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NextEvolution Elite	19-Oct-2018 08:26        NextEvolution About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	One mountain cannot have more than 1 tiger, Hy already have MS consortium with 60% holding, and a legally binding contract in hand. No need to seek others already. I prefer MS at miles length than Temasek, who's investment vehicle can be speculative, just see what they did to Marco Polo or even Ezion, made money run road let retailers pay for their profits. In overseas, state investment funds make sure when they invest, they support the overall market and indirectly support retailers and sell only when market in good shape to absorb not dump and let price tank cheekitlim      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 08:04) Posted: It is good cover now for Temasek to put in a bid for Hyflux for investment, without looking like a govt rescue. cheekitlim      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:37) Posted: YESSSS!!!! Now time for Sembcorp to regret bidding so low for Tuaspring. Money can last Hyflux another 3-5 years. Electricity prices will skyrocket soon next few months with global warming and high oil prices. Next time can see ppl bidding Tuaspring for 3bil instead!!! Nice Job Olivia! Thanks
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 08:11        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	N yes, I think it' d be useful for us all to be acquainted with the facts.  I keep continue seeing so much misinformation n speculation here ..... Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 08:03) Posted: There' s also Tuas1 to be commissioned in 2019.  If I recall correctly Hflux owns 75%, MHI 25%.  But not sure if that one is going smoothly at the moment too.  Seems some arbitration gonna  take place between flux in MHI. NextEvolution      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:48) Posted: So many misinformation here. Let's disect the details below: SM are both considered as strategic investors, in for the long haul in Hy and the 3 parties have definite synergy effects. Someone compared this with Ezion white knights but over there, they are mostly opportunists or sleeping investors, including our state fund Tenasek's Pavilion Capital Fund. S is already a major power supplier in Singapore. M is supplying LNG to Singapore and M can in future directly supply LNG to TS. TS is still not making money at the beginning of the year but the equation have changed since as tariffs for water and electricity have gone up 20% to 30% this year. SM together with Hy habe say to keep the assets intact, so the cash will be used to pay off Perps and bonds, in this priority. If TS is generating positive cash flow now, MS * Hy can pay off Maybank till the loan expire more than a decade down the road. As for calculation, an injection of $530m will translate to 40.5 cent based on SM total investment. 60/100 x $530m x 785m current shares = 40.5 cent. It will be another couple of months before suspension lifted as approval from authorities and voting from vested holders take time. By then, loads of currently trapped short-sellers will fight off with trapped retailers and new speculators to move the price. I'm expecting price to open in the range of 28 cent to 32 cents. Please DYODD. Good luck to all
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cheekitlim Member	19-Oct-2018 08:04        cheekitlim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It is good cover now for Temasek to put in a bid for Hyflux for investment, without looking like a govt rescue. cheekitlim      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:37) Posted: YESSSS!!!! Now time for Sembcorp to regret bidding so low for Tuaspring. Money can last Hyflux another 3-5 years. Electricity prices will skyrocket soon next few months with global warming and high oil prices. Next time can see ppl bidding Tuaspring for 3bil instead!!! Nice Job Olivia! Thanks! Starship      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:44) Posted: Hyflux to get S$530m lifeline from Indonesia' s Salim, Medco groups SINGAPORE:  Embattled water treatment firm Hyflux, which is in the midst of a court-supervised reorganisation, is set to receive a S$530 million investment from a consortium comprising Indonesia' s Salim Group and Medco Group, in a move that gives it a lifeline for its struggling business. The consortium, SM Investments, will own 60 per cent of equity in Hyflux when the deal is completed, Hyflux announced on Thursday (Oct 18). The investment comprises two portions: S$400 million for the 60 per cent equity and a shareholder loan of S$130 million, according to a stock exchange filing. Additionally, Hyflux will also get a S$30 million loan as interim working capital until the proposed deal is completed. Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 08:03        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There' s also Tuas1 to be commissioned in 2019.  If I recall correctly Hflux owns 75%, MHI 25%.  But not sure if that one is going smoothly at the moment too.  Seems some arbitration gonna  take place between flux in MHI. NextEvolution      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:48) Posted: So many misinformation here. Let's disect the details below: SM are both considered as strategic investors, in for the long haul in Hy and the 3 parties have definite synergy effects. Someone compared this with Ezion white knights but over there, they are mostly opportunists or sleeping investors, including our state fund Tenasek's Pavilion Capital Fund. S is already a major power supplier in Singapore. M is supplying LNG to Singapore and M can in future directly supply LNG to TS. TS is still not making money at the beginning of the year but the equation have changed since as tariffs for water and electricity have gone up 20% to 30% this year. SM together with Hy habe say to keep the assets intact, so the cash will be used to pay off Perps and bonds, in this priority. If TS is generating positive cash flow now, MS * Hy can pay off Maybank till the loan expire more than a decade down the road. As for calculation, an injection of $530m will translate to 40.5 cent based on SM total investment. 60/100 x $530m x 785m current shares = 40.5 cent. It will be another couple of months before suspension lifted as approval from authorities and voting from vested holders take time. By then, loads of currently trapped short-sellers will fight off with trapped retailers and new speculators to move the price. I'm expecting price to open in the range of 28 cent to 32 cents. Please DYODD. Good luck to all
