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fundamentalhero Veteran	04-Jun-2020 04:19        fundamentalhero About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Yells: "I NEED HONEYS AND MONIES"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	that is because you are really green pewdiepie eht is exactly like midas s chips and less of hyflux in fact eht is more complex if you know a bit about valuation process company structuring andf etc which the big boys use to earn money off people. [ by which they successfully pulled it off ] also far east got no business here. don' t give fake news greenhorn. far east have their own problems
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PEWVAW Senior	04-Jun-2020 04:09        PEWVAW About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The comparisons with the likes of Midas, Hyflux and the S-Chips are baffling. Clearly EHT is much simpler. Hopefully Far East does come in and move quickly.
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Know-Your-Stuff Senior	04-Jun-2020 01:04        Know-Your-Stuff About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sgx hopeless. MSCI also run to.HK. Talk alot but no help.to. investors. S chips.many sweep under carpet, suspended and after many years send a paper scrip.to."inform" shareholders your share had been delisted aka all.your $$$ gone. All the investivations are wayang sop ask questions. Culprits happily enjoy their rotten wealth in some other countries.No response from authorities after EHT said need to use the balance cash to pay debts which i thot the bank accounts was frozen to help investors. Dont hope to get a single cent for the declared dividend. The balance $$$ all gone? Time heals your pain - strategy. Most of the IPO questionable. Cant meet US and HK criteria to list there but Sgx Boleh. Many retirees lost their life savings and chop.fingers. and history keep repeating for 20 yrs. EHT broke the world record as the fastest to bankrupt after IPO after they earn their million$ fees. Gd job the national exchange and national bank. Peter88      ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 14:53) Posted: If UC and DBS are one gang , whocan touch DBS ?
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QianDEY Member	03-Jun-2020 18:48        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes. UC and EHT are far worst. Never seen any counter suspended within a year since its listing. chengwh1      ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 16:50) Posted: Bro,... among listed companies, I view one more action as being more serious : breaches in material disclosures, ie not saying the important things for investors to make decisions, its various forms of actions and representations. QianDEY      ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 08:30) Posted: It was reported in the news that Hyflux and directors under criminal investigation for suspected false and misleading statements. The same should be for UC and EHT.
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Goldfinger Supreme	03-Jun-2020 17:19        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Midas people hiding in China?  Are any of them here still? For EHT - the Directors and Key Management are still here in SG. That is the difference. I think Hyflux Directors will be getting their day in Court too - no way the Big G guns all come together and turn up firing blanks. Too embarrassing. fundamentalhero      ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 15:04) Posted: lol doubt they can get anything on hyflux much less EHT you see midas, china minzhong, eratat, hong xin etc etc investigate until where? into womb ah if authorities want to show they can and will do things go settle previous cases first MIDAS and S-chips Vard courts indo agri low ball offers to claw back due to defiency in their listing laws hyflux noble ABL/BAL saga (umm the beauty thing also still pending) best world then finally EHT lol EHT laws are too complex to unpackage (especially dealing with inflated valuations on listings etc) china men too evil but EHT still is nothing MIDAS is the singular one of the biggest trophy assets also GG and no sound no colour from authorities and mazzars etc all act blur die father mother but nothing done. EHT holders don' t be hopeful you can hope for shot finger to do things though. he say he very have money lololol recommend him sue dbs.
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Calmroom Master	03-Jun-2020 16:52        Calmroom About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In my humble opinion, the trading suspension should be lifted. I feel it has become more like a trap. When the security deposit & distribution monies get used up, trapped investors might be asked for more cash to help UC pay continuing bills and taxes. The same reason could be cited: That Eagle hotels will deteriorate & lose their values if investors stop supplying money to keep things going :(
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chengwh1 Elite	03-Jun-2020 16:50        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro,... among listed companies, I view one more action as being more serious : breaches in material disclosures, ie not saying the important things for investors to make decisions, its various forms of actions and representations. QianDEY      ( Date: 03-Jun-2020 08:30) Posted: It was reported in the news that Hyflux and directors under criminal investigation for suspected false and misleading statements. The same should be for UC and EHT.
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fundamentalhero Veteran	03-Jun-2020 15:04        fundamentalhero About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Yells: "I NEED HONEYS AND MONIES"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	lol doubt they can get anything on hyflux much less EHT you see midas, china minzhong, eratat, hong xin etc etc investigate until where? into womb ah if authorities want to show they can and will do things go settle previous cases first MIDAS and S-chips Vard courts indo agri low ball offers to claw back due to defiency in their listing laws hyflux noble ABL/BAL saga (umm the beauty thing also still pending) best world then finally EHT lol EHT laws are too complex to unpackage (especially dealing with inflated valuations on listings etc) china men too evil but EHT still is nothing MIDAS is the singular one of the biggest trophy assets also GG and no sound no colour from authorities and mazzars etc all act blur die father mother but nothing done. EHT holders don' t be hopeful you can hope for shot finger to do things though. he say he very have money lololol recommend him sue dbs.
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Peter88 Senior	03-Jun-2020 14:53        Peter88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If UC and DBS are one gang , whocan touch DBS ?
