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hotelgrand Master	12-Nov-2020 11:47        hotelgrand About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	R.S hugh supply coming in on Nov 19...T.P big boss is buying amd Malaysian EPF also collecting..Sri.Tang plunge not so scary..from $1.50 to $1.19 now....avoid glove stocks now..maybe go nanofilm..I also shorted R.S on the day it went ex $1.95 to next day $1.75 and hve yet to cover beciz upside limited..downside unlimited unlimited Sgvale      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:01) Posted: Looking at Riverstone & Top Glove stabilising. Dumping may be bottom..These few days PPE had already plunged btw at least 30%-40%
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mchua71 Senior	12-Nov-2020 12:09        mchua71 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Analyst see short term growth, long term decline. I' m still vested in the short term. but need to monitor and exit with little profit (if ever possible). If all only see long term surely price will go down. Hopefully investor still value short term growth.
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Hello08 Member	12-Nov-2020 11:53        Hello08 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup hope there will be some changes. But 19-20nov huge selldown might come again  1c2e3s      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:47) Posted: relax . at least you got next quarter Hello08      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:40) Posted: Finger crossed... seem like not right.
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SGPhantom Master	12-Nov-2020 11:50        SGPhantom About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The " downgrade" to HOLD by DBS was done at 1.9x, coz their TP is at around 2.  So nothing wrong with that call. If you ask the same analyst today (1.4x), he / she will probably rate it as a BUY. But why would I wanna listen to an analyst who changes PE in the middle of the game, unless they know something even other houses don' t? Anyway, TP is just a TARGET, don' t read too much into it, especially when it comes to news-sensitive counters such as this. Sentiment rules, at least for now, and especially so when the vaccine roll-out possibility is getting nearer. The reason why it jumps multiple times during the beginning, is because of C19, and no vaccine in sight. It is only natural it gets abandoned if and when the vaccine rolls out, no matter how much PPEs and Gloves are still required. As for Cleanroom, it will just be pretty normal demand (or growth) pre / post C19. Will they still make money?  Of course, tonnes. But will it reach the TP is totally another story. So set your own exit point(s), and be happy with whatever you gain, hopefully.  No need to wait for TPs. I' ve made money and get burnt many times over. I cant give you sound technical advice, but I can share life lessons, and I continue to learn every single day too. Best of luck guys! Bongbong      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:22) Posted: Which goes back to my point, all along it' s known that going into 2022 things will normalise, DBS included.  if they alr know that why make a 27x call to begin with? Which is what I' m saying on changing the pe to suit agenda. riverstone trades maybe ard 13-15x PE last time. So u can even say 2 bucks by DBS now is fair since they used 13x. Price now is a good 30% below  LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:08) Posted: Bro, when analyst downgrades the P/E so drastically, it is a sign that the fundamental assumption has changed. P/E ratio, to put it simply, is the # of years that an investor can expect to breakeven. A high P/E ratio of 27x typically implies that a company could be on a sustainable high growth trajectory which on a forward basis, the P/E would be lowered substantially.  When analyst cuts P/E so drastically, it' s an indication that the previously assumed sustainable high growth trajectory is no longer valid and the market would and should buy in at a lower P/E
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1c2e3s Veteran	12-Nov-2020 11:47        1c2e3s About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	relax . at least you got next quarter Hello08      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:40) Posted: Finger crossed... seem like not right.
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Hello08 Member	12-Nov-2020 11:40        Hello08 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Finger crossed... seem like not right.
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Bongbong Master	12-Nov-2020 11:22        Bongbong About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Which goes back to my point, all along it' s known that going into 2022 things will normalise, DBS included.  if they alr know that why make a 27x call to begin with? Which is what I' m saying on changing the pe to suit agenda. riverstone trades maybe ard 13-15x PE last time. So u can even say 2 bucks by DBS now is fair since they used 13x. Price now is a good 30% below  LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 11:08) Posted: Bro, when analyst downgrades the P/E so drastically, it is a sign that the fundamental assumption has changed. P/E ratio, to put it simply, is the # of years that an investor can expect to breakeven. A high P/E ratio of 27x typically implies that a company could be on a sustainable high growth trajectory which on a forward basis, the P/E would be lowered substantially.  When analyst cuts P/E so drastically, it' s an indication that the previously assumed sustainable high growth trajectory is no longer valid and the market would and should buy in at a lower P/E. Bongbong      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:57) Posted: As I sharing yesterday, the DBS report actually upgraded the earnings, and the main thing they changed is the PE multiple from 27 to 13. So if u asked me nothing has changed except the houses playing with the multiple to suit their agenda. and hold was issued because the price was 1.9+ then
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Superfast Supreme	12-Nov-2020 11:21        Superfast About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Some counterd recovering... Let see.... Gdluck
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justin79 Senior	12-Nov-2020 11:11        justin79 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Exactly bro. Its all about you say you shiok, I say i shiok. Those that chose to listen please go ahead. However I would prefer to take it with a pinch of salt. Bongbong      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:57) Posted: As I sharing yesterday, the DBS report actually upgraded the earnings, and the main thing they changed is the PE multiple from 27 to 13. So if u asked me nothing has changed except the houses playing with the multiple to suit their agenda. and hold was issued because the price was 1.9+ then. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:53) Posted: Given the tighter regulations in light of several high profile market manipulation cases, I don' t believe banks (particularly local banks) would risk a quick buck by buying into a counter shortly after downgrading TP. Local banks are very strict on not partaking as well as the possibility of being viewed to be partaking in market manipulation
