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LacOperon
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28-Oct-2017 01:30
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So fun to see you try so hard sometimes. Bombard away then :D good luck.
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botakzaiisme
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28-Oct-2017 01:23
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Good luck to you too bro! 
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papayaface
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27-Oct-2017 22:40
Yells: "This is the best time to enter....when everythings uncertain" |
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Haha this whatapp group is like a AMA fan club. You can only find bulls who will stroke each other' s ego. One sided view of the share. It' s more wholistic to be at this forum. Lets see what happens when the shortists bombard the sp. Will it be, " to each his own" ? See how long it can last. Good luck.  
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botakzaiisme
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27-Oct-2017 18:22
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Message sent for ur consideration thanks.
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Atom99
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27-Oct-2017 17:14
Yells: "Once you hv eliminated the impossible,whatever remains TRUTH" |
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botakzaiisme please send me a message...contact no.and I will let admin group decides.Thks
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botakzaiisme
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27-Oct-2017 16:48
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Bro... Iziit ok if I can join the group? hahahah... thanks in advance
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 16:39
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papaya..u closed your shorts??make money?? | ||||
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 16:22
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covering up time started... | ||||
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 15:30
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THANK YOU PAPAYA... THANKS FOR THE WARNINGS... THOSE WHO FELL FOR THE CON  ON THE FIRST BREAKOUT FROM BELOW 10 CTS TO 40 CTS.. NOW CAN QUIETLY SIT DOWN TO THINK THROUGH SERIOUSLY.... THOISE WHO ENETEREDV AT 21 CTS...KUDOS TO THEM.. |
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 15:13
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G06...CRAPPY TALK TOO OFTEN.. U CAN HOG THE THREAD..,,THATS YOUR METHOD TOMDRIVE ALTERNATIVES FROUMMERS OUT OF THIS THREAD.. REALLY HOGS CRAPS.. YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN SHUTTING DOWN THE LAST AM THREAD..GREAT WORK..KEEP ON CRAPPING..
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RedEye1811
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27-Oct-2017 14:38
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Glad you recognize yourself that you are crap...congrats on your self awareness...great accomplishment....
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 14:31
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craps talk.. | ||||
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Atom99
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27-Oct-2017 14:18
Yells: "Once you hv eliminated the impossible,whatever remains TRUTH" |
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Bro RedEye1811 Please do not waste your time here.Inviting you to our WhatApp group. It has already been set up.Please message me if it is ok with you.
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RedEye1811
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27-Oct-2017 13:24
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Now to focus on your Point 3 claim. To be specific, you are claiming shortists are still winning, and making lots of bulls money. Let us look at actual figures. Since Sept 8 to Oct 26. On Sept 8 the share price open at 22c and closed at 21.5c. Selecting this point as it roughly point AMAL hit it low, and roughly begins the point you started claiming how powerful shortists were and would not let share price rise with big walls being put up. Since Sept 8 to Oct 26 there have been 29 days in which AMAL shares have traded. Days when in trading halt already excluded. For those 29 days AMAL traded a total of 9,461,200 shares were shorted. Total volume during the period was 538,487,400. Percentage of shares shorted to total volume is a meager 1.757%. Let us consider different scenarios. In each scenario will apply your golden rule that &ldquo shortists do not leave an open position overnight&rdquo . Hence, each day the shortist is opening a position and closing it that day. Scenario 1: Applying your &lsquo Golden Rule&rsquo , and let us assume you short at the highest price of the day and close it at lowest. And let us assume you the only shortist, so you responsible for all short trades. Based on the above scenario parameters, and crunching the numbers, the total accumulative outlay is $2,776,512.00 with a return of $3,003,435.50 hence, an accumulative profit of $226,923.50 But Scenario 1 is quite unrealistic as the average price of shorted shares each day is always below the high of the day. For example, on high for the day was 29.5c but the average cost of shorted shares was only 28.1c. So let us focus on the average shorted share price per day. Scenario 2: Applying your &lsquo Golden Rule&rsquo , and let us assume the average shorted price per day for opening of position, and close it at lowest. And let us assume you the only shortist, so you responsible for all short trades. Based on Scenario 2 parameters the accumulate return is $2,905,074.00 and accumulative cost of $2,776,512.00 leaving a total accumulated profit of $128,562.00. But let us be realistic. You unlikely to have a golden ball to tell you precisely what will be the low price for the day. So let us assume that you cover the position once it dropped 1c from the daily average price of shares shorted (or lowest share price for day if it greater than daily average price of shares shorted less 1c). Scenario 3: Applying your &lsquo Golden Rule&rsquo , and let us assume the average shorted price per day for opening of position, and close it at higher of (a) daily average price of shares shorted less 1c or (b) lowest share price for the day. And let us assume you the only shortist, so you responsible for all short trades. Based on Scenario 3 parameters the accumulate return is $2,905,074.00 and accumulative cost