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Jamesbond007 Veteran	29-Apr-2019 21:08        Jamesbond007 About Contact  Quote this Post!
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x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just wonder the complaints on Baidu, they were dated on 2017 Aug and Nov. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 20:17) Posted: Thanks for sharing this Baidu article.   I also suppose these are some BW Buyers answered this question. The aswer is expected.... So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model (全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 未 被 认 定 为 传 销 MLM。 ) However just scroll down & take a look at 其 他 类 似 问 题 ..... 1. Pls read all 7 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/182316499992213044.html?sort=11& rn=5& pn=0#wgt-answers 2.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1823477746330923228.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 3.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1706965598010295940.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 4. Pls read all 4 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/757777386156631844.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 5.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/553467688558641772.html?qbl=relate_question_2& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 6.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1708387195040881380.html?qbl=relate_question_6& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 7.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/55155335.html?qbl=relate_question_5& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 8.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/811668164409619092.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 9.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/459824197684271445.html?qbl=relate_question_0& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA      Pls read all answers 9.  我 是 一 个 三 岁 孩 子 的 妈 妈 ， 我 就 是 被 一 个 很 久 没 有 的 朋 友 拉 进 来 的 ， 她 说 做 这 个 什 么 全 美 世 界 很 赚 钱 我 就 信 了 ， 由 于 朋 友 的 关 系 没 有 多 想 一 下 就 拿 了 4万 多 的 货 ， 后 来 我 知 道 就 是 拉 人 头 拿 提 成 的 ， 结 果 感 觉 被 骗 了 ， 那 些 所 谓 的 产 品 功 效 一 般 的 产 品 也 可 以 达 到 效 果 ， 所 谓 的 效 果 其 实 主 要 是 按 摩 的 手 法 ， 你 用 湿 毛 巾 沿 着 下 巴 往 太 阳 穴 提 升 也 可 以 马 上 见 效 的 ， 价 格 虚 高 、 交 拿 货 费 用 、 拉 人 头 这 就 是 传 销 的 模 式 。 虽 然 几 万 块 不 多 ， 但 是 也 是 血 汗 钱 啊 ， 因 此 奉 劝 那 些 不 要 为 了 钱 骗 朋 友 的 人 。   Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 19:12) Posted: Yes I am sure there Re more mistakes and lies in the report, probably will be clearer when clarification is out. Meanwhile, take a look at this article. I suppose is some short seller ask this question on Baidu. (Just like how BR assumes). https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?&mzl=qb_xg_3&word=全 美 传 销 &fr=relate&refer_title=全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 是 合 法 的 直 销 产 品 吗 ？ So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model. It's the people who don't understand who keep saying they are doing the DS model, the MLM model. Having said that, glad that operator81 u are not vested. Because don't invest in something you do not know. Yes I am reading and interpreting, which I feel is better than just an empty vessel trying to tell grandfather story on what happen to company ABC , what happen to the other company XYZ, without even trying to understand this company. If everything can be told by history, then the only traders who will win money are the 70-80 year old veteran with the most history to tell.
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stockpicker Master	29-Apr-2019 20:53        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If one your family member got cheated by whoever is doing pyramid selling,  quite sure the rest of the family will not want to use the same product  no matter how good is the product..so the product sale would not last long..this may be what has happened in Taiwan and Philippines.. their sale no longer as " hiong" as before stockpicker      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 20:42) Posted: It is a big question mark but it must be true that some have been cheated.  Whether it is the work of BWL or someone like the illegal franchisees is to be determined by the Police.  The name of BWL is definitely tarnished as people " see" the brand and not the name of the  illegal franchisees   meanwhile,  BWL' s product is selling like hot cakes.  Is this what BWL wanted to see?  Will this kind of business last very long?  There is a lot of other questions to ask. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 20:17) Posted: Thanks for sharing this Baidu article.   I also suppose these are some BW Buyers answered this question. The aswer is expected.... So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model (全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 未 被 认 定 为 传 销 MLM。 ) However just scroll down & take a look at 其 他 类 似 问 题 ..... 1. Pls read all 7 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/182316499992213044.html?sort=11& rn=5& pn=0#wgt-answers 2.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1823477746330923228.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 3.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1706965598010295940.