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QianDEY Member	03-Jun-2020 08:30        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It was reported in the news that Hyflux and directors under criminal investigation for suspected false and misleading statements. The same should be for UC and EHT.
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QianDEY Member	01-Jun-2020 16:01        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Potentially the news today could be another blow to foreign Reit. Lippo had just announced that its rental subsidies is unsustainable and LKPK to initiate restructuring discussion on lease with First REIT.......having said the above, it is much transparent than EHT when everyone was caught off guarded with counter suspension without prior announcement of UC as a sponsor had failed its obligations in paying EHT. chengwh1      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 15:30) Posted: Yes bro,... I agree that if the risks are based on actual and honest possibility of failures, then such risks are justifiable, and irregular maneuvers and tactics should be apprehanded and clamped-down as much as possible. I wrote abt First REIT' s structure here earlier in this thread. Now the ' bomb has exploded' . uiop1223      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 07:50) Posted: Different risk appetite doesnt mean allow fraud. Like hospitality reits are more risky than say industrial or healthcare.. If EHT price fall due to zero revenue, i LL. Nothing to say. But this is knnccb.. didnt even make the first distribution! And so many insider selling. This is too much.
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chengwh1 Elite	01-Jun-2020 15:30        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes bro,... I agree that if the risks are based on actual and honest possibility of failures, then such risks are justifiable, and irregular maneuvers and tactics should be apprehanded and clamped-down as much as possible. I wrote abt First REIT' s structure here earlier in this thread. Now the ' bomb has exploded' . uiop1223      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 07:50) Posted: Different risk appetite doesnt mean allow fraud. Like hospitality reits are more risky than say industrial or healthcare.. If EHT price fall due to zero revenue, i LL. Nothing to say. But this is knnccb.. didnt even make the first distribution! And so many insider selling. This is too much. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,..
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Peter88 Senior	01-Jun-2020 15:02        Peter88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Higher risk appetite is for business risk , but for EHT , ths was a conjob from the begining . They plan this IPO to con the investors . uiop1223      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 07:50) Posted: Different risk appetite doesnt mean allow fraud. Like hospitality reits are more risky than say industrial or healthcare.. If EHT price fall due to zero revenue, i LL. Nothing to say. But this is knnccb.. didnt even make the first distribution! And so many insider selling. This is too much. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,..
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QianDEY Member	01-Jun-2020 12:37        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	UC is actually a little known short established (2008) real estate investment company and, Yes, the sponsor has integrity and governance issue. It seem they were off loading their liabilities onto EHT and skinning EHT all the way uiop1223      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 07:50) Posted: Different risk appetite doesnt mean allow fraud. Like hospitality reits are more risky than say industrial or healthcare.. If EHT price fall due to zero revenue, i LL. Nothing to say. But this is knnccb.. didnt even make the first distribution! And so many insider selling. This is too much. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,..
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Goldfinger Supreme	01-Jun-2020 12:25        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Personally - I think unfortunate that EHT is now suspended.  Remember this was done at the bottom of the market panic due to COVID, though the UC news did not yet break. But the sell down then was swift and furious. Given the REIT rally of late and the easing of the Covid pandemic and lockdown measures, the EHT prices may not be at the last done anymore.
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QianDEY Member	01-Jun-2020 12:15        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Reported in BT today. There could be another big event boiling on FIRST REITS sponsor's MLA. "Lippo Karawaci said the level of subsidies it provides First Reit is "prohibiting spending to expand medical care and improve medical facilities across Indonesia". It added: "These (rebate) restructuring discussions reflect the government of Indonesia's declaration of the current situation as a national disaster and extraordinary event." The pandemic has dealt a blow to Siloam's business as patient volumes declined drastically across Indonesia, with revenues in some hospitals down 40 to 50 per cent year on year. "We anticipate the impact to be significant and structural over the medium term," Lippo Karawaci said. Lippo Karawaci added that its rental support agreements, which were entered into over the past 10 years and contain a currency peg component, are now under additional pressure due to the rupiah?s depreciation. Not accounting for Covid-19 revenue drop, rentals for Lippo Karawaci's hospitals came in at a weighted average of close to 40 per cent of each hospital?s gross operating revenue, a figure the real estate developer said was "unrealistic to sustain and support". Lippo Karawaci is First Reit's former parent company. It completed the divestment of its 10.5 per cent stake in First Reit in Q1 2020. Lippo Karawaci began selling the stake in the second quarter of 2019 as part of the management's strategy to dispose of "non-strategic" assets" chengwh1      ( Date: 01-Jun-2020 00:41) Posted: I certainly hoped you are right abt MNACT. On MUST - it was the first US REIT listed in our SGX. I noticed it tries its best to engage with investors,... I continue to carry the conviction that it would want to do its best for unitholders,... if it is able to. But after saying this,... I am also worried of its dropping dpu due to increasing number of units issued from its ongoing EFR activities. I will not be taking further pandemic reshuffling actions onto MUST units, ie not adding but not reducing too. QianDEY      ( Date: 31-May-2020 23:08) Posted: There are few SGX listed foreign REITs (either 100% or partially foreign exposure) are either currently underperform or delisted from SGX. Examples Lippo Indonesia Mall, OUE , Saizen, Allco (sold to Frasers- FCOT), Macquarie MP (sold to YTL -STARHILL)... One good example is how Frasers restructured and revitalised Allco REITs from a destressed REIT to what it was now (FCOT -before the recent mergers.) 💰 💰 💰 ..... As for MNACT, I believe the situation is temporary and very much depends on HK/China development. So long as the business has any foreign elements， it always attach with political risk, geographical risk, currency risk , jurisdiction risk and etc.....My portfolio also includes MUST merely because of the sponsor. Hope it does not turn out like EHT
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uiop1223 Supreme	01-Jun-2020 07:50        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Different risk appetite doesnt mean allow fraud. Like hospitality reits are more risky than say industrial or healthcare.. If EHT price fall due to zero revenue, i LL. Nothing to say. But this is knnccb.. didnt even make the first distribution! And so many insider selling. This is too much. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,... QianDEY      ( Date: 31-May-2020 00:09) Posted: Different companies listed are meant for different kind of investors and with different risk appetite. Personally, I will always go for known and reputable sponsor. ...There are however some good foreign sponsor but is of little known to us.. .Anything that I don't know I don't invest and getting myself into EHT is another lesson for me.
