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EmmGru
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30-Apr-2017 16:29
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Lucky by the time I see your post Redeye and Risktaker bro already reply u, otherwise I can' t tell at first what u asking. What you' re describing is at the very least insider trading hahahahaha... When you' re a listed company cannot be so sour grapes want all the gain to yourself..... your minority shareholders with the foresight to invest in u will have chance to ride the boat and huat with good news. Not at the first sign can huat, do takeover or secretly buy everybody out to try to huat yourself only..... hehehehe If u got tis kind of mindset then every IPO u see u must think it is a fraud in progress rite? There is no reason the substantial shareholder selling out his shares at IPO if the Co is valuable?? Hahaha LOL is not enough to describe how hard I' m laughing. U go and read up rationale of IPO lah. For eg. the recent Snapchat IPO? They made a lot of people huat overnite but the founders huat the most becos share price rise lift all boats mah. The original owners reduced their shareholding % but the price rise so overall they gain more. Without IPO the founders can be billionaire? Cannot have your fish and eat it too.
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 16:10
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Saw ur point and totally agree with u
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RedEye1811
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30-Apr-2017 16:09
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risktaker Bro...as I sought to highlight, his argument is seriously flawed...a simple case a mining company lists to raise capital to conduct the exploration...logically they raising capital as they do not have the cash...they drill etc etc where obviously the cash is used....they then discover great find.... Guy 1: " Psst...guys, let us keep it secret and buy shares back..." Guy 2: " But where we going to get money to buy the shares? We used it for the exploration" Oh that right, money grows on trees it seems and can be plucked anytime. if that case why sell stake in first place... 
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RedEye1811
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30-Apr-2017 16:00
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Seriously Bro...let us assume you own 20% but your first thought is to accumulate more stock to raise your stake to 75%. The logic of this is so flawed it a great laugh. Let us consider some of the flaws in your argument: 1. Assume at beginning you held 100%. If you own 20% now why did you sell 80% in first place. Oh, you needed capital to do the exploration most likely. So you basically sold equity to raise capital that you never had to do the exploration. But by some miracle you suddenly going to find a bunch of money to buy equity to raise your stake. Where you going to get the money Bro? You raised capital and used it in the exploration. If you had money in the first place exploration then why would you sell 80%? Think logically. Money does not just grow on trees. 2. Okay let us assume you own 20% of the company and you originally did not hold 100% but bought a 20% stake. Who owns the remaining 80% Bro? The dumb and dumber? You state: " Hey I discovered a trillion dollar mine and going to keep your mouth closed and buy another 55%" . Bro, what is the owner(s) of the other 80% doing? Sleeping? Are you the only clown in the company and ownership to have knowledge you discovered a gold mine worth a trillion dollars? For simplicity let us assume you own 20% and other guy 80%. Do you think he not know about the disccovery as well? He must be the dumbest owner of 80% around. Okay AMAL/TAW got greater diversity of ownership. But seriously can you tell me that the other substantial owners just going to keep mouths shut and allow you to raise your stake to 75%? Hey, if another substantial shareholder owns 20% what is not stopping him seeking to raise his stake to 75%? Oh, hang on you both now own 150% of the company. If you fighting for control and the other guy how people not going to get wind of it. 3. And again, where you going to get the cash to buy the additional stake? The tooth fairy? If company is valued at 50 million now and nobody knows big discovery and you own 20% of company your holding worth 10 million. You aim to raise it to 75%. If 75% that 35 million. Hey, where you going to get the other 25 million? Got printing press out back right? Maybe need borrow it. Bank manager: So what you want money for? Reply: I want to up stake. Bank manager: Show us so evidence it worthwhile? Oppps must tell bank manager. Heck news of your discovery out. Existing shareholders going to sell their stake to you at current price. Heck, need borrow more. Great had to borrow 75 million. Okay, now we need to get it out of the ground. I was an exploration company so must become producer. Oh, that right, need infrastructure to did hole in ground. Heck, where do I get the money? Ummm....I just borrowed heap from bank. Will they give me more? Wah, you think bank managers hand out money for loans like candy ma? 4. You own 20% now in a publicly listed company. You buy some more shares. Oh, that right. As a substantial shareholder must disclose the purchase. Okay. you buy 1% then another 1% and another. Hang on all these disclosures and you think nobody wonder what going on? 5. How long it going to take to accumulate from 20% to 75%? A week. A year. Seriously Bro. You a susbtantial shareholder. Each time buy you need to disclose. If you buy big chunks people sure clue in something up. And if in small the simple number of disclosure of change in ownership will alert people. 6. And ever heard of mandatory takeover once hit 30%. So once hit 30% how you plan to keep secret if looking to raise to 75%. Bro...I can driver holes through you argument all day. So please keep me laughing and having fun.
