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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Dec-2015 08:11        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I' m not so sure abt US economy going ounter to rest of the world.  But if that' s usually the case, n if the rest of the world pick up (which I think has a good chance with all the heavy doses of monetary n other measures being administered), then then US will gostan in no time.  Sure hosay liao .... reset to QE mode, USD retreats n stock mkts pumped up sky high again.    Hmmmm, something optimistic to look forward to.  Just hope if it really happens, this hopeless sgx can also get out of ICU.  yNotcool      ( Date: 14-Dec-2015 07:48) Posted: US enconmy is in a goldlilock state and this interest rate alone be it 0.25 or 0.50 pcts increase will still have negative effect on growth. And from previous record US economy tends to go into a recession 11 months after a rate hike coupled with the fact that US economy in general moves in counter direction to the rest of the world' s economical health. comes next possible earliest rate hike date of march 2016, market should see that US cannot substain a subsequent hike and the fear should slowly die off. Ambiguity removed in the market, hopefully outlook will starts to lean towards growth.
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yNotcool Member	14-Dec-2015 07:48        yNotcool About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	US enconmy is in a goldlilock state and this interest rate alone be it 0.25 or 0.50 pcts increase will still have negative effect on growth. And from previous record US economy tends to go into a recession 11 months after a rate hike coupled with the fact that US economy in general moves in counter direction to the rest of the world' s economical health. comes next possible earliest rate hike date of march 2016, market should see that US cannot substain a subsequent hike and the fear should slowly die off. Ambiguity removed in the market, hopefully outlook will starts to lean towards growth.
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ecekca Elite	14-Dec-2015 07:48        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	no matter what yellen says i only see my mortgage loan rates rising from 1% to 1.7% already...which means corporate will also have seen their interest rate rising too too much debts in the market.. the debts are even much more than 2008.. how to deleverage Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Dec-2015 07:39) Posted: Yes, this cld turn out to be a catalyst for continuing to squeeze the condemn spore mkt - how US interest rates will play out in 2016, ie, how Yellen yells or whispers.  Impending FOMC this wk likely no longer an issue.  But if Yellen hints that FED is on course for more tightening in 2016, then guaranteed, out of 250 sgx trading days in 2016, abt 200 wld be down due to FED worries.  HazardKoh      ( Date: 14-Dec-2015 00:04) Posted: interest rate hike priced in already BUT what Yellen says after the FED meeting is NOT priced in yet. If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be the only one (oneoff)  and it will take a considerable long time before the 2nd one.. then market will chiong  200+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be one of a series of rate hikes in the next year or two, then market will drop 300+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point towards 3-4% normalisation (Yellen setting a  target for interest  rate)  , then market will drop 200+ points If yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point followed by other rate hikes depending on data, then market will be muted drop or rise 100+ points
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ecekca Elite	14-Dec-2015 07:45        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	liquidity issue on high yield bonds going to be another factor for price drop latebird      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 23:52) Posted: A remisier of PS told me that interest hike probably already priced into the market, does it mean the actual hike is going to have another drastic effect on the market?  stkoh78      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 11:51) Posted: I remember 2 month ago when Fed said that there is no increase in interest hike . The market also crashed like no tomorrow. interest hike also crash . No interest hike also crash .
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Dec-2015 07:39        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, this cld turn out to be a catalyst for continuing to squeeze the condemn spore mkt - how US interest rates will play out in 2016, ie, how Yellen yells or whispers.  Impending FOMC this wk likely no longer an issue.  But if Yellen hints that FED is on course for more tightening in 2016, then guaranteed, out of 250 sgx trading days in 2016, abt 200 wld be down due to FED worries.  HazardKoh      ( Date: 14-Dec-2015 00:04) Posted: interest rate hike priced in already BUT what Yellen says after the FED meeting is NOT priced in yet. If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be the only one (oneoff)  and it will take a considerable long time before the 2nd one.. then market will chiong  200+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be one of a series of rate hikes in the next year or two, then market will drop 300+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point towards 3-4% normalisation (Yellen setting a  target for interest  rate)  , then market will drop 200+ points If yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point followed by other rate hikes depending on data, then market will be muted drop or rise 100+ points     latebird      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 23:52) Posted: A remisier of PS told me that interest hike probably already priced into the market, does it mean the actual hike is going to have another drastic effect on the market?