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LeShramp Member	12-Nov-2020 11:08        LeShramp About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, when analyst downgrades the P/E so drastically, it is a sign that the fundamental assumption has changed. P/E ratio, to put it simply, is the # of years that an investor can expect to breakeven. A high P/E ratio of 27x typically implies that a company could be on a sustainable high growth trajectory which on a forward basis, the P/E would be lowered substantially.  When analyst cuts P/E so drastically, it' s an indication that the previously assumed sustainable high growth trajectory is no longer valid and the market would and should buy in at a lower P/E. Bongbong      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:57) Posted: As I sharing yesterday, the DBS report actually upgraded the earnings, and the main thing they changed is the PE multiple from 27 to 13. So if u asked me nothing has changed except the houses playing with the multiple to suit their agenda. and hold was issued because the price was 1.9+ then. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:53) Posted: Given the tighter regulations in light of several high profile market manipulation cases, I don' t believe banks (particularly local banks) would risk a quick buck by buying into a counter shortly after downgrading TP. Local banks are very strict on not partaking as well as the possibility of being viewed to be partaking in market manipulation
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LeShramp Member	12-Nov-2020 11:02        LeShramp About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There' re fundamental differences in the business models between RS and YZJ. YZJ is in a highly cyclical business which the share price tends to go up in a recovering economy and decent oil price level. Ideally, the market should be trading at the mid range between highs and lows of cycles, but this is never the case because of short-term market players. Nevertheless, economy will recover, trade will resume and oil price will eventually normalize. Now on the other hand, RS is playing a very different game. It' s benefitting from near term windfall from COVID-19 and it is set to normalize (downwards) when situation normalizes and there' s no knowing when the next pandemic will strike which could be 20 years later (between SARS and COVID-19). Ideally, the market should be long-term when it comes to equity.  humblestudent666      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:47) Posted: downgrades and upgrades from analysts are based on fundamentals, not sentiment. look at YZJ, another popular STI counter. analysts have been giving it 1.2-1.5 TP forever but still people are not biting.  these analysts you can take them with a pinch of salt.
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Bongbong Master	12-Nov-2020 10:57        Bongbong About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As I sharing yesterday, the DBS report actually upgraded the earnings, and the main thing they changed is the PE multiple from 27 to 13. So if u asked me nothing has changed except the houses playing with the multiple to suit their agenda. and hold was issued because the price was 1.9+ then. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:53) Posted: Given the tighter regulations in light of several high profile market manipulation cases, I don' t believe banks (particularly local banks) would risk a quick buck by buying into a counter shortly after downgrading TP. Local banks are very strict on not partaking as well as the possibility of being viewed to be partaking in market manipulation. justin79      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:48) Posted: You see, we all now know that banks have downgraded this counter. But do we know if that they could be secretly buying in on a good bargain after the downgrade? Lolx. There is no rule or law that says they can' t buy in on a downgraded counter as far as I know
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LeShramp Member	12-Nov-2020 10:47        LeShramp About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Given the tighter regulations in light of several high profile market manipulation cases, I don' t believe banks (particularly local banks) would risk a quick buck by buying into a counter shortly after downgrading TP. Local banks are very strict on not partaking as well as the possibility of being viewed to be partaking in market manipulation. justin79      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:48) Posted: You see, we all now know that banks have downgraded this counter. But do we know if that they could be secretly buying in on a good bargain after the downgrade? Lolx. There is no rule or law that says they can' t buy in on a downgraded counter as far as I know. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:41) Posted: Banks are downgrading this counter. Finally some rationality.
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xanado Member	12-Nov-2020 10:51        xanado About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	will it rebound in afternoon ?
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Superfast Supreme	12-Nov-2020 10:51        Superfast About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I see it as exchanging hands... Only... Later, tell u..... We still need gloves for injections vaccine....lol justin79      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:48) Posted: You see, we all now know that banks have downgraded this counter. But do we know if that they could be secretly buying in on a good bargain after the downgrade? Lolx. There is no rule or law that says they can' t buy in on a downgraded counter as far as I know. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:41) Posted: Banks are downgrading this counter. Finally some rationality.
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justin79 Senior	12-Nov-2020 10:48        justin79 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You see, we all now know that banks have downgraded this counter. But do we know if that they could be secretly buying in on a good bargain after the downgrade? Lolx. There is no rule or law that says they can' t buy in on a downgraded counter as far as I know. LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:41) Posted: Banks are downgrading this counter. Finally some rationality.
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humblestudent666 Senior	12-Nov-2020 10:47        humblestudent666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	downgrades and upgrades from analysts are based on fundamentals, not sentiment. look at YZJ, another popular STI counter. analysts have been giving it 1.2-1.5 TP forever but still people are not biting.  these analysts you can take them with a pinch of salt.
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Hector Veteran	12-Nov-2020 10:44        Hector About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Only DBS downgrades RS to " Hold" with TP of $2, but other analysts still remain position with TP of $2.5 LeShramp      ( Date: 12-Nov-2020 10:41) Posted: Banks are downgrading this counter. Finally some rationality.
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LeShramp Member	12-Nov-2020 10:41        LeShramp About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Banks are downgrading this counter. Finally some rationality.
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justin79 Senior	12-Nov-2020 10:40        justin79 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I can see 1.47 and 1.48 collection in the process.
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