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Loyz Energy - Brewing ?
dav781
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 Alert Admin 		Everyone has to do their homework. I am vested and I am not hiding this fact. However, when I comment, it is based on facts and statistics. It is for everyone who read my posts to decide if I am biased or overstated.

1. Loyz has always owned only 20 percent of the Thai oil field. No change at all. Its results over the past 2 years were based on this 20 percent ownership. Now, it is merely venturing into a new business as O& G is unreliable and unpredictable. They did not say they are exiting the oil business.

2. I never bother to consider if loyz is a bad or good company. Or the management is good or not. I look at fundamentals and for every company, there is a price worth entering. The only companies I would avoid are those with the risk of going into receivership, like Noble.

3. I am not looking for a significant trend reversal or predicting the sky for Loyz. However, I am confident that it should be worth at least 1.5 cents based on current info available to all.

Some people like to talk down a share so that they can buy on the cheap. We must watch out for these people too :-)
 

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 18:38) Posted:

Loyz O&G stake is now 20% https://www.theedgesingapore.com/loyz-energy-diversify-fund-management-trading-og-assets-shrink

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 18:33) Posted:

Historically when ppl are trying to make rational analysis with evidence some ppl who are punters will push them with their bullish sentiments and comments which have a complete absence of logic, thats why some stocks which have a continuous downward slope chart formations manage to get new set of buyers at low points, these punters are temp figures who disappear once the stock plunges further. For loyz a small jump is quite possible but in a long run will it rise?When was the last time it had a significant trend reversal? Also the big question is will Loyz continue in the Oil business, correct me if wrong i think they have decided to not continue with Oil business and plan to move into a new line of business.
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03-Oct-2017 19:00     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Hmmm may i know from where in the article did it say they will not continue with oil business?

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 18:38) Posted:

Loyz O&G stake is now 20% https://www.theedgesingapore.com/loyz-energy-diversify-fund-management-trading-og-assets-shrink

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 18:33) Posted:

Historically when ppl are trying to make rational analysis with evidence some ppl who are punters will push them with their bullish sentiments and comments which have a complete absence of logic, thats why some stocks which have a continuous downward slope chart formations manage to get new set of buyers at low points, these punters are temp figures who disappear once the stock plunges further. For loyz a small jump is quite possible but in a long run will it rise?When was the last time it had a significant trend reversal? Also the big question is will Loyz continue in the Oil business, correct me if wrong i think they have decided to not continue with Oil business and plan to move into a new line of business.
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03-Oct-2017 18:54     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I never doubted Loyz' s NAV is overstated. But at 1.2 cents, its share price is less than 1/3 its NAV per share. That' s the key point here. For every share, there is a share price worth entering. I don' t care whether the company is good or bad.

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 17:57) Posted:

Who warned it would crashed through 0.015 when it was 0.02? Lol. All the best. If u make money, I will be happy for u. No problems. Good luck. I stop my objective comments here. Last advice, go do your dd on what comprise their NAV. You will be very worried if u find out.

bernardc      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 16:46) Posted:

rubbish analysis..
one moment say  safe buy at 9/10 price..
nextline say will crash to 5 on xr..
just rubbish...
twisted logic indeed
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 Alert Admin 		Loyz O&G stake is now 20% https://www.theedgesingapore.com/loyz-energy-diversify-fund-management-trading-og-assets-shrink

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 18:33) Posted:

Historically when ppl are trying to make rational analysis with evidence some ppl who are punters will push them with their bullish sentiments and comments which have a complete absence of logic, thats why some stocks which have a continuous downward slope chart formations manage to get new set of buyers at low points, these punters are temp figures who disappear once the stock plunges further. For loyz a small jump is quite possible but in a long run will it rise?When was the last time it had a significant trend reversal? Also the big question is will Loyz continue in the Oil business, correct me if wrong i think they have decided to not continue with Oil business and plan to move into a new line of business.
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 Alert Admin 		Historically when ppl are trying to make rational analysis with evidence some ppl who are punters will push them with their bullish sentiments and comments which have a complete absence of logic, thats why some stocks which have a continuous downward slope chart formations manage to get new set of buyers at low points, these punters are temp figures who disappear once the stock plunges further. For loyz a small jump is quite possible but in a long run will it rise?When was the last time it had a significant trend reversal? Also the big question is will Loyz continue in the Oil business, correct me if wrong i think they have decided to not continue with Oil business and plan to move into a new line of business.
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 Alert Admin 		Who warned it would crashed through 0.015 when it was 0.02? Lol. All the best. If u make money, I will be happy for u. No problems. Good luck. I stop my objective comments here. Last advice, go do your dd on what comprise their NAV. You will be very worried if u find out.

bernardc      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 16:46) Posted:

rubbish analysis..
one moment say  safe buy at 9/10 price..
nextline say will crash to 5 on xr..
just rubbish...
twisted logic indeed.

analysistar      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 15:29) Posted:

don't xia suey yourself if you do not understand how rights works. why take historical low instead of recent traded price or last traded price. i recommend you to read up more before you show off your twisted logic
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03-Oct-2017 17:32     
 
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As expected, strong demand at 1.1 cents to 0.9 cents. I expect this bugger to break 1.2 cents tomorrow and close at 1.3 cents. My gut feel :-)
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Information is updated as of Tue, October  03, 2017 at 05:24:05 PM 
 
Last Chng Vol(K) High Low
0.012 0.000 14,152.9 0.012 0.011
 
 
Bid Bid Vol Ask Ask Vol
0.011 25,925.8 0.012 6,809
0.010 26,394 0.013 9,608
0.009 22,382 0.014 19,204.8
0.008 16,990 0.015 8,634.3
0.007 2,121 0.016 8,289.7
0.006 120 0.017 3,050
0.005 650 0.018 1,710
0.004 180 0.019 460.1
0.003 200 0.020 1,450
0.002 1,499 0.021 2,100
0.001 1,000 0.022 210
-- -- 0.023 2,050
-- -- 0.024 2,215
-- -- 0.025 2,375
-- -- 0.026 3,450
-- -- 0.027 900
-- -- 0.028 250
-- -- 0.030 320
-- -- 0.031 160
-- -- 0.032 350
 
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dav781      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 17:18) Posted:

Aiyo. Let' s not say nasty things over Loyz. For the questions many of you raised, just go and look at the previous statements and announcements by the company and you will get a better picture. Let me answer a few:

1. The company was trading at 1.2 cents/1.3 cents last year when total outstanding shares than was less than one billion. This is right. But do you know why they issued more shares? To pay down its debts so that its balance sheet is much stronger now. Thus, last year, it had more debts but less shares outstanding. This year, it has less debts but more shares outstanding. All things being equal, you cannot say that its situation now is worse off than last year. And do you know what happened when was its share price was trading at 1.2 cents/1.3 cents last year? Oil price plunged. What is the oil price now?

2. Why 40% of rights issue need to be for working capital and operating expenses? Because its Thailand oil field need $$$ to explore more oil wells, so that future oil production can be higher. I agree that the company is low on cash now.

3. I agree that Loyz is small company and the total number of shares traded every day is not significant, in terms of $$$. I also agree that it is controlled by BBs or SSHs. That is why I am confident that this bugger will not drop below 1.1 cents, as the BBs and SSHs can easily step in. They need the rights issue to work in order to raise more money. If not, they will have to cancel the rights issue, which will lead to higher share price too.

My views :-)
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 Alert Admin 		Aiyo. Let' s not say nasty things over Loyz. For the questions many of you raised, just go and look at the previous statements and announcements by the company and you will get a better picture. Let me answer a few:

1. The company was trading at 1.2 cents/1.3 cents last year when total outstanding shares than was less than one billion. This is right. But do you know why they issued more shares? To pay down its debts so that its balance sheet is much stronger now. Thus, last year, it had more debts but less shares outstanding. This year, it has less debts but more shares outstanding. All things being equal, you cannot say that its situation now is worse off than last year. And do you know what happened when was its share price was trading at 1.2 cents/1.3 cents last year? Oil price plunged. What is the oil price now?