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 4. Pls read all 4 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/757777386156631844.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 5.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/553467688558641772.html?qbl=relate_question_2& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 6.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1708387195040881380.html?qbl=relate_question_6& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 7.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/55155335.html?qbl=relate_question_5& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 8.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/811668164409619092.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 9.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/459824197684271445.html?qbl=relate_question_0& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA      Pls read all answers 9.  我 是 一 个 三 岁 孩 子 的 妈 妈 ， 我 就 是 被 一 个 很 久 没 有 的 朋 友 拉 进 来 的 ， 她 说 做 这 个 什 么 全 美 世 界 很 赚 钱 我 就 信 了 ， 由 于 朋 友 的 关 系 没 有 多 想 一 下 就 拿 了 4万 多 的 货 ， 后 来 我 知 道 就 是 拉 人 头 拿 提 成 的 ， 结 果 感 觉 被 骗 了 ， 那 些 所 谓 的 产 品 功 效 一 般 的 产 品 也 可 以 达 到 效 果 ， 所 谓 的 效 果 其 实 主 要 是 按 摩 的 手 法 ， 你 用 湿 毛 巾 沿 着 下 巴 往 太 阳 穴 提 升 也 可 以 马 上 见 效 的 ， 价 格 虚 高 、 交 拿 货 费 用 、 拉 人 头 这 就 是 传 销 的 模 式 。 虽 然 几 万 块 不 多 ， 但 是 也 是 血 汗 钱 啊 ， 因 此 奉 劝 那 些 不 要 为 了 钱 骗 朋 友 的 人 。
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stockpicker Master	29-Apr-2019 20:42        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It is a big question mark but it must be true that some have been cheated.  Whether it is the work of BWL or someone like the illegal franchisees is to be determined by the Police.  The name of BWL is definitely tarnished as people " see" the brand and not the name of the  illegal franchisees   meanwhile,  BWL' s product is selling like hot cakes.  Is this what BWL wanted to see?  Will this kind of business last very long?  There is a lot of other questions to ask. Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 20:17) Posted: Thanks for sharing this Baidu article.   I also suppose these are some BW Buyers answered this question. The aswer is expected.... So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model (全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 未 被 认 定 为 传 销 MLM。 ) However just scroll down & take a look at 其 他 类 似 问 题 ..... 1. Pls read all 7 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/182316499992213044.html?sort=11& rn=5& pn=0#wgt-answers 2.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1823477746330923228.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 3.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1706965598010295940.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 4. Pls read all 4 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/757777386156631844.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 5.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/553467688558641772.html?qbl=relate_question_2& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 6.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1708387195040881380.html?qbl=relate_question_6& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 7.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/55155335.html?qbl=relate_question_5& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 8.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/811668164409619092.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 9.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/459824197684271445.html?qbl=relate_question_0& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA      Pls read all answers 9.  我 是 一 个 三 岁 孩 子 的 妈 妈 ， 我 就 是 被 一 个 很 久 没 有 的 朋 友 拉 进 来 的 ， 她 说 做 这 个 什 么 全 美 世 界 很 赚 钱 我 就 信 了 ， 由 于 朋 友 的 关 系 没 有 多 想 一 下 就 拿 了 4万 多 的 货 ， 后 来 我 知 道 就 是 拉 人 头 拿 提 成 的 ， 结 果 感 觉 被 骗 了 ， 那 些 所 谓 的 产 品 功 效 一 般 的 产 品 也 可 以 达 到 效 果 ， 所 谓 的 效 果 其 实 主 要 是 按 摩 的 手 法 ， 你 用 湿 毛 巾 沿 着 下 巴 往 太 阳 穴 提 升 也 可 以 马 上 见 效 的 ， 价 格 虚 高 、 交 拿 货 费 用 、 拉 人 头 这 就 是 传 销 的 模 式 。 虽 然 几 万 块 不 多 ， 但 是 也 是 血 汗 钱 啊 ， 因 此 奉 劝 那 些 不 要 为 了 钱 骗 朋 友 的 人 。   Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 19:12) Posted: Yes I am sure there Re more mistakes and lies in the report, probably will be clearer when clarification is out. Meanwhile, take a look at this article. I suppose is some short seller ask this question on Baidu. (Just like how BR assumes). https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?&mzl=qb_xg_3&word=全 美 传 销 &fr=relate&refer_title=全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 是 合 法 的 直 销 产 品 吗 ？ So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model. It's the people who don't understand who keep saying they are doing the DS model, the MLM model. Having said that, glad that operator81 u are not vested. Because don't invest in something you do not know. Yes I am reading and interpreting, which I feel is better than just an empty vessel trying to tell grandfather story on what happen to company ABC , what happen to the other company XYZ, without even trying to understand this company. If everything can be told by history, then the only traders who will win money are the 70-80 year old veteran with the most history to tell.