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furnaces
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30-Apr-2017 15:42
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A very well-made documentary on the Electric car revolution and the auto companies behind it. Title: Revenge of the Electric Car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru89x1jmpq4& t=76s |
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 15:16
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LOL if mine owners think like u they wont go listing liao lor...why did bill gates not holding 100% of microsoft why all those huge mining company has not huge ownership... Really Rubbish... Why did Steven Jobs not buying more apple shares before launching Iphone ... LOL
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c3_jail
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30-Apr-2017 14:50
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My broker give extension until friday 5 may. So just lets see whether tuesday suspension will be lifted or not
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30-Apr-2017 14:50
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your counter argument not bad !
BUT , Put it this way, if they hit a jackpot "mine", price would actually not shoot up so fast but actually "at lows" below 20 cents for them to do accumulations to increase their stakes. Think about it : ) If I only hold 20% in an exploration company and I hit a gold mine with US$ 1 trillion of gold reserves, would I low profile accumulate my stakes to above 75% 1st or would i blow the horn and declare to the whole world i found a 1 trillion $ gold mine ? Quoting risktaker : sometimes you think you know, but actually you don't know. P.S. i am watching Kishore points of views. A pity he is not into politics . If he is in the Cabinet, such great asset ! Very wise man.
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EmmGru
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30-Apr-2017 14:15
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Yes my broker told me as long as suspension is temporary, as soon as trading starts, contra longists have to sell in the ' morning' . No fixed time except I suppose dun drag until after lunch. The contra longists still get to sell by themselves, the broker won' t do it for them. So contra longists still got time to queue to sell etc... try to make the best of things. Did not hear abt the trading account suspension. All contra longists should call their brokers and ask. If any contra longists want to pay up for their shares, the broker has to receive the money by morning of the day trading starts to avoid force sell. Full payment of the buy contract unless want to do partial payment / partial pick up of the shares then need to inform broker in advance then they do a manual adjustment for u. Giro deduction takes 2 days so not in time to do Giro if resume trading on Tues. Need to pay cash or cheque as cashier counter.
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KopRed75
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30-Apr-2017 14:04
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By the way, I was told that contra longists can still sell their shares on their own when the suspension is lifted without financial penalty except that the brokerage house concerned will suspend your trading account for a week. Those affected may want to check with your respective brokers. If true, the shortists will be the only ones feeling the pain if Alliance Mineral combine all the good news for announcement before lifting the suspension. That will be a really masterstroke by the management if this comes true. | ||||
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EmmGru
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30-Apr-2017 13:53
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Aiyah so many ID oso no use, they will only scare the uninformed, tats why all the bro here take so much time to rebut them. Otherwise dun waste time.
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 13:45
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they could be the same grp of people or same people using different ID lol
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EmmGru
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30-Apr-2017 13:41
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Haha u can quote Bre-X but u never learn from it... How did the Bre-X fraud get found out? When the independent miner from Freeport go in and drill rite? From the beginning AMAL is the owner and Tawana is the independent operator. Tawana didn' t have to work with AMAL u know... they are free to select the owner to work with and have to earn their buy-in with capital /equipment deployment / technical expertise. From the very beginning we have an independent operator - Tawana - on site who will run faster than u if they smell something wrong. Tawana is conducing the drilling and feasibility study... now tats independence for u. And if u prefer to only buy into fully fair valued companies, that is your choice and risk profile ah. Mining co on hype.... LOL how many mining co u invested before? Dun hao lian lah. U check out hotcopper, the Aussie stock exchange half is bank stocks the other half resource stocks. Now those Aussies really familiar with mining stocks. U read their comments, learn from them before u talk abt mining stocks lah. Everybody free to contribute! But put in effort to learn first!
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 13:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4svMHnSeyHE Toyota going lithium too LOL |
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EmmGru
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30-Apr-2017 13:28
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I help u lah, u read this financial times article published 28 Mar 2017 - Japan gambles on Toyota' s hydrogen powered car - As rivals look to electric vehicles, the country' s leading carmaker is putting its faith in an alternative https://www.ft.com/content/328df346-10cb-11e7-a88c-50ba212dce4d Our bros here very objective and take balanced view one, its just that the points u raised are not well-researched or supportable so u get a backlash from the well-informed bro. Toyota is not a leader in EV...LOL... if u read the article u will see they missed the boat becos of reservations over the battery... and now trying to catch up via a difficult alternative hydrogen fuel cell technology to try to take back a lead. U r welcome to back Toyota if u like, the rest of the world back Tesla but u could get huge returns if Toyota pulls it off against all odds.... in Japan only.... while rest of world already on EV.