2. Why 40% of rights issue need to be for working capital and operating expenses? Because its Thailand oil field need $$$ to explore more oil wells, so that future oil production can be higher. I agree that the company is low on cash now.

3. I agree that Loyz is small company and the total number of shares traded every day is not significant, in terms of $$$. I also agree that it is controlled by BBs or SSHs. That is why I am confident that this bugger will not drop below 1.1 cents, as the BBs and SSHs can easily step in. They need the rights issue to work in order to raise more money. If not, they will have to cancel the rights issue, which will lead to higher share price too.

My views :-)
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03-Oct-2017 16:46     
 
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 Alert Admin 		rubbish analysis..
one moment say  safe buy at 9/10 price..
nextline say will crash to 5 on xr..
just rubbish...
twisted logic indeed.

analysistar      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 15:29) Posted:

don't xia suey yourself if you do not understand how rights works. why take historical low instead of recent traded price or last traded price. i recommend you to read up more before you show off your twisted logic.

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:36) Posted:

Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


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03-Oct-2017 16:43     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I don' t know why people are arguing over this. The total value trade for the past month is barely $2m. This is a small fish, even among pennies. 
Most people on forums don' t have the power to influence the share prices, it is fully controlled by BBs. 
Only $600k worth of shares for loyz was traded yesterday. BBs are holding way more than retailers. no point exercising right when price is lower or the same( exercising rights is only good when there is substantial discount)
Like what  dav781    has said. if price is too low 0.009-0.01. rights will fail or be cancelled. Why would anyone buy more dliuted shares at little-no discount.(Making rights issued futile, loyz has nothing to earn then) lose-lose situation for everyone.
Just enter/not after you dyodd.
 
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03-Oct-2017 16:05     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Your reaction is normal. Same like many RPG supporters when I commented RPG is junk. If you deem good, go ahead and buy more. Btw, if only they stick to the OG, I actually see more hope. OG macro is consolidating but they make a self-inflicting wrong move to go into new biz.

analysistar      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 15:29) Posted:

don't xia suey yourself if you do not understand how rights works. why take historical low instead of recent traded price or last traded price. i recommend you to read up more before you show off your twisted logic.

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:36) Posted:

Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


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03-Oct-2017 16:02     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Exactly, their operation is not cash flow accretive. It?s nit generating cash and hence shareholders are paying those suckers.

I have quoted historical low because it?s market-perceived value. The nav value is hollow. It?s much much much lower. My views.

Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 15:01) Posted:

40% rights proceed to be used for working capital and operating expenses, should these not be covered by revenue generated by the company?Why use rights money?

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:50) Posted:

Agree. But you have to study the management and the BB type. They are the 孤 寒 type and won?t easily let people earn their money. The rights proceeds will be used to pay their salaries and also enhance interest in their ?corporate exercise?. Loyz is just a vehicle enabler for THEIR wealth creation. Well, I hope I am wrong
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 Alert Admin 		don't xia suey yourself if you do not understand how rights works. why take historical low instead of recent traded price or last traded price. i recommend you to read up more before you show off your twisted logic.

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:36) Posted:

Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:18) Posted:

Another one in the list of stocks which have a big downward slope, i see no bottom for this one firstly it was already at 12-13 last year when outstanding shares were less than 1 billion,since then already increased outstanding shares by 50% and now plan to increase it by another 100% thats more than 3 fold in such a short period, on the other side SSH holding is significantly less, looking at other companies with outstanding shares in 3 billion+ range, its quite possible it goes really low and in the future stays in the sub 1 cent range.Looking at the earnings, i do not see a future potential unless some learned person can help understand how this company has a bright future.
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 Alert Admin 		40% rights proceed to be used for working capital and operating expenses, should these not be covered by revenue generated by the company?Why use rights money?