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	29-Apr-2019 20:35        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	From 6..... 今 天 刚 从 里 面 逃 出 来 ， 被 朋 友 忽 悠 过 去 五 天 ， 说 是 进 厂 的 ， 其 实 就 是 直 销 ， 五 天 时 间 都 是 很 多 所 谓 的 领 导 经 理 在 出 租 屋 里 头 跟 你 讲 人 生 大 道 理 （ 其 实 就 是 放 屁 ） 后 来 又 让 我 买 一 套 8990元 的 护 肤 品 （ 所 谓 的 投 资 ） ， 我 说 我 不 买 了 ， 他 们 还 让 我 衡 量 一 下 人 生 价 值 ， 真 是 可 笑 ， 今 天 又 带 我 去 听 课 （ 跟 洗 脑 差 不 多 ） 我 不 听 ， 他 们 就 骂 我 ， 我 手 机 一 打 110， 他 们 就 要 跟 我 干 架 ， 后 来 我 废 了 九 牛 二 虎 之 力 才 杀 出 来 的 ， 正 准 备 回 家 ， 哎 ！ 我 是 个 00后 ， 出 来 挣 钱 不 成 还 遇 到 这 种 事 情 ， 我 不 傻 ， 大 哥 哥 ， 里 面 的 人 真 的 很 会 讲 道 德 人 生 责 任 ， 呆 就 了 自 然 而 然 人 就 陷 进 去 了 ， 希 望 各 位 兄 弟 一 定 多 警 戒   Sin_Cos_Tan      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 20:26) Posted: However just scroll down & take a look at " 其 他 类 似 问 题 " from the same article from Baidu ..... http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?& mzl=qb_xg_3& word=全 %20美 %20传 %20销 %20& fr=relate& refer_title=全 %20美 %20世 %20界 %20化 %20妆 %20品 %20是 %20合 %20法 %20的 %20直 %20销 %20产 %20品 %20吗 %20？
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	29-Apr-2019 20:26        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	However just scroll down & take a look at " 其 他 类 似 问 题 " from the same article from Baidu ..... http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?& mzl=qb_xg_3& word=全 %20美 %20传 %20销 %20& fr=relate& refer_title=全 %20美 %20世 %20界 %20化 %20妆 %20品 %20是 %20合 %20法 %20的 %20直 %20销 %20产 %20品 %20吗 %20？
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Sin_Cos_Tan Veteran	29-Apr-2019 20:17        Sin_Cos_Tan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks for sharing this Baidu article.   I also suppose these are some BW Buyers answered this question. The aswer is expected.... So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model (全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 未 被 认 定 为 传 销 MLM。 ) However just scroll down & take a look at 其 他 类 似 问 题 ..... 1. Pls read all 7 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/182316499992213044.html?sort=11& rn=5& pn=0#wgt-answers 2.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1823477746330923228.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 3.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1706965598010295940.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 4. Pls read all 4 answers      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/757777386156631844.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 5.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/553467688558641772.html?qbl=relate_question_2& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 6.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/1708387195040881380.html?qbl=relate_question_6& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 7.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/55155335.html?qbl=relate_question_5& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 8.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/811668164409619092.html?qbl=relate_question_1& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA 9.      http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/459824197684271445.html?qbl=relate_question_0& word=%C8%AB%20%C3%C0%20%B4%AB%20%CF%FA      Pls read all answers 9.  我 是 一 个 三 岁 孩 子 的 妈 妈 ， 我 就 是 被 一 个 很 久 没 有 的 朋 友 拉 进 来 的 ， 她 说 做 这 个 什 么 全 美 世 界 很 赚 钱 我 就 信 了 ， 由 于 朋 友 的 关 系 没 有 多 想 一 下 就 拿 了 4万 多 的 货 ， 后 来 我 知 道 就 是 拉 人 头 拿 提 成 的 ， 结 果 感 觉 被 骗 了 ， 那 些 所 谓 的 产 品 功 效 一 般 的 产 品 也 可 以 达 到 效 果 ， 所 谓 的 效 果 其 实 主 要 是 按 摩 的 手 法 ， 你 用 湿 毛 巾 沿 着 下 巴 往 太 阳 穴 提 升 也 可 以 马 上 见 效 的 ， 价 格 虚 高 、 交 拿 货 费 用 、 拉 人 头 这 就 是 传 销 的 模 式 。 虽 然 几 万 块 不 多 ， 但 是 也 是 血 汗 钱 啊 ， 因 此 奉 劝 那 些 不 要 为 了 钱 骗 朋 友 的 人 。   Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 19:12) Posted: Yes I am sure there Re more mistakes and lies in the report, probably will be clearer when clarification is out. Meanwhile, take a look at this article. I suppose is some short seller ask this question on Baidu. (Just like how BR assumes). https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?&mzl=qb_xg_3&word=全 美 传 销 &fr=relate&refer_title=全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 是 合 法 的 直 销 产 品 吗 ？ So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model. It's the people who don't understand who keep saying they are doing the DS model, the MLM model. Having said that, glad that operator81 u are not vested. Because don't invest in something you do not know. Yes I am reading and interpreting, which I feel is better than just an empty vessel trying to tell grandfather story on what happen to company ABC , what happen to the other company XYZ, without even trying to understand this company. If everything can be told by history, then the only traders who will win money are the 70-80 year old veteran with the most history to tell. Operator81      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 18:50) Posted: What you read and interprete and you assume it is the world (there is a chinese idiom on this, go figure it out). I am sure there are more things that you have not seen. Amateur Mistakes also spell longly, the pork calling the cattle black. Please pardon my amateur typo mistakes. 😂
