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wokiechewbacca Member	28-Apr-2020 14:49        wokiechewbacca About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I state an example- If upon first diagnosis of FW, knowing their living habits and conditions, deploy tests to all dorms. Immediately separate those with and without antibodies, those positive send for confirmation via PCR Those neg isolate and monitor as still high risk. Better, faster and cheaper than swabbing everyone @3k testing rate per day? Eg2, Someone in your office kenna. They quarantine whole office. You may get it and be asymptomatic at home, but gov not going to swab all of you unless they have cause. You want to do test to know if you have been exposed for the sake of pple around you. If it shows you have antibodies, then how? What is means for all contacts of your family members? Such information, timing not important? Got time and resources to do PCR? Again, not discussing immunity here. That is not the function I?m trying to explain.
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 14:36        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Immunity is manifested by having some kind of antibodies. How long that antibody exist is a different issue. Nobody say antibody test is useless. MOH is already using antibody test for tracing " missing" links - it is in the news.  WHO does not recommend the use of antibody-detecting rapid diagnostic tests for patient care but encourages the continuation of work to establish their usefulness in disease surveillance and  epidemiologic research.   wokiechewbacca      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:25) Posted: Not talking about immunity. There is no evidence yet antibody=immunity. This we can all agree. WHO made it clear. However, antibody indicates infection(whether past or current) and also give inside into time windows, depending on the levels. That is important data to lift lockdowns and restore normalcy. Doesn?t mean antibody test is useless. Can?t possibly restore, when so obvious the actual no is much higher out there. If they test each and every sgporean, you think one day avg 800-900 cases? Acacia lodge shut to visitors since 4april, CB since 7april. Still have confirmed 14 active infections ytd. How? Where you want to find dirt, you will find it. Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:07) Posted: Not really. It doesnt mean that someone who was infected and has since recovered will have immunity. Otherwise it would have been easy
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actan99 Master	28-Apr-2020 14:31        actan99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Right. See this article below.    https://time.com/5820046/medical-students-covid-19/?utm_source=facebook& utm_medium=social& utm_campaign=editorial& utm_term=health_covid-19& linkId=87235407 Even medical students who are young , are being called in to handle the pandemic even though they are not having enough experience and are not tried and tested. Unpredecented times calls for unpredecented measures.    Wait ? Wait for what ?  Some wear Masks also kena,    govt say no need to wear at the beginning, in the end also have to wear mask. So does wear masks means will not kena infected ?  No right ?    But people all now mandatory gota wear also.    All-In-Trader      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:00) Posted: The governement of all the countries cant sit there, do nothing and wait till scientists fully understand the virus. That is why people are actively testing and going to do " mass testings" even when the kits are not the solution.
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Sgvale Supreme	28-Apr-2020 14:27        Sgvale About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Boring trading day
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wokiechewbacca Member	28-Apr-2020 14:25        wokiechewbacca About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not talking about immunity. There is no evidence yet antibody=immunity. This we can all agree. WHO made it clear. However, antibody indicates infection(whether past or current) and also give inside into time windows, depending on the levels. That is important data to lift lockdowns and restore normalcy. Doesn?t mean antibody test is useless. Can?t possibly restore, when so obvious the actual no is much higher out there. If they test each and every sgporean, you think one day avg 800-900 cases? Acacia lodge shut to visitors since 4april, CB since 7april. Still have confirmed 14 active infections ytd. How? Where you want to find dirt, you will find it. Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:07) Posted: Not really. It doesnt mean that someone who was infected and has since recovered will have immunity. Otherwise it would have been easy. newbieliu      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:03) Posted: LOL it meant for confirmatory result, one has to use PCR or other tests to confirm as antibody is the first tier cut off that this person has been infected.  Antibody rapid test can immediately filter out the few thousands of people who have been infected out of millions of people in a short period of time to reduce the chances of infected people to continue to infect the healthy people among the millions.  This is to salvage as many as possible at the screening but high risk group can be filtered further by PCR in case they overlooked anything. That is how i feel.
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WL123456 Supreme	28-Apr-2020 14:19        WL123456 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	In fact the WHO has already said before that there is no significant evidence to prove that those who has recovered will will immunity and there is plenty of evidence of those who recovered got infected again. Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:07) Posted: Not really. It doesnt mean that someone who was infected and has since recovered will have immunity. Otherwise it would have been easy. newbieliu      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:03) Posted: LOL it meant for confirmatory result, one has to use PCR or other tests to confirm as antibody is the first tier cut off that this person has been infected.  Antibody rapid test can immediately filter out the few thousands of people who have been infected out of millions of people in a short period of time to reduce the chances of infected people to continue to infect the healthy people among the millions.  This is to salvage as many as possible at the screening but high risk group can be filtered further by PCR in case they overlooked anything. That is how i feel.
