more money, where is the recession? OPEC,or rather the Arabs controlling behind, is the smartest pple around, flushing out the high-cost producer. Guess what happens after they monopolize the market? They call the shots and cut production to increase px. Even Yellen was surprised by this oil crisis (She said in the medium-term oil px shld stabilze during the FOMC).  If nothing major happens to global economy, oil px shld be up to $60 by end of 2016,  Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:24) Posted: Oh ya... finally i have someonw agree with me. Vested with comfortable size, you will not panic with the drop. 7% dividends...better than keeping in bank fix dep... May be capital gain... who knows tiancai007      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:15) Posted: I am not worried too. SM has been around for donkey years. Since beginning of year till now, already 50% discount, where to find such good lobang for a blue chip?   Just keep for the dividend (or not), and keep fingers cross. Eventually oil px will go up. 2-3 yrs later, you will bang your head for not buying when fear is preventing you from making money. Vested.
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Zindarion Veteran	17-Dec-2015 18:24        Zindarion About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oh ya... finally i have someonw agree with me. Vested with comfortable size, you will not panic with the drop. 7% dividends...better than keeping in bank fix dep... May be capital gain... who knows tiancai007      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 18:15) Posted: I am not worried too. SM has been around for donkey years. Since beginning of year till now, already 50% discount, where to find such good lobang for a blue chip?   Just keep for the dividend (or not), and keep fingers cross. Eventually oil px will go up. 2-3 yrs later, you will bang your head for not buying when fear is preventing you from making money. Vested. Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 17:50) Posted: 2007 till today....only missed special dividends in 2007 & 2008. I am not worry on that. I have done my homework..
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tiancai007 Master	17-Dec-2015 18:15        tiancai007 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am not worried too. SM has been around for donkey years. Since beginning of year till now, already 50% discount, where to find such good lobang for a blue chip?   Just keep for the dividend (or not), and keep fingers cross. Eventually oil px will go up. 2-3 yrs later, you will bang your head for not buying when fear is preventing you from making money. Vested. Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 17:50) Posted: 2007 till today....only missed special dividends in 2007 & 2008. I am not worry on that. I have done my homework... spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:19) Posted: Don't b surprise FY loss for 15 No dividend .This will send the price further down . Why bet with uncertainty .There r other counter to consider .
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Zindarion Veteran	17-Dec-2015 17:50        Zindarion About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	2007 till today....only missed special dividends in 2007 & 2008. I am not worry on that. I have done my homework... spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:19) Posted: Don't b surprise FY loss for 15 No dividend .This will send the price further down . Why bet with uncertainty .There r other counter to consider . earlybird14      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:09) Posted: This is just a technical bounce. Don' t be over excited to think bad is over. Once price soften and turn weak, it will move down again.  Petrobras project is still unknown and payment was not made since Nov 2014.
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ecekca Elite	17-Dec-2015 14:37        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	you are right. spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:19) Posted: Don't b surprise FY loss for 15 No dividend .This will send the price further down . Why bet with uncertainty .There r other counter to consider . earlybird14      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:09) Posted: This is just a technical bounce. Don' t be over excited to think bad is over. Once price soften and turn weak, it will move down again.  Petrobras project is still unknown and payment was not made since Nov 2014.
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spore1 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 14:19        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don't b surprise FY loss for 15 No dividend .This will send the price further down . Why bet with uncertainty .There r other counter to consider . earlybird14      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 14:09) Posted: This is just a technical bounce. Don' t be over excited to think bad is over. Once price soften and turn weak, it will move down again.  Petrobras project is still unknown and payment was not made since Nov 2014.  Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:48) Posted: I have been waiting for long long time for the right timing... The hint is M&A at bottom of oil price. Happening in USA and Sg. So the moment is here. Opec let them screw their own game. Cant be bother with them. Very happen for their keep coming game & meeting of pressing oil price down. Eventually they still pumping more and more. The more you pump the more services you need to maintain high output. Things will break down with high work load... in fact faster.
