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28-Dec-2013 15:31
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You made a big mistake, which you will realize later at the continuation & end of my prediction due to taking some small profits.
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28-Dec-2013 15:28
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1 Advise for you: You must take the 2 FCL.                             Details will be furnished later.
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28-Dec-2013 15:11
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I forecast on 30 Dec- many people will have mixed views and take different position. So each to his own. Certainly, my view is still hold. [Reason will be provided at end of my prediction, but not now] There may be fall or rise of F& N price, but i have my reason to hold :) |
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28-Dec-2013 14:17
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Updated of a clearer & shorter version F& N prediction of Event Unfolding before it happens: 11 Nov- F& N closed at      $5.77. I forecasted that  market default doesn't affect anything. As more bondholders resist, the more attractive F& N stock  appears to shareholders.  Because of the switch acquisition by Charoen, he unlocked the profitability in the F & N and distributed to all shareholders. [At this point, a lot people feared if F& N will default?] 14 Nov-  I reemphasized that  I can't find a better person than Charoen. Profits are shared. Look at VardHolding, & its a different case. After acquisition, no dividend. 16 Nov-  I debated with Teeth53 & provided valuable information. One of the biggest shareholder, Charoen, is just restructuring its debts due to paid at $9.50 at the price when buying F & N shares. The issuance of 2 FCL shares per F& N share, is to increase Charoen value & thereby also increasing shareholders value.Bondholders resistance will be little of significant as 100% of all shareholders passed meeting of issuing 2 FCL per F& N share.  (2 Days Later from my 11 Nov Prediction) Do you think 2 FCL + 1 F& N share will be less or more than current price?  (I give hints but nobody took it seriously) Despite several persistence by Teeth53, I reanswered:      The market only holds % lower than biggest shareholders. Majority% still lies in biggest shareholders. If vested players, consist of minor shareholding % battling out, while  future value being unlocked is imminent. Who will benefit most?            Teeth53 argued on the debt restricting, I answered: Debt restructure is the debt F& N boss loaned to buy. The basic structure of beverage, property, printing remains intact and is profitable. The bone you talking about is the spliting of FCL, while the meat remains intact (FCL & Beverage + Printing) at shareholders hands. As  FCL + F& N still belongs to shareholders. It only undermine bondholders. Overall, value unlocked means  profitability  to F& N boss and Shareholders. Teeth53 questioned another volatile in play?, I answered: The  market will not be a deciding factor. The  F& N boss's decision will. The value of F& N is going to be unlocked, and the future prospect will depend on how majority of F& N biggest boss and majority of FCL biggest boss manage their business. F& N will probably  try restructure bondholders by paying them $$$ and discontinue loan  (Prediction before happen), thus reducing company loans. In share, majority of shareholders have biggest say but not bondholders.            Teeth53 reargued that      "           ThaiBev (Y92.SG) and TCC Assets, with a combined    90.3%    (F& N stake), have until July 19 to restore the free float."       I answered: Because the Combined % from largest amounted to 90.3%, the biggest beneficial will be ThaiBev and TCC Assets. The next will be remaining 9.7% of market will still benefit.  Strategic review is meant for future operating, and Unlocking value likely to happen in near-term.(Accurately predict Unlocking Value before it happen) Teeth53 reargued that Myanmar military issue & Disposal of APB issue, I reanswered: If NAV is $8.80, why do largest shareholder buy at $9.50? If largest shareholder do not have confident business in F& N's benefits will cover $9.50, he wouldn't be buying. So at even the current price of $5.80, you are still buying lesser than the largest shareholder.  (Accurately predict F& N rising Value before it happen)  If largest shareholder have nothing to fear, why should minor shareholder fear? The theory is simple, the largest shareholder combined percentage hit 90%. Do you think the remaining 10% will affect the outcome?  The profitability depends on largest shareholder's decision, and it will  be imminent unlocking of value 2 FCL begins before public buying take place.    (Accurately predict when F& N buying take place before it happen) 17 Nov-  I reemphasized that: This battle is not player vs player, as merely 10%.     Its a battle Combined 2 Shareholders (90%) taking steps to improve their value, & unlocking further potential to benefit them (they are biggest beneficial),  thereby also benefiting the small shareholders (10%) BondHolders are merely lending money, Shareholders got enough fund from retained earning to give them back. If you are not aware, Cash Earning is almost 1 billion a year. For 2014 dividend of 0.12, approximately 2 billion had been for forkout from retained earning to distribute to shareholder.            Teeth, as you refused the truth that  giving of 2FCL, but it will be imminent.  (Accurately predict 2FCL issuing will be imminent   before it happens) Mr. Charoen  intends to reduce his stake to a range to 88%,  from 90.3% currently.  (Accurately predict reduction Charoen will reduce stake to 88%) To comply with SGX rule for listing FCL in which 12% must be obtained in the hands of public. So situation now is   Public: 9.7%   Buyer-Charoen sold to: 2.3%   Mr Charoen: 88% http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304799404579152810197413736 Fraser and Neave is looking to buy back or redeem S$808.25 million worth of bonds.  (Event of BondBuying intention was announced which was predicted previously) http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/singapore/f-n-bondholders-face/884288.html The consent exercise for F& N bondholders ends on Tuesday, and there  are six bonds the company wants to redeem. If bondholders fail to approve the spin-off and the company proceeds with it, this would trigger a technical default and allow creditors to demand immediate repayment of the bonds at par value. The situation is also complicated as there are six different tranches of bonds at stake My Opinion: BondHolder issue can be resolved by $$$.  (I firmly hold my prediction)                       Whether or not BondHolder approve, F& N can proceed by redeeming back the bonds by payment back immediately. BondHolder    can delay  the listing of 2 FCL, but    cannot impact the outcome.  (I predicted the future) Ultimately, if bondholders disagree. BondHolder can sue, but  F& N can buy back bonds at par value. In the end, it won't do BondHolder good, as interest is missed out. Currently, the stock of F& N is precious as only  9.7% is owned by public. This determines only  small % of people will benefit from this spinoff, however it is not impossible  for those who have position in F& N.  (I predicted who will benefits from F& N spinoff) My prediction is that those who buy F& N,    will gain sustain benefits once the spinoff of 2FCL begins. 1 F& N + 2 FCL 's value is certainly to be  more than $6.    (I predicted the future value) FYI:  $6 is only a minimum line.         I already have the value of 1 F& N + 2 FCL in mind. I will not speak off, as it up to different people holding 1 F& N & 2 FCL to decide, at what time is best and most appropriate to sell. It can  stretch way further than $6, depends on how you strategize these 3 stocks @ what time. Kindly note all my information is used as reference, & not to be used in anybody buy or sell.            He is forced to reduce, not he intend to reduce. Because listing of FCL will require 12% to be maintained in hands of Public. Thus 90.3% to  88% is confirm.    (I give assurance before announcement was made on 12 Dec)        18 Nov- There is one other point worth noting: The revelation by  F& N chairman Lee Hsien Yang, together with board members Timothy Chia, Tan Chong Meng and Nicky Tan, that they plan to hold onto their shares  unless Charoen?s offer turns unconditional.  All these suggest that even at S$8.88 a share, there may still be value to be unlocked in F& N shares.            http://www.nationmultimedia.com/business/More-value-to-be-unlocked-in-F& N-shares-30192217.html        1 Dec- FYI: 100%-12%= 88% (Maximum he can hold)         His total state 90.3% to 88% (Difference 2.3%) He is forced to reduce, not he intend to reduce. Because listing of FCL will require 12% to be maintained in hands of Public. Thus 90.3% to  88% is confirm.    (I re-give assurance before announcement was made on 12 Dec)                  Out of 5 bondholders, only 2 bondholders opposed. On 29 Nov, a re-meeting is scheduled & F& N      fully paid the 2 bondholders with interests. So now,        bond issue are resolved on 29 Nov.(Prediction of Future Event Actualized) 4 Dec-  i foresee    huge room  for F& N share price to grow..(Prediction of Future Share Price Growth) - The 2 FCL waiting to be released - The 2014 dividend waiting to be released - Hospital Trusts waiting to be released The decision of biggest shareholders will be a key to F& N share price. 6 Dec-      Hospital Trust would be in 2014 onward, as details haven't been covered by largest shareholder yet. This will most likely add value to the earnings of F& N. If to give to shareholder, it is up to largest shareholder's decision. 11 Dec- F& N destiny depends on biggest shareholder decision.  Unlocking of 2 FCL should be expedited  to serve shareholders well.  (Prediction of 2FCL to be expedited before it happen for best value) 12 Dec- The biggest shareholder, CHAROEN, had finally reduced total share to 87.93%, allowing 12% public float for the listing of 2 FCL. It is wise that        2 FCL be as fast as possible  to implement to create the best, & highest profit valuation of F& N + 2 FCL. It is best to be implemented within 1 week from today.(Prediction of best valuation but largest shareholder was a bit later) 14 Dec- It is best the largest shareholder announce the implementation 2 FCL swiftly.  Any delay will affect the overall valuation  &   Any swift implementation will bring the overall valuation to the best valuation.  18 Dec-  F& N overall valuation continues to lie in the hands of largest shareholder. There is hesitation as well as a need to implement release of 2 FCL- Duration of implementation will affect overall valuation. There is a  possible trend of slowly recovering F& N price. I continue to maintain my forecast of    the value of 1 F& N + 2 FCL = $6/ Higher.  Thus,  F& N price remains a fairly attractive price.    Among all the big cap stocks, F& N remains well positioned in market & is fairly solid with future potential value untapped. 24 Dec-  It will be actualized soon. $6 is minimum as predicted, while the maximum is unknown.               As forecasted, & its potential is waiting to be shown. F& N remains the best among all big cap stocks.                 Market closed at      $5.97    My prediction (17 Nov)- Those who buy F& N,    will gain sustain benefits once the spinoff of 2FCL begins.    1 F& N + 2 FCL 's value is certainly to be more than $6.      26 Dec Closing-      F& N closed at    $6.20 27 Dec before market open- I forecasted F& N share price to rise higher 27 Dec Closing-      F& N closed at    $6.38 |
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MetalTrader
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28-Dec-2013 14:11
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Updated of a clearer & shorter version |
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richsoh
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28-Dec-2013 13:50
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Price very difficult to predict for F& N N FCL (low liquidity) depend on Char.../Thai Bv  also Market sentiment my view most likely F& N=S$1.35-S$1.45 FCL=S$2.80-S$3.00 as lots off events will be unfold 2014 for F& N(Time Pub once listed in sgx)/Thai Bv N FCL   LOL |
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MetalTrader
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28-Dec-2013 13:10
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I know the price but i will not reveal yet. The answer is near & in future. There is a simple saying: " Those that are fated to profit from F& N will make profits, while those that are not fated will not" If you make your own evaluation of price, then stick by your evaluation. However, i have my own set of evaluation price.
