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mariners Senior	22-Nov-2016 10:43        mariners About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Yells: "FA tells me what to buy, TA tells me when to buy"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	thinking it through i rmb the management mention they are rewarding long-time and loyal shareholders. i guess their define the long timers as those sticking since ipo and before the rights issue, who will get more worth for their money compare to the later shareholders. they are just separating the sheeps and goats
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MichaelSchenker Master	22-Nov-2016 10:39        MichaelSchenker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looks like a " buy" signal to me. But, no thanks. I' ve enough of DeClout. Biggest resistance could be at 20/21 whereby many of us would unload. Enough!
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mepkoh Elite	22-Nov-2016 09:46        mepkoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	the price action this morning ...is telling coy.. your buy back sucks
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AttasBoss Elite	22-Nov-2016 09:21        AttasBoss About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	short sale or real sale?
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HVRRVH Elite	22-Nov-2016 09:17        HVRRVH About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Early reaction by market not favourable.
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gravity8888 Supreme	22-Nov-2016 09:16        gravity8888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ha ha somebody is not happy about the arrangement but guess the volume is too small to determine anythin
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hem2998 Veteran	22-Nov-2016 08:18        hem2998 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	can short? sheerluck      ( Date: 22-Nov-2016 02:17) Posted: First time see this way to rewards shareholders.   But actually long term wise major shareholder who are company executive benefits in the end.   Why? If the company give out that $7.2mil as dividend, then each share gets 1.07cts.   So for 100lots, div payout is $1070 giving a total of $21,070 (so comparing with the $20,391 from sharebuyback, this one slightly more " exciting" ?).   So this sharebuyback really doesn' t benefit everyone (including the major shareholder which then make this whole scheme looks fair) much in terms of monetary values.   For this way to reward shareholder you lose 3.4% holding for a net gain of only $391.  The div method is better becos you keep all your shares and get $1070. Now what happen to those shares being bought back?   Ended up as company tresuary shares and who can benefit from them?   Every quarter and year-end are oppounity to rewards mgmt for good performance.   They can get back that 3.4% shares or more without spending a penny.   So they can accelerate the stake up.   WHy I say accelerate?   They dilute you anyway through the share award.   But taking away some of your share at the same time just make it faster. On price action, the buyback can be more deceiving becos many time peole don' t read announcement carefully and they can read it as " buy back your share @31.5cts" .   So ended up shooting the price to 30.5-31cts before retracting quickly so don' t be surprise if that happens and don' t be surprise that it was done by a bunch of people who don' t spend enough time reading annonucement.   Anyway if it does happen, market will quickly take advantages of them. Anyway, if you vote against this, company might keep the monies and dont give out, you lan lan.   Unless you are major enough to call the shot, you should request company to just give that $7.2 mil as dividend.   Simple and straightaway.   When company come out with such " scheme" , there are reasons for it.   But too bad, most probably ended up having to accept their " scheme" . Scheming or am I dreaming? DYDD. HazardKoh      ( Date: 22-Nov-2016 00:06) Posted: Assuming you bought 100 lots  at 20 cents ==> $20000 You are allowed to sell to them 3.4% at 31.5 cents ==> 3.4 lots at $1071 So you are left with 96.6 lots. Assume you can sell at 20cents ==> $19320 So total = $20391. ==> Earning of $391 assuming you can sell off at 20 cents. Hardly " exciting" about it..