of $2,818,395.00 leaving a total accumulated profit of $88,679.00. Under Scenario 1 if you the only party shorting you would have made a total accumulated profit of $226,923.50 whilst being a low of $88,679.00 under Scenario 3. As said above Scenario 1 is highly unlikely as nobody got such a golden ball of knowledge to open a short at high of day and close it at low each and every day. Hence, total accumulative profit is more likely to centre somewhere between Scenario 2 and Scenario 3. But the above scenarios all based on you being the only person shorting. What is the probability of that? Let us pick a very conservative number that 10 shortists involved. Based on that from the period Sept 8 to Oct 26 the average profit each of the 10 shortists would make would have been between $13k to $8k. Let us now consider a longist. For simple illustration, let us assume a longist bought the same amount of shares that were shorted during the period Sept 8 to Oct 26 that is, 9,461,200 shares. Now assume the longist made the purchase at opening price on Sept 8 and sold it all at closing price on Oct 26. The opening price on Sept 8 was 22c and closing on Oct 26 was 38c. Total outlay on Sept 8 is $2,081,464.00 and the amount received was $3,595,256.00, giving a profit of $1,513,792.00. But let us be fair and assume the longist did not buy all on Sept 8. For simplistic illustration let us assume the vwap from Sept 8 to Oct 26 as the average purchase price of the 9,461,200 shares. The vwap from Sept 8 to Oct 26 was 31.9c. Based on this then total outlay to acquire 9,461,200 shares at the vwap from Sept 8 to Oct 26 is $3,015,842.97 and if sold at closing price on Oct 26 then amount received is $3,595,256.00, resulting in a profit of $579,413.03. So the profit of the longist is running from $1,513,792 to lower end of $579,413.03. In comparison the shortist under the most optimistic case (having a magic ball) only gets an accumulative profit of $226,923.50 though in reality more likely around $128,562.00. But let us be fair to the shortist. Obviously not every longist going to grab 9 million plus shares. So let us just say that for every shortist there is 100 longists. So for every share shorted 100 longists would buy a share. During the period Sept 08 to Oct 26 the volume traded was 500 million plus shares. If follow earlier suggestion that there are 10 shortists then based on ratio of 1:100 then there is 1000 longists buying during same period (accepted unrealistic but just for illustration). So let us assume an average longist bought 500,000 shares (500 million divided by 1000). If the average longist bought 500,000 shares at open of Sept 8 and sold all at close on Oct 26 then purchase is $110,000 with receipt of $190,000 getting a profit of $80,000. If assume the vwap from Sept 8 to Oct 26 (that is 31.9c) then purchase is $159,400 with return of $190,000 and profit of $30,400. So the average shortist (based on a very conservative suggestion of 10 shortists) would be only making between 8k to 13k. In contrast, a longist (and assuming there many more longlists than shortist) would average between 30k to 80k. I accept the assumptions I utilize are broad. But the numbers are clear and if you do your research and crunch the numbers then it perfectly clear any claim shortists are making money hand over fist relative to longlists during the period Sept 8 to Oct 26 is a clear myth. Just do the maths. Hey, I may be wrong so prove me wrong as happy to be shown. But to anyone, just look at the number of shares shorted during the period and apply the so-called ' Golden Rule' of shortists, and crunch the numbers yourselves. Even trying to be generous and say only 10 shortists active during the period means they barely making reasonable profit relative to longist. The actually numbers are available for people to research and to do their own research in crunching numbers. If crunch the numbers then think IMO it comes clear that suggestion shortists making bundles relative to longists since early Sept is a myth. But DYODD. Hard figures there and they do not lie.   
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RedEye1811
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27-Oct-2017 13:19
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In respect to your Point 1. Sorry to burst your self-indulgent bubble but was not cherry picking in the slightest to fit some &ldquo rhyme&rdquo . If wish to list every unfounded boast you made since mid-Sept claiming how powerful shortists are, your predictions on how shortists will drive the SP down, and/or your predictions on where SP headed, then that extended list would only illustrate more clearly how often your claims, boasts and predictions are unfounded and incorrect. I do not have to cherry pick. The examples I listed are only a general selection of your own words, that are overwhelming incorrect. Happy to list everything if you wish but all it will prove and cement how often you are wrong and have zero credibility. As for your Point 2, many of your claims are not time specific. Just read your own words. It is clear in many cases that your boasts/claims are not applicable to a single day. So stop trying to spray fluff claiming &ldquo oh, shortists do not carry positions overnight&rdquo as it does not wash with many of your statements.  But let us assume it does. On multiple occassions you stated it going to this SP or that, but did not. So your predictions more often than not been rot. But suppose scream wolf enough your finally get it right so good luck on that.
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HKLim6
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27-Oct-2017 11:38
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Hurry up pls. Since you don't hold overnight
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botakzaiisme
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27-Oct-2017 11:19
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Hi shifu can u provide some insights how much the sp will fall? Fall until 10 cents possible for today?? Hahahahaahahaha lmao
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papayaface
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27-Oct-2017 11:02
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SHORT !!!!  365/37 cts now. Good luck
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Justdoit88
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27-Oct-2017 10:18
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bernardc
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27-Oct-2017 08:35
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hey craps talk... | ||||
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