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chengwh1 Elite	01-Jun-2020 00:41        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I certainly hoped you are right abt MNACT. On MUST - it was the first US REIT listed in our SGX. I noticed it tries its best to engage with investors,... I continue to carry the conviction that it would want to do its best for unitholders,... if it is able to. But after saying this,... I am also worried of its dropping dpu due to increasing number of units issued from its ongoing EFR activities. I will not be taking further pandemic reshuffling actions onto MUST units, ie not adding but not reducing too. QianDEY      ( Date: 31-May-2020 23:08) Posted: There are few SGX listed foreign REITs (either 100% or partially foreign exposure) are either currently underperform or delisted from SGX. Examples Lippo Indonesia Mall, OUE , Saizen, Allco (sold to Frasers- FCOT), Macquarie MP (sold to YTL -STARHILL)... One good example is how Frasers restructured and revitalised Allco REITs from a destressed REIT to what it was now (FCOT -before the recent mergers.) 💰 💰 💰 ..... As for MNACT, I believe the situation is temporary and very much depends on HK/China development. So long as the business has any foreign elements， it always attach with political risk, geographical risk, currency risk , jurisdiction risk and etc.....My portfolio also includes MUST merely because of the sponsor. Hope it does not turn out like EHT. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,..
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QianDEY Member	31-May-2020 23:08        QianDEY About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There are few SGX listed foreign REITs (either 100% or partially foreign exposure) are either currently underperform or delisted from SGX. Examples Lippo Indonesia Mall, OUE , Saizen, Allco (sold to Frasers- FCOT), Macquarie MP (sold to YTL -STARHILL)... One good example is how Frasers restructured and revitalised Allco REITs from a destressed REIT to what it was now (FCOT -before the recent mergers.) 💰 💰 💰 ..... As for MNACT, I believe the situation is temporary and very much depends on HK/China development. So long as the business has any foreign elements， it always attach with political risk, geographical risk, currency risk , jurisdiction risk and etc.....My portfolio also includes MUST merely because of the sponsor. Hope it does not turn out like EHT. chengwh1      ( Date: 31-May-2020 18:34) Posted: Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,... QianDEY      ( Date: 31-May-2020 00:09) Posted: Different companies listed are meant for different kind of investors and with different risk appetite. Personally, I will always go for known and reputable sponsor. ...There are however some good foreign sponsor but is of little known to us.. .Anything that I don't know I don't invest and getting myself into EHT is another lesson for me.
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chengwh1 Elite	31-May-2020 18:34        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, it is obvious that there are diff kinds of investors and diff risk appetites. But I dare say that what we are discussing here would certainly be applicable to ALL REIT investors, incl the instos. REIT investors exist for a very important reason,... being safety. This evening, as we discuss abt SG REITs with foreign assets,... I came across this para in MUST' s latest document on updates for the recent eAGM. Under the section for ' Covid-19 Updates' , the following para appeares :- " In addition, it is important to note that, unlike Singapore REITs, MUST is obliged under the terms of its Trust Deed to pay out a minimum of 90% of its income, and is not permitted to defer its distributions for the next 12 months." This is good. Hence,... foreign REITs may not be all bad after all. I have learnt my lessons too, bro,... and as of now, I am still trapped by MNACT,... QianDEY      ( Date: 31-May-2020 00:09) Posted: Different companies listed are meant for different kind of investors and with different risk appetite. Personally, I will always go for known and reputable sponsor. ...There are however some good foreign sponsor but is of little known to us.. .Anything that I don't know I don't invest and getting myself into EHT is another lesson for me. chengwh1      ( Date: 30-May-2020 23:37) Posted: Tq QD,.. for the detailed infos on the REIT sponsors and REIT mgrs for those three REITs you listed down. I would agree partially with the statement of having a strong sponsor is important. But f the sponsor is not a reputable SG company with good governance record, how is it then ?
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