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 14:16        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	BTW, if a person already has the immunity (antibody), it means there is a high chance that he will fail the PCR test. That' s why MOH uses antibody test to establish " missing" links. What you said about confirmation result isn t the usage model. fyi. Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:07) Posted: Not really. It doesnt mean that someone who was infected and has since recovered will have immunity. Otherwise it would have been easy. newbieliu      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:03) Posted: LOL it meant for confirmatory result, one has to use PCR or other tests to confirm as antibody is the first tier cut off that this person has been infected.  Antibody rapid test can immediately filter out the few thousands of people who have been infected out of millions of people in a short period of time to reduce the chances of infected people to continue to infect the healthy people among the millions.  This is to salvage as many as possible at the screening but high risk group can be filtered further by PCR in case they overlooked anything. That is how i feel.
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 14:08        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Which test are you talking about ? All-In-Trader      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:00) Posted: The governement of all the countries cant sit there, do nothing and wait till scientists fully understand the virus. That is why people are actively testing and going to do " mass testings" even when the kits are not the solution.
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 14:07        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not really. It doesnt mean that someone who was infected and has since recovered will have immunity. Otherwise it would have been easy. newbieliu      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 14:03) Posted: LOL it meant for confirmatory result, one has to use PCR or other tests to confirm as antibody is the first tier cut off that this person has been infected.  Antibody rapid test can immediately filter out the few thousands of people who have been infected out of millions of people in a short period of time to reduce the chances of infected people to continue to infect the healthy people among the millions.  This is to salvage as many as possible at the screening but high risk group can be filtered further by PCR in case they overlooked anything. That is how i feel.  Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 13:57) Posted: Like you said ,  it' s to be used w CONJUNCTION with other solutions... so it cannot be that you dont wait for the result of the other solution which is the golden std - for diagnosis of COVID
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newbieliu Elite	28-Apr-2020 14:03        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	LOL it meant for confirmatory result, one has to use PCR or other tests to confirm as antibody is the first tier cut off that this person has been infected.  Antibody rapid test can immediately filter out the few thousands of people who have been infected out of millions of people in a short period of time to reduce the chances of infected people to continue to infect the healthy people among the millions.  This is to salvage as many as possible at the screening but high risk group can be filtered further by PCR in case they overlooked anything. That is how i feel.  Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 13:57) Posted: Like you said ,  it' s to be used w CONJUNCTION with other solutions... so it cannot be that you dont wait for the result of the other solution which is the golden std - for diagnosis of COVID. actan99      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 13:48) Posted: In its reply to sgx queries sometime back, actually all the info is at sgx there, it states very clearly, its to be used with CONJUNCTION with other equipment or solutions.  Never has it claimed to be the only solution.  Its to be used together as part of the whole solution. If I read it properly. The thing is its quick, easy simple and perhaps not that expensive. Seriously with the pandemic going on, do you wana wait long time hours and hours at the hospital or clinics ? Anyway nowadays most pple need to stay home also not much thing to do , why not do mass testing ?
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All-In-Trader Senior	28-Apr-2020 14:00        All-In-Trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The governement of all the countries cant sit there, do nothing and wait till scientists fully understand the virus. That is why people are actively testing and going to do " mass testings" even when the kits are not the solution.
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 13:57        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Like you said ,  it' s to be used w CONJUNCTION with other solutions... so it cannot be that you dont wait for the result of the other solution which is the golden std - for diagnosis of COVID. actan99      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 13:48) Posted: In its reply to sgx queries sometime back, actually all the info is at sgx there, it states very clearly, its to be used with CONJUNCTION with other equipment or solutions.  Never has it claimed to be the only solution.  Its to be used together as part of the whole solution. If I read it properly. The thing is its quick, easy simple and perhaps not that expensive. Seriously with the pandemic going on, do you wana wait long time hours and hours at the hospital or clinics ? Anyway nowadays most pple need to stay home also not much thing to do , why not do mass testing ?
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Cadence88 Veteran	28-Apr-2020 13:50        Cadence88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It' s not about the quality of the antibody test kits (btw, there are many in the market). It' s about the human immune system response to novel viruses which nobody knows at this moment for COVID19. All-In-Trader      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 13:46) Posted: We all know that..its meaningless stating the obvious.  What we think is there is a need for speed checks to open up and restart economies and PCR is not going to help.  What other choices do we have beside antibodies test kits? If there is none, a good quality antibodies rapid test kits will be in huge demand till the vaccine is developed.