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i_love_girls
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28-Dec-2013 07:38
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$3 - $4?
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MetalTrader
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28-Dec-2013 02:13
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I can assure you even after issuing of 2FCL, F&N price will still be higher than you expect, a lot higher :)
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triphopper
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27-Dec-2013 23:34
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A few questions:  1)  Opening price for FCL: Wouldn't FCL have only 12% free float upon listing? If that is so, due to its low liquidity, shouldn't supply outstrip demand i.e. push up the opening price.  On the other hand, although NAV of FCL is $2.04,  this  is not a good indicator of how FCL will  open on its first day. Most property counters trade at a discount to its NAV, don't they? If that is the case,  what is the market expecting it to open?  2) XE price of FNN: If the opening price of FCL is uncertain, how will  this be factored into the XE price of FNN on Mon? Also,  I  believe  NAV is not a good indicator here. This is further complicated by the 12c dividend coming in Feb as well as the impending capital reduction exercise. Any experts out there can enlighten me on the above?    |
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i_love_girls
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27-Dec-2013 23:04
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When the stock is not attracting a lot of attention, which is during the $5.5 - 5.6 range, that is the time to whack hard on the stock! At the current situation, it is still possible to earn money based on metal trader's analysis but the amount earned will not be as shiok as buying it at  $5.5 - 5.6 range. As I am a small investor, I can only wait until after the listing of FCL in order to purchase the F& N share as it will be around the $1 - 2 range. Some may say that the deal may not be attractive! But come on, I am just a small investor with small sum of money! HAHA
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Markie
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27-Dec-2013 23:04
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I expect the bullish setup to extend till XE.
When both stocks trade separately, in fact, we might also get to see some strong buys or sells depending on how investors view each individual stock, namely frasers centre point or F and N . A few possibilities may occur. (1) investors keen to only invest in one of the above securities and have chose not to invest previously in F and N before entitlement may choose to enter after XE, which may indicate strong buys. (2) investors currently invested and hold after XE may decide to continue to hold or to do portfolio adjustments by either selling all of their f and n shares or divest in one stock to put money into another, depending on which stock they are confidence of holding. Thus, there is possible further upside to current f and n stock price. As for after XE, I expect corporate activities to continue to drive stock prices in the medium term, where frasers centre point look forward to its commercial listing and it's beverage listed stock looks towards expanding its business through acquisitions, as spelt out earlier in their circular for the purpose of having two separately listed investment vehicles in the first place dated earlier this year |
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danytan
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27-Dec-2013 22:10
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share ur reasons? thanks.
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i_love_girls
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27-Dec-2013 19:35
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The golden opportunity is gone! The deal on Monday will not be as good as the previous days! | ||||
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MetalTrader
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27-Dec-2013 16:52
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I will give another update later. Looks like some bystanders worry about the wrong thing @ the wrong time. Profits gain is right ahead. | ||||
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WanSiTong
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27-Dec-2013 16:36
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In theory, I don't think you should add the 42c as NAV after Ex of the capital reduction (CR) will be reduced to $ 1.275 See July 13 after ex of the CR of $3.28 , F& N share px also dropped accordingly.   
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27-Dec-2013 16:01
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Found this presentation: http://infopub.sgx.com/FileOpen/Investor-Presentation-DIS-Overview.ashx?App=Announcement&FileID=254081 1 F&N Share: = 1.695 1 FCL Share: = 2.04 Hence: 1.695 + (2.04 x 2) = 5.775 Throw in the capital reduction given: 5.775 + 0.42 = 6.195 In essence the current price is on the expensive side. Will wait for ex-date, see how then go in. Meantime, I'd rather hang on to hard cash. | ||||
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27-Dec-2013 15:43
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Yup
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danytan
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27-Dec-2013 15:29
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if so then current px has gone up a lot
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WanSiTong
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27-Dec-2013 15:14
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NAV After EX : $1.695
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