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playst Member	19-Oct-2018 07:56        playst About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sembcorp is just like local company like to lowball so Olivia show them the middle finger and full balls. I am surprise Indonesia is so much more generous than sinkie.
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ysh2006 Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:52        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So if everything signed Hyflux will be a Indonesian owned company. Sembcorp need to compete with this company to sell power and water ....Sembcorp may know something we don't know that why put up low price.. Qanghoo      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:26) Posted: Brother, I think they have signed a binding agreement already. Now awaiting approval from authorities I think.  But will the govt be wary?  Two huge infrastructural assets with substantial security interests involved?  I suppose though they must have sounded the authorities out first for an initial aye?  Let' s continue to watch the media space for developments as they unfold ..... ysh2006      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:16) Posted: Need to wait other bidders whether got up price or not ?...
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:51        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Lucky not the  big grp  with the capital L though .... playst      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:48) Posted: Don' t talk nonsense and spread fear around and no need to laugh at the auntie and uncle who loose money here. Salim and Medco the 2 large Indonesia white knight that is as big as Kepple Corp had already come to rescue Hyflux.   john_ric      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 23:03) Posted: when relisted. will share price be $0.001??
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playst Member	19-Oct-2018 07:48        playst About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don' t talk nonsense and spread fear around and no need to laugh at the auntie and uncle who loose money here. Salim and Medco the 2 large Indonesia white knight that is as big as Kepple Corp had already come to rescue Hyflux.   john_ric      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 23:03) Posted: when relisted. will share price be $0.001??
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NextEvolution Elite	19-Oct-2018 07:48        NextEvolution About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	So many misinformation here. Let's disect the details below: SM are both considered as strategic investors, in for the long haul in Hy and the 3 parties have definite synergy effects. Someone compared this with Ezion white knights but over there, they are mostly opportunists or sleeping investors, including our state fund Tenasek's Pavilion Capital Fund. S is already a major power supplier in Singapore. M is supplying LNG to Singapore and M can in future directly supply LNG to TS. TS is still not making money at the beginning of the year but the equation have changed since as tariffs for water and electricity have gone up 20% to 30% this year. SM together with Hy habe say to keep the assets intact, so the cash will be used to pay off Perps and bonds, in this priority. If TS is generating positive cash flow now, MS * Hy can pay off Maybank till the loan expire more than a decade down the road. As for calculation, an injection of $530m will translate to 40.5 cent based on SM total investment. 60/100 x $530m x 785m current shares = 40.5 cent. It will be another couple of months before suspension lifted as approval from authorities and voting from vested holders take time. By then, loads of currently trapped short-sellers will fight off with trapped retailers and new speculators to move the price. I'm expecting price to open in the range of 28 cent to 32 cents. Please DYODD. Good luck to all
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:26        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Brother, I think they have signed a binding agreement already. Now awaiting approval from authorities I think.  But will the govt be wary?  Two huge infrastructural assets with substantial security interests involved?  I suppose though they must have sounded the authorities out first for an initial aye?  Let' s continue to watch the media space for developments as they unfold ..... ysh2006      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:16) Posted: Need to wait other bidders whether got up price or not ?.... Goldfinger      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:11) Posted: Don?t sell TS and the bleeding will continue. This is a typical rout where the stock could continue to trend down due to dilutions. When are they relisting? Market will exercise judgment then. SGX should let investors exit.