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actan99 Master	28-Apr-2020 13:48        actan99 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In its reply to sgx queries sometime back, actually all the info is at sgx there, it states very clearly, its to be used with CONJUNCTION with other equipment or solutions.  Never has it claimed to be the only solution.  Its to be used together as part of the whole solution. If I read it properly. The thing is its quick, easy simple and perhaps not that expensive. Seriously with the pandemic going on, do you wana wait long time hours and hours at the hospital or clinics ? Anyway nowadays most pple need to stay home also not much thing to do , why not do mass testing ?
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All-In-Trader Senior	28-Apr-2020 13:46        All-In-Trader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We all know that..its meaningless stating the obvious.  What we think is there is a need for speed checks to open up and restart economies and PCR is not going to help.  What other choices do we have beside antibodies test kits? If there is none, a good quality antibodies rapid test kits will be in huge demand till the vaccine is developed.
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Papason883883 Senior	28-Apr-2020 13:32        Papason883883 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/advice-on-the-use-of-point-of-care-immunodiagnostic-tests-for-covid-19 Do be careful again. Antibody testing is not for detecting acute infections - early stage.
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t0RNAD0 Member	28-Apr-2020 13:22        t0RNAD0 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	you really letting your imagination run wild. Lol lailai      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 12:51) Posted: Was watching the video of the press conference. What u quote is a vey important statement, a strong hint that rapid test kits will play a significant role in managing the spread of the covid beyond Circuit Breaker period. Ext for those keen to read: " This increased testing is vital, said Wong, as the government is planning for " a phase beyond the Circuit Breaker" . He said that while Singapore will eventually want to gradually relax current restrictions as community cases decrease, this needs to be done in a safe manner, in order not to risk the creation of new infection clusters. This, Wong added, involves scaling up testing capacity beyond existing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) kits, but also new technologies that might be available, such as point-of-care test kits that can be scaled up more rapidly." Admired the courage of the ministerial task force to make changes where earlier thought not necessary, such as the use of rapid test kits, and mask wearing.   ST3-trading      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 12:01) Posted: This, Wong added, involves scaling up testing capacity beyond existing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) kits, but also new technologies that might be available, such as point-of-care test kits that can be scaled up more rapidly.
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ST3-trading Senior	28-Apr-2020 13:21        ST3-trading About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Are the investor all waiting for AGM . .? did nit see any transacrion now
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wokiechewbacca Member	28-Apr-2020 12:59        wokiechewbacca About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Agree. Not to mention also, initial stage with small viral load also complicated testing efforts with PCR. Delay in antibody production amongst diff groups complicate antibody testing. Inherent limitations as with all forms of tests. Cadence88      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 12:48) Posted: DNA & antibody testing are basically for different purposes and may be complimentary in some cases. PCR is the gold std for infectious diseases (thats what I meant by 100% .. many things could go wrong in the process like during sample taking, in the lab etc). Read the Biolidics test kits disclaimers - It is all there. wokiechewbacca      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 12:42) Posted: PCR is never 100% Will still throw out false neg/positive. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200409144805.htm https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/coronavirus-covid19-tests-pandemic-virus-antibodies-swab-blood/ There are many papers on false sense of security tied to PCR. Above by Mayo Clinic, one of the market leaders in clinical research. Another by world economic forum. As it is, there are also papers on fallacies of antibody testing, your point is also valid. But in the context of mass testing, don?t think PCR is sustainable in terms of time, cost and labour. Tbh, there is no perfect solution for diagnostics. Vaccine would be ideal. Until then, diagnostics will be crucial. As the saying goes, prevention is better than cure.
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lailai Elite	28-Apr-2020 12:51        lailai About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Was watching the video of the press conference. What u quote is a vey important statement, a strong hint that rapid test kits will play a significant role in managing the spread of the covid beyond Circuit Breaker period. Ext for those keen to read: " This increased testing is vital, said Wong, as the government is planning for " a phase beyond the Circuit Breaker" . He said that while Singapore will eventually want to gradually relax current restrictions as community cases decrease, this needs to be done in a safe manner, in order not to risk the creation of new infection clusters. This, Wong added, involves scaling up testing capacity beyond existing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) kits, but also new technologies that might be available, such as point-of-care test kits that can be scaled up more rapidly." Admired the courage of the ministerial task force to make changes where earlier thought not necessary, such as the use of rapid test kits, and mask wearing.   ST3-trading      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 12:01) Posted: This, Wong added, involves scaling up testing capacity beyond existing polymerase chain reaction (PCR) kits, but also new technologies that might be available, such as point-of-care test kits that can be scaled up more rapidly.       ST3-trading      ( Date: 28-Apr-2020 11:57) Posted: https://mothership.sg/2020/04/lawrence-wong-covid-19-tests-not-100/
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