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HazardKoh Master	14-Dec-2015 00:04        HazardKoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	interest rate hike priced in already BUT what Yellen says after the FED meeting is NOT priced in yet. If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be the only one (oneoff)  and it will take a considerable long time before the 2nd one.. then market will chiong  200+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be one of a series of rate hikes in the next year or two, then market will drop 300+ points If Yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point towards 3-4% normalisation (Yellen setting a  target for interest  rate)  , then market will drop 200+ points If yellen says this interest rate hike will be a starting point followed by other rate hikes depending on data, then market will be muted drop or rise 100+ points     latebird      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 23:52) Posted: A remisier of PS told me that interest hike probably already priced into the market, does it mean the actual hike is going to have another drastic effect on the market?  stkoh78      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 11:51) Posted: I remember 2 month ago when Fed said that there is no increase in interest hike . The market also crashed like no tomorrow. interest hike also crash . No interest hike also crash .
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latebird Member	13-Dec-2015 23:52        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	A remisier of PS told me that interest hike probably already priced into the market, does it mean the actual hike is going to have another drastic effect on the market?  stkoh78      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 11:51) Posted: I remember 2 month ago when Fed said that there is no increase in interest hike . The market also crashed like no tomorrow. interest hike also crash . No interest hike also crash .
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latebird Member	13-Dec-2015 22:32        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, we are all here to share, no right or wrong. Let us hope market gets better this coming week as it has been quite depressing.  ecekca      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 21:49) Posted: we are all sharing our views here. not like other post in the forums, people get upset just because you are not in the same direction as them.. yeah,i also go through my mistakes and realised it. and i still learning my mistakes...   Qanghoo      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 18:32) Posted: N I think whether we cut loss or stick on, again, is our personal call.  I believe the pt some brothers here is trying to make is cut now n re-enter at probably at lower px with some loose change.  Here again, it' d one' s judgement cos sometimes, it' s easier said than done.  On the other hand, I, for one, had regretted not cutting loss first n returning later.  So, no right or wrong, just what we feel is best for ourselves.
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ecekca Elite	13-Dec-2015 21:49        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	we are all sharing our views here. not like other post in the forums, people get upset just because you are not in the same direction as them.. yeah,i also go through my mistakes and realised it. and i still learning my mistakes...   Qanghoo      ( Date: 13-Dec-2015 18:32) Posted: N I think whether we cut loss or stick on, again, is our personal call.  I believe the pt some brothers here is trying to make is cut now n re-enter at probably at lower px with some loose change.  Here again, it' d one' s judgement cos sometimes, it' s easier said than done.  On the other hand, I, for one, had regretted not cutting loss first n returning later.  So, no right or wrong, just what we feel is best for ourselves.  latebird      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 17:45) Posted: Of course we all bear our own investment risks, trusting oneself always better than trusting others. Anyway my loss for Noble was just a few hundred bucks, really negligible.
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Qanghoo Supreme	13-Dec-2015 18:32        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	N I think whether we cut loss or stick on, again, is our personal call.  I believe the pt some brothers here is trying to make is cut now n re-enter at probably at lower px with some loose change.  Here again, it' d one' s judgement cos sometimes, it' s easier said than done.  On the other hand, I, for one, had regretted not cutting loss first n returning later.  So, no right or wrong, just what we feel is best for ourselves.  latebird      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 17:45) Posted: Of course we all bear our own investment risks, trusting oneself always better than trusting others. Anyway my loss for Noble was just a few hundred bucks, really negligible. ecekca      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 16:51) Posted: mate, you are your own portfolio mgr so you the mgr who make the call we are like your portfolio analyst...LOL
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latebird Member	12-Dec-2015 17:45        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Of course we all bear our own investment risks, trusting oneself always better than trusting others. Anyway my loss for Noble was just a few hundred bucks, really negligible. ecekca      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 16:51) Posted: mate, you are your own portfolio mgr so you the mgr who make the call we are like your portfolio analyst...LOL latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:13) Posted: I listened to one joker in the past (veteran) to cut loss for Noble n it rebounded a week later. I tell myself that i can afford to lose $6150 this time round, I am not going to cut loss even if it means holding on for the next 10 years.
