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WL123456
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26-Apr-2019 08:27     
 
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 Alert Admin 		For those who forget , this was the very first warning where BW trick the market about the issuing of a direct selling licence but not for Dr Secret.
https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/sales-of-drs-secret-in-china-best-worlds-best-kept-secret%3famp

Now Bonita has done their work and BWL van choose to sue Bonita in the US if their article is not correct . I have warn about Midas previously . It?s better be safe than sorry.
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26-Apr-2019 08:26     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Good idea, never tot of that .... too focussed on BW. shd start a thread on Hengan and everyone can start contributing rather than just focus on BW. smiley

 

michaeltan      ( Date: 26-Apr-2019 07:54) Posted:

Better go to short Hengan bib-big now. A lot of meats HK$70 now.

robert.tan.2171      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 23:32) Posted:

China&rsquo s Hengan International slams short seller&rsquo s allegations of fraud



BEIJING, Dec. 13, 2018 (RISI) -China&rsquo s Hengan International (Hengan) resumed trading on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong on Thursday after denying earlier allegations of false financial statements from a short seller.

Bonitas Research, a short selling institution based in Texas, the USA, released a report on Wednesday accusing the tissue and hygiene product giant of having fabricated RMB 11 billion ($1.6 billion) of net income since 2005, asserting that its equity is worthless.

Hengan&rsquo s shares plunged as much as 8.8% before settling at HK$57.05, down 5.7%, when trading was suspended from 10:47 on the same day.


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michaeltan
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26-Apr-2019 08:14     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I am afraid SGX is not brave enough to touch Ang Mo. He is very big leh!
Not even a single word against this Ang Mo. 
 

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 23:23) Posted:

Probably working hard to get a perfect answer to the question raised, in law terms and financial terms, it's serious allegation this time, probably need go through many layers of checks and approval, too sloppy an answer will satisfy the shortist desire. Can't give them a good time or time to escape unpunished.

Berani      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 23:09) Posted:

2 days liao... still halt
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michaeltan
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 Alert Admin 		Better go to short Hengan bib-big now. A lot of meats HK$70 now.

robert.tan.2171      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 23:32) Posted:

China&rsquo s Hengan International slams short seller&rsquo s allegations of fraud



BEIJING, Dec. 13, 2018 (RISI) -China&rsquo s Hengan International (Hengan) resumed trading on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong on Thursday after denying earlier allegations of false financial statements from a short seller.

Bonitas Research, a short selling institution based in Texas, the USA, released a report on Wednesday accusing the tissue and hygiene product giant of having fabricated RMB 11 billion ($1.6 billion) of net income since 2005, asserting that its equity is worthless.

Hengan&rsquo s shares plunged as much as 8.8% before settling at HK$57.05, down 5.7%, when trading was suspended from 10:47 on the same day.

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26-Apr-2019 00:31     
 
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 Alert Admin 		2nd para last line in the disclaimer Bonitas Research BW doc : " We are prepared to support everything we say, if necessary, in a court of law."

Wow, mai xiao xiao, doc is serious. 
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25-Apr-2019 23:32     
 
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China&rsquo s Hengan International slams short seller&rsquo s allegations of fraud



BEIJING, Dec. 13, 2018 (RISI) -China&rsquo s Hengan International (Hengan) resumed trading on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong on Thursday after denying earlier allegations of false financial statements from a short seller.

Bonitas Research, a short selling institution based in Texas, the USA, released a report on Wednesday accusing the tissue and hygiene product giant of having fabricated RMB 11 billion ($1.6 billion) of net income since 2005, asserting that its equity is worthless.

Hengan&rsquo s shares plunged as much as 8.8% before settling at HK$57.05, down 5.7%, when trading was suspended from 10:47 on the same day.
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25-Apr-2019 23:23     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Probably working hard to get a perfect answer to the question raised, in law terms and financial terms, it's serious allegation this time, probably need go through many layers of checks and approval, too sloppy an answer will satisfy the shortist desire. Can't give them a good time or time to escape unpunished.

Berani      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 23:09) Posted:

2 days liao... still halt
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25-Apr-2019 23:12     
 
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 Alert Admin 		:)
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25-Apr-2019 23:09     
 
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 Alert Admin 		2 days liao... still halt
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25-Apr-2019 23:08     
 
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 Alert Admin 		analytics for Jan 2019
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25-Apr-2019 23:02     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Agreed on FB. if you see some of the ladies selling the live channels, quite amazing. Wechat groups also have good ability to move the products. Got this from their site with regards to their wechat analytics for Feb 2019.




Views from pushed contents (会 话 ):
40,913 views = 44.43% of total views

Views from sharing (好 友 转 发 & 朋 友 圈 ):
13,233 + 26,072 = 39,305 views = 42.68% of total views

Views from search (搜 一 搜 ):
191 views = 0.21% of total views


Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 22:02) Posted:

U will see alot of posts but not many likes.. because they share everyday to create awareness.. my wife shares on FB everyday but no one like also.. 😂 because they do it every day.. but when ladies see.. they enquire and that's how they get their leads and users.

There are some influencers like 李 藤 , bloggers who uses the product and review it as well

Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:48) Posted:

Yeap I type 皙 之 密
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Sen9999
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25-Apr-2019 22:39     
 
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 Alert Admin 		No bro, their users, ladies all don't use make up, go to raffles branch and see, the counter ladies all are without make up, just lipsticks and extended lashes at most.. no makeup and flawless skin is their selling point

michaeltan      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 22:35) Posted:

But most ladies like makeup.
I used to share thing in FB. it is  quite standard as everybody experience the same thing or received a few likes. Unless you are  celebrity will be different. Otherwise is likely to be your friends only.   