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investshare Supreme	22-Nov-2016 08:04        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looks like a partial privatization? sheerluck      ( Date: 22-Nov-2016 02:17) Posted: First time see this way to rewards shareholders.   But actually long term wise major shareholder who are company executive benefits in the end.   Why? If the company give out that $7.2mil as dividend, then each share gets 1.07cts.   So for 100lots, div payout is $1070 giving a total of $21,070 (so comparing with the $20,391 from sharebuyback, this one slightly more " exciting" ?).   So this sharebuyback really doesn' t benefit everyone (including the major shareholder which then make this whole scheme looks fair) much in terms of monetary values.   For this way to reward shareholder you lose 3.4% holding for a net gain of only $391.  The div method is better becos you keep all your shares and get $1070. Now what happen to those shares being bought back?   Ended up as company tresuary shares and who can benefit from them?   Every quarter and year-end are oppounity to rewards mgmt for good performance.   They can get back that 3.4% shares or more without spending a penny.   So they can accelerate the stake up.   WHy I say accelerate?   They dilute you anyway through the share award.   But taking away some of your share at the same time just make it faster. On price action, the buyback can be more deceiving becos many time peole don' t read announcement carefully and they can read it as " buy back your share @31.5cts" .   So ended up shooting the price to 30.5-31cts before retracting quickly so don' t be surprise if that happens and don' t be surprise that it was done by a bunch of people who don' t spend enough time reading annonucement.   Anyway if it does happen, market will quickly take advantages of them. Anyway, if you vote against this, company might keep the monies and dont give out, you lan lan.   Unless you are major enough to call the shot, you should request company to just give that $7.2 mil as dividend.   Simple and straightaway.   When company come out with such " scheme" , there are reasons for it.   But too bad, most probably ended up having to accept their " scheme" . Scheming or am I dreaming? DYDD. HazardKoh      ( Date: 22-Nov-2016 00:06) Posted: Assuming you bought 100 lots  at 20 cents ==> $20000 You are allowed to sell to them 3.4% at 31.5 cents ==> 3.4 lots at $1071 So you are left with 96.6 lots. Assume you can sell at 20cents ==> $19320 So total = $20391. ==> Earning of $391 assuming you can sell off at 20 cents. Hardly " exciting" about it..
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MichaelSchenker Master	22-Nov-2016 08:03        MichaelSchenker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Disappointing! I guess DeClout is trying to avoid the xd effect Looks like only those who hold long term will be meaningful. And there' s no guarantee too.
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sheerluck Supreme	22-Nov-2016 02:17        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	First time see this way to rewards shareholders.   But actually long term wise major shareholder who are company executive benefits in the end.   Why? If the company give out that $7.2mil as dividend, then each share gets 1.07cts.   So for 100lots, div payout is $1070 giving a total of $21,070 (so comparing with the $20,391 from sharebuyback, this one slightly more " exciting" ?).   So this sharebuyback really doesn' t benefit everyone (including the major shareholder which then make this whole scheme looks fair) much in terms of monetary values.   For this way to reward shareholder you lose 3.4% holding for a net gain of only $391.  The div method is better becos you keep all your shares and get $1070. Now what happen to those shares being bought back?   Ended up as company tresuary shares and who can benefit from them?   Every quarter and year-end are oppounity to rewards mgmt for good performance.   They can get back that 3.4% shares or more without spending a penny.   So they can accelerate the stake up.   WHy I say accelerate?   They dilute you anyway through the share award.   But taking away some of your share at the same time just make it faster. On price action, the buyback can be more deceiving becos many time peole don' t read announcement carefully and they can read it as " buy back your share @31.5cts" .   So ended up shooting the price to 30.5-31cts before retracting quickly so don' t be surprise if that happens and don' t be surprise that it was done by a bunch of people who don' t spend enough time reading annonucement.   Anyway if it does happen, market will quickly take advantages of them. Anyway, if you vote against this, company might keep the monies and dont give out, you lan lan.   Unless you are major enough to call the shot, you should request company to just give that $7.2 mil as dividend.   Simple and straightaway.   When company come out with such " scheme" , there are reasons for it.   But too bad, most probably ended up having to accept their " scheme" . Scheming or am I dreaming? DYDD. HazardKoh      ( Date: 22-Nov-2016 00:06) Posted: Assuming you bought 100 lots  at 20 cents ==> $20000 You are allowed to sell to them 3.4% at 31.5 cents ==> 3.4 lots at $1071 So you are left with 96.6 lots. Assume you can sell at 20cents ==> $19320 So total = $20391. ==> Earning of $391 assuming you can sell off at 20 cents. Hardly " exciting" about it..     HVRRVH      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:31) Posted: If you have 100000 shares they buy 3400 shares from you at 31.5 cents. Hardly exciting...