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ecekca Elite	12-Dec-2015 16:54        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	market risk cannot be avoid but hyflux got company risk too.. fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:20) Posted: Ya, if market rebounds and this one still like that then can cut lah. But now almost all counters in STI are dropping to their multi years low, so can' t be sure is problem with this counter only or the whole market, may still have a chance to bound back. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario
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ecekca Elite	12-Dec-2015 16:52        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	wahh, another big player.. apparently alot of big players here. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario   fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:54) Posted: Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.
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ecekca Elite	12-Dec-2015 16:51        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	mate, you are your own portfolio mgr so you the mgr who make the call we are like your portfolio analyst...LOL latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:13) Posted: I listened to one joker in the past (veteran) to cut loss for Noble n it rebounded a week later. I tell myself that i can afford to lose $6150 this time round, I am not going to cut loss even if it means holding on for the next 10 years. ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:34) Posted: better cut loss .. cos it reaching 0.5 soon
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ecekca Elite	12-Dec-2015 16:49        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	it depend on whether you want to lose some or lose more just like me at noble, i can cut loss at 1.4 then don' t want to cut, then cut at 0.8 and now noble 0.40 fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:54) Posted: Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.   ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:33) Posted: That' s a big holding.....better cut loss now
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ecekca Elite	12-Dec-2015 16:47        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	then it' s more company issue   stkoh78      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 11:51) Posted: I remember 2 month ago when Fed said that there is no increase in interest hike . The market also crashed like no tomorrow. interest hike also crash . No interest hike also crash .
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stkoh78 Member	12-Dec-2015 11:51        stkoh78 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I remember 2 month ago when Fed said that there is no increase in interest hike . The market also crashed like no tomorrow. interest hike also crash . No interest hike also crash .
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ShowMeMoneyp Member	12-Dec-2015 11:32        ShowMeMoneyp About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	More than interest hike, everyone has seen that coming so that should be priced in. I think it is more the debt market is worried about.   On the other hand, it is a potential stock to make big money from, IF going in at the right time.
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lglg666 Supreme	12-Dec-2015 11:06        lglg666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yeah....spot on! Crash will spare no counter whether big or small. At the moment, we are looking at a price correction due to the coming "Fed meeting and rate hike issue". Once it's over...things may go back to normal again and we will totally forget about this "fearful" moment becoz we will be too busy with the Xmas/CNY rally. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:27) Posted: I just saying if a crash is coming, no counters are spared. Even if Hyflux is like what u say " protected" , share price will still kana whacked down. I mean if u see a big crash coming, is not really wise to hold on right? can cut and buy back cheaper.. I not saying a crash will come, i just saying in 2009, alot of ppl also said the same thing, hold, will rebound etc.. in the end, when the big crash really came, all counters kana whacked even if big shot like singtel also kana whacked until $2+ only... I not saying a big crash will come by the way, I just saying when  and if I see a big crash coming,  I will not hold on . Cut and wait to buy back cheaper.. Cheers. Must be flexible la sometimes, and especially in our lousy SGX. When u see  big crash in other markets , do u think our SGX can survive?  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:16) Posted: We are a country where water is scarce. Do you think our govt will let hyflux bankrupt or become nothing? Just something for you to ponder
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spore1 Supreme	12-Dec-2015 10:50        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think 30 cents will be v gd price .Back to olden days their trading range Qanghoo      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 10:47) Posted: This one won' t die one.  They can keep hammering it down, but it' s like u can inflict physical pain on the body but never kill the soul.  Maybe kena whacked to 30c, but bounce back triple over next two yrs.  So, those got a lot of loose cash sure can make by braving the storm.  Pt is, when to jeep n also that  in this sh*t mkt probably a lot of us loose change maybe only a bit left.  HazardKoh      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 00:26) Posted: err.. :) sometimes investors are at losing ends too la.. for example tigerair and NOL. Last time tigerair quite many investors bought at above $1, it even went up to $1.60 in 2011. Also NOL last time investors bought at above $4... Both are also quite " safe" bet type of counters. In the end, u shd know the outcome :) But ok la, since u bought hyflux at a lower price range, shd be ok. Those who invested in hyflux when it was trading over $1 and water theme counters was hot are the ones who should worry more. But i saying dun rule out the share price dropping to half or even less than half  it' s NTA. Many counters are trading at half it' s NTA and even less in SGX...
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