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earlybird14 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 14:09        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is just a technical bounce. Don' t be over excited to think bad is over. Once price soften and turn weak, it will move down again.  Petrobras project is still unknown and payment was not made since Nov 2014.  Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:48) Posted: I have been waiting for long long time for the right timing... The hint is M&A at bottom of oil price. Happening in USA and Sg. So the moment is here. Opec let them screw their own game. Cant be bother with them. Very happen for their keep coming game & meeting of pressing oil price down. Eventually they still pumping more and more. The more you pump the more services you need to maintain high output. Things will break down with high work load... in fact faster. ozone2002      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:41) Posted: agree with you. Even China voiced out to OPEC stating oil prices are WAY too low, indicating that oil has gone down too much and fair value is definitely higher than current price. Of course anything can happen. gd luck dyodd
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ecekca Elite	17-Dec-2015 14:05        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	okie pls push it up to $5 Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:48) Posted: I have been waiting for long long time for the right timing... The hint is M&A at bottom of oil price. Happening in USA and Sg. So the moment is here. Opec let them screw their own game. Cant be bother with them. Very happen for their keep coming game & meeting of pressing oil price down. Eventually they still pumping more and more. The more you pump the more services you need to maintain high output. Things will break down with high work load... in fact faster. ozone2002      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:41) Posted: agree with you. Even China voiced out to OPEC stating oil prices are WAY too low, indicating that oil has gone down too much and fair value is definitely higher than current price. Of course anything can happen. gd luck dyodd
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Zindarion Veteran	17-Dec-2015 11:48        Zindarion About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have been waiting for long long time for the right timing... The hint is M&A at bottom of oil price. Happening in USA and Sg. So the moment is here. Opec let them screw their own game. Cant be bother with them. Very happen for their keep coming game & meeting of pressing oil price down. Eventually they still pumping more and more. The more you pump the more services you need to maintain high output. Things will break down with high work load... in fact faster. ozone2002      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:41) Posted: agree with you. Even China voiced out to OPEC stating oil prices are WAY too low, indicating that oil has gone down too much and fair value is definitely higher than current price. Of course anything can happen. gd luck dyodd Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:12) Posted: No brainer to enter. Look at their fundamental. All those BC O&G will not get kill easily. Bad news to correct further is good for longer holder. Yes when people fearful, You need to be brave. As long they can survive this down turn, they ill get stronger. That is why i never go penny O&G. Ezra is midcap to me. Only enter after rights issue and small chunk. Semb Marine, Semb Ind, Kep Corp are not first day in Sgx. This kind of price, PE & dividends %, will attract big buyers. Shortist help to correct the price which is good.
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ozone2002 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 11:41        ozone2002 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Technical
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	agree with you. Even China voiced out to OPEC stating oil prices are WAY too low, indicating that oil has gone down too much and fair value is definitely higher than current price. Of course anything can happen. gd luck dyodd Zindarion      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:12) Posted: No brainer to enter. Look at their fundamental. All those BC O&G will not get kill easily. Bad news to correct further is good for longer holder. Yes when people fearful, You need to be brave. As long they can survive this down turn, they ill get stronger. That is why i never go penny O&G. Ezra is midcap to me. Only enter after rights issue and small chunk. Semb Marine, Semb Ind, Kep Corp are not first day in Sgx. This kind of price, PE & dividends %, will attract big buyers. Shortist help to correct the price which is good. ozone2002      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:05) Posted: Last:1.76     Vol:2830k     +0.06 big jump up, signalling share price too cheap, didn' t touch 2008 crisis low at 1.5 but near it. large volume could indicate funds or Big boys buying in. Gd luck dyodd. Remember be greedy when others are fearful.
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tiancai007 Master	17-Dec-2015 11:24        tiancai007 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think can hit 1.8 today. Watch out!
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Zindarion Veteran	17-Dec-2015 11:15        Zindarion About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No need to speculate. Let the market do the work for you. I dont believe on speculating BC. Penny yes...speculatation play. spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:07) Posted: oil prices low can even get lower. nobody knows when it will move up. during this period, if more order cancel /postpone then its financial result will be v bad.   i would say this is just a technical rebounce spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:05) Posted: this is purely a speculating counter. pinching on oil prices up or down
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Zindarion Veteran	17-Dec-2015 11:12        Zindarion About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No brainer to enter. Look at their fundamental. All those BC O&G will not get kill easily. Bad news to correct further is good for longer holder. Yes when people fearful, You need to be brave. As long they can survive this down turn, they ill get stronger. That is why i never go penny O&G. Ezra is midcap to me. Only enter after rights issue and small chunk. Semb Marine, Semb Ind, Kep Corp are not first day in Sgx. This kind of price, PE & dividends %, will attract big buyers. Shortist help to correct the price which is good. ozone2002      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:05) Posted: Last:1.76     Vol:2830k     +0.06 big jump up, signalling share price too cheap, didn' t touch 2008 crisis low at 1.5 but near it. large volume could indicate funds or Big boys buying in. Gd luck dyodd. Remember be greedy when others are fearful.
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spore1 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 11:07        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	oil prices low can even get lower. nobody knows when it will move up. during this period, if more order cancel /postpone then its financial result will be v bad.   i would say this is just a technical rebounce spore1      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:05) Posted: this is purely a speculating counter. pinching on oil prices up or down erhaier      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:04) Posted: yes, agree... oil related counters are not for short term punting, its gonna to be an event driven play at some point.
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spore1 Supreme	17-Dec-2015 11:05        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	this is purely a speculating counter. pinching on oil prices up or down erhaier      ( Date: 17-Dec-2015 11:04) Posted: yes, agree... oil related counters are not for short term punting, its gonna to be an event driven play at some point.
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