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Sen9999 Member	29-Apr-2019 19:12        Sen9999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes I am sure there Re more mistakes and lies in the report, probably will be clearer when clarification is out. Meanwhile, take a look at this article. I suppose is some short seller ask this question on Baidu. (Just like how BR assumes). https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/308489416434017924.html?&mzl=qb_xg_3&word=全 美 传 销 &fr=relate&refer_title=全 美 世 界 化 妆 品 是 合 法 的 直 销 产 品 吗 ？ So far there has been no issue on their franchise selling model. It's the people who don't understand who keep saying they are doing the DS model, the MLM model. Having said that, glad that operator81 u are not vested. Because don't invest in something you do not know. Yes I am reading and interpreting, which I feel is better than just an empty vessel trying to tell grandfather story on what happen to company ABC , what happen to the other company XYZ, without even trying to understand this company. If everything can be told by history, then the only traders who will win money are the 70-80 year old veteran with the most history to tell. Operator81      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 18:50) Posted: What you read and interprete and you assume it is the world (there is a chinese idiom on this, go figure it out). I am sure there are more things that you have not seen. Amateur Mistakes also spell longly, the pork calling the cattle black. Please pardon my amateur typo mistakes. 😂
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Operator81 Senior	29-Apr-2019 18:50        Operator81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	What you read and interprete and you assume it is the world (there is a chinese idiom on this, go figure it out). I am sure there are more things that you have not seen. Amateur Mistakes also spell longly, the pork calling the cattle black. Please pardon my amateur typo mistakes. 😂
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beng1102 Elite	29-Apr-2019 18:20        beng1102 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I agree on this comments.  This is why the short sellers are exploiting this grey area to create fear factors.  Cracking by China Authority has been no-going since Jan,  still not done with WB?  There is far no office confirmation of any serious wrong doing in their business actitity. stockpicker      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 18:09) Posted: Yes.. they have been practicing MLM in Taiwan and also Philippines..these 2 countries is apparently ok with such a model.. whether they are practicing also MLM Pyramid selling,  they claimed that they are not.. but that has nothing to do with whether they are particing MLM in China.. they are completely different countries with different regulations.  I would not pay too much about the MLM selling written in the report as Bonatis does not understand what they were writing..There were reports that BWL' s product were used in MLM pyramid selling.. that I am not surprise.. as to whether such sellings are done by BWL or ChangSha Best,  there is no such report found.  Those BWL products in pyramid selling could be the work of anyone Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 17:11) Posted: Refer to this post. https://sgtalk.org/mybb/Thread-Just-for-a-Badly-Written-1-page-Report-This-SGX-stock-lost-about-8-million-today?pid=3399211#pid3399211 Amaetur mistakes. Shows that they never vet through the report before publishing? Or they want to create a nastier picture using wrong information? Notice they have been mixing Taiwanese and China sales consistently, I believe is to confuse readers. They mentioned 中 国 制 度 ， so is it 中 国 台 湾 ， 中 国 香 港 ， or 中 国 大 陆 ? I believe all 3 systems are different. Notice they are also asking taiwanese(if the two person interviewed is real) about system in China. And the credits to the CEO picture with the DS cert is from Taiwan, when they are talking about legal system in China.