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 22:19) Posted:

Actually it's impossible to compare their model to traditional over the counter products. It's simply comparing apple with orange. U can't just judge on best searched on search engines(that's for traditional products that invest mainly in search engine marketing) , BWL simply doesn't work this way. Although I agree that more transparency is needed, the company may be trying to keep as long as it can because is not difficult for their competitors to follow if they see through their model.
Having said that, to judge the real demand, have a look at their upcoming convention, that I suppose only 5-10% of their members earned to be there. so the actual population of users are x 10 or x 20 of the people there. It's easy to judge users from non users as users usually appear without makeup with flawless skin. If got makeup means not users.
So it's hard to fake as in how to find so many pple with good skin and without make up to appear there.


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michaeltan
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25-Apr-2019 22:35     
 
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 Alert Admin 		But most ladies like makeup.
I used to share thing in FB. it is  quite standard as everybody experience the same thing or received a few likes. Unless you are  celebrity will be different. Otherwise is likely to be your friends only.   

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 22:19) Posted:

Actually it's impossible to compare their model to traditional over the counter products. It's simply comparing apple with orange. U can't just judge on best searched on search engines(that's for traditional products that invest mainly in search engine marketing) , BWL simply doesn't work this way. Although I agree that more transparency is needed, the company may be trying to keep as long as it can because is not difficult for their competitors to follow if they see through their model.
Having said that, to judge the real demand, have a look at their upcoming convention, that I suppose only 5-10% of their members earned to be there. so the actual population of users are x 10 or x 20 of the people there. It's easy to judge users from non users as users usually appear without makeup with flawless skin. If got makeup means not users.
So it's hard to fake as in how to find so many pple with good skin and without make up to appear there.


Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:48) Posted:

Yeap I type 皙 之 密
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Sen9999
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25-Apr-2019 22:19     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Actually it's impossible to compare their model to traditional over the counter products. It's simply comparing apple with orange. U can't just judge on best searched on search engines(that's for traditional products that invest mainly in search engine marketing) , BWL simply doesn't work this way. Although I agree that more transparency is needed, the company may be trying to keep as long as it can because is not difficult for their competitors to follow if they see through their model.
Having said that, to judge the real demand, have a look at their upcoming convention, that I suppose only 5-10% of their members earned to be there. so the actual population of users are x 10 or x 20 of the people there. It's easy to judge users from non users as users usually appear without makeup with flawless skin. If got makeup means not users.
So it's hard to fake as in how to find so many pple with good skin and without make up to appear there.


Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:48) Posted:

Yeap I type 皙 之 密

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:39) Posted:

https://s.weibo.com/weibo/%25E7%259A%2599%25E4%25B9%258B%25E5%25AF%2586?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

Because weibo uses Chinese, 皙 之 密
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Justice888
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25-Apr-2019 22:15     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Okie understand

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 22:02) Posted:

U will see alot of posts but not many likes.. because they share everyday to create awareness.. my wife shares on FB everyday but no one like also.. 😂 because they do it every day.. but when ladies see.. they enquire and that's how they get their leads and users.

There are some influencers like 李 藤 , bloggers who uses the product and review it as well

Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:48) Posted:

Yeap I type 皙 之 密
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25-Apr-2019 22:02     
 
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 Alert Admin 		U will see alot of posts but not many likes.. because they share everyday to create awareness.. my wife shares on FB everyday but no one like also.. 😂 because they do it every day.. but when ladies see.. they enquire and that's how they get their leads and users.

There are some influencers like 李 藤 , bloggers who uses the product and review it as well

Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:48) Posted:

Yeap I type 皙 之 密

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:39) Posted:

https://s.weibo.com/weibo/%25E7%259A%2599%25E4%25B9%258B%25E5%25AF%2586?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

Because weibo uses Chinese, 皙 之 密
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Justice888
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25-Apr-2019 21:48     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Yeap I type 皙 之 密

Sen9999      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:39) Posted:

https://s.weibo.com/weibo/%25E7%259A%2599%25E4%25B9%258B%25E5%25AF%2586?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

Because weibo uses Chinese, 皙 之 密

Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:26) Posted:

I went to Weibo and type dr secret. There aren?t many post or likes on their products
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michaeltan
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25-Apr-2019 21:44     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Yuuzoo revenues 18 million per year. Cannot even feed one ang mo.
Total expenses 111 millions

michaeltan      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:41) Posted:

Yuuzoo revenues 18 million per year. Cannot even feed one ang mo.
 

destinykraze      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:29) Posted:

Yuuzoo does not have huge debts.. Has extremely high quality earnings at least on paper....lu
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michaeltan
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25-Apr-2019 21:41     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Yuuzoo revenues 18 million per year. Cannot even feed one ang mo.
 

destinykraze      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:29) Posted:

Yuuzoo does not have huge debts.. Has extremely high quality earnings at least on paper....lul

michaeltan      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 17:49) Posted:

All these companies are very high debts including Hyflux
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25-Apr-2019 21:39     
 
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 Alert Admin 		https://s.weibo.com/weibo/%25E7%259A%2599%25E4%25B9%258B%25E5%25AF%2586?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

Because weibo uses Chinese, 皙 之 密

Justice888      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 21:26) Posted:

I went to Weibo and type dr secret. There aren?t many post or likes on their products

warrenbuffet2018      ( Date: 25-Apr-2019 20:36) Posted:

What make me most uncomfortable is when ST reported no sign of Dr. Secret in China popular online shop.
BWI took one week to reply.
After that, i google and can find Dr. Secret in popular online shop.

Cant anyone explain why?

 
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