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:50) Posted:

Agree. But you have to study the management and the BB type. They are the 孤 寒 type and won?t easily let people earn their money. The rights proceeds will be used to pay their salaries and also enhance interest in their ?corporate exercise?. Loyz is just a vehicle enabler for THEIR wealth creation. Well, I hope I am wrong

vivacious      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:45) Posted:

wah sounds bad. But the shr mkt is a funny place...so u never know what will happe
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03-Oct-2017 13:57     
 
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 Alert Admin 		true. But remember it chionged up from 1.2 to 3.1 before coming down hard. Not unforeeable to see that happening again.

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:50) Posted:

Agree. But you have to study the management and the BB type. They are the 孤 寒 type and won?t easily let people earn their money. The rights proceeds will be used to pay their salaries and also enhance interest in their ?corporate exercise?. Loyz is just a vehicle enabler for THEIR wealth creation. Well, I hope I am wrong

vivacious      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:45) Posted:

wah sounds bad. But the shr mkt is a funny place...so u never know what will happe
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 Alert Admin 		Agree. But you have to study the management and the BB type. They are the 孤 寒 type and won?t easily let people earn their money. The rights proceeds will be used to pay their salaries and also enhance interest in their ?corporate exercise?. Loyz is just a vehicle enabler for THEIR wealth creation. Well, I hope I am wrong

vivacious      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:45) Posted:

wah sounds bad. But the shr mkt is a funny place...so u never know what will happen

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:36) Posted:

Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


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 Alert Admin 		wah sounds bad. But the shr mkt is a funny place...so u never know what will happen

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:36) Posted:

Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:18) Posted:

Another one in the list of stocks which have a big downward slope, i see no bottom for this one firstly it was already at 12-13 last year when outstanding shares were less than 1 billion,since then already increased outstanding shares by 50% and now plan to increase it by another 100% thats more than 3 fold in such a short period, on the other side SSH holding is significantly less, looking at other companies with outstanding shares in 3 billion+ range, its quite possible it goes really low and in the future stays in the sub 1 cent range.Looking at the earnings, i do not see a future potential unless some learned person can help understand how this company has a bright future.
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 Alert Admin 		Calculation for Perceived XR:
Quoting their historical Low: 0.012/0.013 (last year)
After doubling the share base, perceived XR price will be 0.006.

Unpredictable Geopolitical sentiments should bring it down to 0.005 XR. I might be positive of it if they remain solely on OG business now that it has changed goal posts.

New business is a big question and demand huge amount of cash. To make company look better, they may consolidate the share base. This is another potential falling off the cliff further.


Thinkvest      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:18) Posted:

Another one in the list of stocks which have a big downward slope, i see no bottom for this one firstly it was already at 12-13 last year when outstanding shares were less than 1 billion,since then already increased outstanding shares by 50% and now plan to increase it by another 100% thats more than 3 fold in such a short period, on the other side SSH holding is significantly less, looking at other companies with outstanding shares in 3 billion+ range, its quite possible it goes really low and in the future stays in the sub 1 cent range.Looking at the earnings, i do not see a future potential unless some learned person can help understand how this company has a bright future.
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03-Oct-2017 13:31     
 
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 Alert Admin 		rubbish is rubbish no matter how u put it ...

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:29) Posted:

I am talking about CR and XR. If rubbish, feel free to buy now.

bernardc      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:28) Posted:

safe to buy at .009/.01..??
next snetetence x rights tumble to 0.5 cts...
talking rubbish....it wont be safe if thats to happen
 
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 Alert Admin 		I am talking about CR and XR. If rubbish, feel free to buy now.

bernardc      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:28) Posted:

safe to buy at .009/.01..??
next snetetence x rights tumble to 0.5 cts...
talking rubbish....it wont be safe if thats to happen
 

Shifu8888      ( Date: 03-Oct-2017 13:23) Posted:

Agree totally. That?s why 0.9 to 1 cents is a safer entry price. Ex rights, will tumble to 0.5. Goner. Worse, Management treating it like atm now, freely issuing shares to ownself
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