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HazardKoh Master	22-Nov-2016 00:06        HazardKoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Assuming you bought 100 lots  at 20 cents ==> $20000 You are allowed to sell to them 3.4% at 31.5 cents ==> 3.4 lots at $1071 So you are left with 96.6 lots. Assume you can sell at 20cents ==> $19320 So total = $20391. ==> Earning of $391 assuming you can sell off at 20 cents. Hardly " exciting" about it..     HVRRVH      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:31) Posted: If you have 100000 shares they buy 3400 shares from you at 31.5 cents. Hardly exciting... BBbull      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:24) Posted: Anyone knows how exactly they are buying back? I don't get what they are saying
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Limchweepoh Member	21-Nov-2016 22:56        Limchweepoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	company has decided $7.2m as reward from sale of Acclivis. to pay all in outright payout, effect will be one-off. To spend all $7.2m on share buyback, shareholders will be upset if price doesn't move up. Probably they adopt "in between" approach.
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Limchweepoh Member	21-Nov-2016 22:51        Limchweepoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Possible as we more or less agreed this is "controlled" stock. If price indeed fall, the outright payout yield will increase & attract buying. The announcement describing this as part of the payout solely due to disposal of Acclivi. The payout is conditioned upon disposal completion (target by end Dec) & EGM, so can expect to receive $ in Jan-17. There still a possibility of dividend payout which is from normal business operation performance but that need to wait till full year result & AGM, payout if any, would be May-17
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n3wbie Elite	21-Nov-2016 22:37        n3wbie About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	no idea what the company is thinking. why not a simple special dividend?
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BBbull Senior	21-Nov-2016 22:32        BBbull About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For all you know, price may fall tomorrow as shareholders were expecting some form of a larger payout
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Limchweepoh Member	21-Nov-2016 22:19        Limchweepoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not quite exactly... Dividend yield = ($0.315 - $0.19)*3.4% / $0.19 = 2.23% As outright payout benefit should be taken from the excess of current share price of $0.19 However, extended gain could come from increase in share price which may or may not materialize
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AttasBoss Elite	21-Nov-2016 21:40        AttasBoss About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	$0.315 * 3.4% / $0.19= 5.64% It is like giving 5.64% dividend yield to the last closing price of $0.19. The coy cant do open market share buy back using $7.245m to buy 23 mil shares, as this will push up the market price or unless they dont want to push up. Shareholder may tender excess of their entitlement but they wont buy back exceed the total 23mil shares commitment. For me i will round down to nearest hundreds shares. Tomorrow likely will open above $0.20.
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HVRRVH Elite	21-Nov-2016 21:11        HVRRVH About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hardly significant isn' t it? Unless market buy up to this 31.5 cents price ' set' by the company. They can also offer to buy 170 shares for every 10,000 shares at 63 cents lol BBbull      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:41) Posted: So for every 10,000 shares I have, they will buyback 340 shares from me at 0.315? HVRRVH      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:31) Posted: If you have 100000 shares they buy 3400 shares from you at 31.5 cents. Hardly exciting...
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BBbull Senior	21-Nov-2016 20:41        BBbull About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So for every 10,000 shares I have, they will buyback 340 shares from me at 0.315? HVRRVH      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:31) Posted: If you have 100000 shares they buy 3400 shares from you at 31.5 cents. Hardly exciting... BBbull      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:24) Posted: Anyone knows how exactly they are buying back? I don't get what they are saying
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HVRRVH Elite	21-Nov-2016 20:31        HVRRVH About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If you have 100000 shares they buy 3400 shares from you at 31.5 cents. Hardly exciting... BBbull      ( Date: 21-Nov-2016 20:24) Posted: Anyone knows how exactly they are buying back? I don't get what they are saying
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