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stockpicker Master	29-Apr-2019 18:09        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes.. they have been practicing MLM in Taiwan and also Philippines..these 2 countries is apparently ok with such a model.. whether they are practicing also MLM Pyramid selling,  they claimed that they are not.. but that has nothing to do with whether they are particing MLM in China.. they are completely different countries with different regulations.  I would not pay too much about the MLM selling written in the report as Bonatis does not understand what they were writing..There were reports that BWL' s product were used in MLM pyramid selling.. that I am not surprise.. as to whether such sellings are done by BWL or ChangSha Best,  there is no such report found.  Those BWL products in pyramid selling could be the work of anyone Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 17:11) Posted: Refer to this post. https://sgtalk.org/mybb/Thread-Just-for-a-Badly-Written-1-page-Report-This-SGX-stock-lost-about-8-million-today?pid=3399211#pid3399211 Amaetur mistakes. Shows that they never vet through the report before publishing? Or they want to create a nastier picture using wrong information? Notice they have been mixing Taiwanese and China sales consistently, I believe is to confuse readers. They mentioned 中 国 制 度 ， so is it 中 国 台 湾 ， 中 国 香 港 ， or 中 国 大 陆 ? I believe all 3 systems are different. Notice they are also asking taiwanese(if the two person interviewed is real) about system in China. And the credits to the CEO picture with the DS cert is from Taiwan, when they are talking about legal system in China. Operator81      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 12:39) Posted: Sen9999, what make you think the shortists did not do their due diligence? What is half truth? Tell me which is the correct answer below? 1) The glass is half full. 2) The glass is half empty.   Dun you agree that both are correct answers
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Sen9999 Member	29-Apr-2019 17:11        Sen9999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Refer to this post. https://sgtalk.org/mybb/Thread-Just-for-a-Badly-Written-1-page-Report-This-SGX-stock-lost-about-8-million-today?pid=3399211#pid3399211 Amaetur mistakes. Shows that they never vet through the report before publishing? Or they want to create a nastier picture using wrong information? Notice they have been mixing Taiwanese and China sales consistently, I believe is to confuse readers. They mentioned 中 国 制 度 ， so is it 中 国 台 湾 ， 中 国 香 港 ， or 中 国 大 陆 ? I believe all 3 systems are different. Notice they are also asking taiwanese(if the two person interviewed is real) about system in China. And the credits to the CEO picture with the DS cert is from Taiwan, when they are talking about legal system in China. Operator81      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 12:39) Posted: Sen9999, what make you think the shortists did not do their due diligence? What is half truth? Tell me which is the correct answer below? 1) The glass is half full. 2) The glass is half empty.   Dun you agree that both are correct answers? Sen9999      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 11:21) Posted: Yes I am on the other side of the camp because I spend days reading up about the company, the reports, the short sellers, the clarification. I read it many times, trying to make sense of everything, talk to people, go to FB, IG etc I interpret the meaning as getting wealth from correct means, and not through unethical methods such as reporting half truth. No? Means I still need further education on my Chinese 😂 😂
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stockpicker Master	29-Apr-2019 17:00        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	To do private business in China,  one would have to have very trusting and royal people working for you.  Everything can be made up and fake including shop fronts and account books..My brother was interested to invested in an educational centre in Wuhang.. went there to survey,  very satisfied with his partner' s work.  Good student attendences   good account books..His wife who was a converted Chinese could not believe,  went there to check.. the centre said to have a lot of students was found  empty and the partner disappeared..Just not sure how BWL is coping with their works in China..everything can be faked.. stockpicker      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:48) Posted: Yes.  These S chips are operating in the " dark" side.  Even we send the best auditors,  we might not be able to get the correct financial picture of these S chip companies.. BWL has both the " Bright" side and the " Dark" side.  It will depend on whether one can get a picture of both to conclude that BWL is always clean   may be a little " fraud" is acceptable to many?   Just wondering.. Bonatis explored the " Dark" side and call BWL a fraud..is he getting the right or able to get the right information in China... that will very depend on whether Bonitas has the correct insider information   otherwise,  it has to be a " flop" .. bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.