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 11:48
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Friday teased the company&rsquo s upcoming electric semi truck along with four new global Gigafactory locations. Musk gave attendees at the 2017 TED Conference in Vancouver a sneak peek at Tesla&rsquo s forthcoming semi truck, according to TechCrunch. While he didn&rsquo t reveal much, you could see that the windshield extends to the upper facade of the vehicle, while the headlights resemble ones seen on existing Tesla cars. Tesla' s electric semi truck will be " very spry," according to CEO Elon Musk. Join the conversation: Follow @SVbizjournal on Twitter, " Like" us on Facebookand sign up for our free email newsletters. " This will be a very spry truck," Musk said. &ldquo You can drive it around like a sports car." When Musk released the company&rsquo s &ldquo master plan&rdquo last July, he stated the need for Tesla' s electric cars to enter the trucking marketplace. &ldquo We believe the Tesla Semi will deliver a substantial reduction in the cost of cargo transport, while increasing safety and making it really fun to operate,&rdquo he said in 2016. The secretive CEO won&rsquo t provide a full look at the vehicle until September, but he expects it to outperform diesel-powered big rigs. Musk had dropped hints of his commercial trucking ambitions during the last few months and confirmed the project in early April. Jerome Guillen, Tesla' s vice president of programs, will lead the company' s semi truck product.
Palo Alto-based Tesla (NASDAQ: TSLA) will move fast on its semi truck plans in order to edge out the competition. Mercedes' parent company Daimler showed off its version of an electric truck in November, while Uber' s industrial-use vehicle division Otto also has been working on heavy-duty semi trucks that can drive themselves. In Gigafactory news, Musk said Friday that there will probably be as many as four new Gigafactory sites announced in 2017. Tesla has budgeted more than $5 billion for its massive factory in Nevada where it will build its Model 3 electric motors. The new sites will likely be constructed outside the U.S. " We need to address a global market," Musk told the TED audience. Musk recently meet with Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang. Electrek reportedthat the meetings might have involved talks around a Gigafactory site with investment from Chinese firm Tencent. The Nevada-based Gigafactory currently has a footprint of 1.9 million square feet, with 4.9 million square feet of operational space across several floors. In the future, the factory will have more than 10 million square feet of operational space and will be the largest building in the world when complete. The company anticipates that by 2018, &rdquo the Gigafactory will produce 35 GWh/year of lithium-ion battery cells, nearly as much as the rest of the entire world&rsquo s battery production combined.&rdquo I highlighted the Gigafactory in China with Tencent .... so china demand will surge and burwill will benfit from this demand |
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risktaker
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30-Apr-2017 11:11
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http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2017/04/28/tesla-semi-truck-elon-musk.html
Ya ya go on with ur hydrogen car... 1 distinct advantage is its just like a fuel station so pumping up fuel could be fast going to station.... but look for battery car u can charge it at home or ur car park and techology already advances so u can super charge ur battery in 30mins... why should u pay ur hydrogen fuel when solar charging station is free... It require millions to bult a station and car makers know that without hydrogen station they wont make the cars... no one wants to risk that kind of investment...also driving a hydrogen car is like driving a hydrogen bomb... thats why its been 30 years since people talking about hydrogen cell but it never work... telsa musk have explore that option.. I can tell u.... eletric charging station will allow u to swap ur battery lol u dont even have to charge...if ur travelling long distance... Lithium is the future at least for another 10 years..... show me the evidence that other battery will overtake lithium ... dont show me new tech.. u need to show me evidence ... ur speculating now..lol really waste of time.. |
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furnaces
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30-Apr-2017 11:08
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A technology that goes mainstream doesn' t necessarily be the best product in the category. Otherwise, EVs and 3D printing technology would have gone mainstream decades ago. One Hydrogen refueling stations cost millions to build. Even with major oil companies supporting it, it is unlikely to gain much traction much less mainstream. As long as Tesla and BYD stays on Lithium-ion batteries, the trend is likely set for the next decade. |
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Atom99
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30-Apr-2017 11:07
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All investors big or small,shortist,etc.
IAYOR andDYODD.You make gains or loss is your own decision to make. Read widely and research the company and its product do a SWOT analysis do not be sway by negative/ positive comments. I am vested.
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laksaman57
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30-Apr-2017 10:30
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http://www.chron.com/business/article/Hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-creep-up-slowly-11071126.php |
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