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Operator81 Senior	29-Apr-2019 16:57        Operator81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You mean this time is different? Again? 😂   Tiger04      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:46) Posted: Thank you for the reminder. Noticed some differences. In this Fujian Z, the board of Directors were not concerned" and didnt act on the general attack nor had any intention to do share buy back. They just let it be... mayb that's why the value was discounted and lost its attractiveness. Whilst we can see BW Directors are quick & swift to act on it and are concern and involved . We can only pray hard that the Shortists back off after this bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.
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Justice888 Supreme	29-Apr-2019 16:48        Justice888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Noble group director too. Sigh . I got cheated once also last ba Tiger04      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:46) Posted: Thank you for the reminder. Noticed some differences. In this Fujian Z, the board of Directors were not concerned" and didnt act on the general attack nor had any intention to do share buy back. They just let it be... mayb that's why the value was discounted and lost its attractiveness. Whilst we can see BW Directors are quick & swift to act on it and are concern and involved . We can only pray hard that the Shortists back off after this bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.
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stockpicker Master	29-Apr-2019 16:48        stockpicker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes.  These S chips are operating in the " dark" side.  Even we send the best auditors,  we might not be able to get the correct financial picture of these S chip companies.. BWL has both the " Bright" side and the " Dark" side.  It will depend on whether one can get a picture of both to conclude that BWL is always clean   may be a little " fraud" is acceptable to many?   Just wondering.. Bonatis explored the " Dark" side and call BWL a fraud..is he getting the right or able to get the right information in China... that will very depend on whether Bonitas has the correct insider information   otherwise,  it has to be a " flop" .. bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.   Rashi08      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:02) Posted: All those companies listed in SGX gone burst are almost all with the same traits. High debt, either bond issue or bank borrowings to cheat the banks, shareholders and public. Right issues to get more funds from shareholders. BW has the above traits? No
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Tiger04 Senior	29-Apr-2019 16:46        Tiger04 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank you for the reminder. Noticed some differences. In this Fujian Z, the board of Directors were not concerned" and didnt act on the general attack nor had any intention to do share buy back. They just let it be... mayb that's why the value was discounted and lost its attractiveness. Whilst we can see BW Directors are quick & swift to act on it and are concern and involved . We can only pray hard that the Shortists back off after this bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.   Rashi08      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:02) Posted: All those companies listed in SGX gone burst are almost all with the same traits. High debt, either bond issue or bank borrowings to cheat the banks, shareholders and public. Right issues to get more funds from shareholders. BW has the above traits? No
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Rashi08 Member	29-Apr-2019 16:27        Rashi08 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am talking about committing fraud as claimed by Bonitas on BW.  bayduck      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:16) Posted: Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.   Rashi08      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:02) Posted: All those companies listed in SGX gone burst are almost all with the same traits. High debt, either bond issue or bank borrowings to cheat the banks, shareholders and public. Right issues to get more funds from shareholders. BW has the above traits? No
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bayduck Member	29-Apr-2019 16:16        bayduck About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Overly simplistic analysis. Look at Fujian Zhenyun:  https://www.nextinsight.net/index.php/target-prices/7507-my-target-price-for-fujian-zhenyun-plastics-is-300-upsideq 1. Negligible debt (debt to equity of 0.03) 2. Lots of cash 3. Pays dividends 4. Insiders own majority of shares 5. Profitable 6. No rights issue Yet still a goner. I' m not suggesting that BW will go bust, what I' m saying is that using overly simplistic rule-of-thumbs can lead you to trouble. There' s more nuance to investing than just applying a checklist, that' s why most people can' t beat the market.   Rashi08      ( Date: 29-Apr-2019 16:02) Posted: All those companies listed in SGX gone burst are almost all with the same traits. High debt, either bond issue or bank borrowings to cheat the banks, shareholders and public. Right issues to get more funds from shareholders. BW has the above traits? No
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Rashi08 Member	29-Apr-2019 16:02        Rashi08 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	All those companies listed in SGX gone burst are almost all with the same traits. High debt, either bond issue or bank borrowings to cheat the banks, shareholders and public. Right issues to get more funds from shareholders. BW has the above traits? No
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