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ysh2006 Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:16        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Need to wait other bidders whether got up price or not ?.... Goldfinger      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 07:11) Posted: Don?t sell TS and the bleeding will continue. This is a typical rout where the stock could continue to trend down due to dilutions. When are they relisting? Market will exercise judgment then. SGX should let investors exit.
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Goldfinger Supreme	19-Oct-2018 07:11        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don?t sell TS and the bleeding will continue. This is a typical rout where the stock could continue to trend down due to dilutions. When are they relisting? Market will exercise judgment then. SGX should let investors exit.
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marketuncle Veteran	19-Oct-2018 06:31        marketuncle About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not selling?! " Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details." Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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marketuncle Veteran	19-Oct-2018 06:16        marketuncle About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hyflux' s announcement: " ...The Investment Amount and the Shareholder' s Loan Amount (collectively, the " Proceeds" ) shall be applied towards (a) the full and final settlement of each of the unsecured financial debt, preference shares, perpetual securities, contingent debt and trade debt and (b) the working capital needs of the Group' s business (which shall include the repayment of the Pre-Completion Working Capital Rescue Financing)..." .    ysh2006      ( Date: 19-Oct-2018 02:39) Posted: The injected money will it be used to repay Maybank first ? playst      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 22:41) Posted: Olivia finally no choice got to give up her controlling stake in Hyflux and sell 60% shares to 2 Indonesia heavy weight white knight Salim and Medco. It looks like Hyflux is really in deep shit and need 2 white knight to join hand to save this company.
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ysh2006 Supreme	19-Oct-2018 02:39        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The injected money will it be used to repay Maybank first ? playst      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 22:41) Posted: Olivia finally no choice got to give up her controlling stake in Hyflux and sell 60% shares to 2 Indonesia heavy weight white knight Salim and Medco. It looks like Hyflux is really in deep shit and need 2 white knight to join hand to save this company.
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Qanghoo Supreme	19-Oct-2018 00:31        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	A few  qns - How did  this country  get into this position of excess elec supply? Overprojection? n by whom?  How long more will this go on? investshare      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:17) Posted: Fact: Tuas spring is loss making Scenario 1: sell it , pay Maybank. Result: Hyflux without TS, no loss making, shareholder no dilution Scenario 2: Salim invest, money pay Maybank Result: Hyflux keep TS, bank account no change as Salim cash go to Maybank, continue bleeding, big dilution Which one better?
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john_ric Supreme	18-Oct-2018 23:03        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	when relisted. will share price be $0.001??
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playst Member	18-Oct-2018 22:41        playst About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Olivia finally no choice got to give up her controlling stake in Hyflux and sell 60% shares to 2 Indonesia heavy weight white knight Salim and Medco. It looks like Hyflux is really in deep shit and need 2 white knight to join hand to save this company.
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 22:21        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Scenario 1 I choose... company no debt start again got Indonesia brothers take care prospect is good!! investshare      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:17) Posted: Fact: Tuas spring is loss making Scenario 1: sell it , pay Maybank. Result: Hyflux without TS, no loss making, shareholder no dilution Scenario 2: Salim invest, money pay Maybank Result: Hyflux keep TS, bank account no change as Salim cash go to Maybank, continue bleeding, big dilution Which one better?
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cheekitlim Member	18-Oct-2018 21:37        cheekitlim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	YESSSS!!!! Now time for Sembcorp to regret bidding so low for Tuaspring. Money can last Hyflux another 3-5 years. Electricity prices will skyrocket soon next few months with global warming and high oil prices. Next time can see ppl bidding Tuaspring for 3bil instead!!! Nice Job Olivia! Thanks! Starship      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:44) Posted: Hyflux to get S$530m lifeline from Indonesia' s Salim, Medco groups SINGAPORE:  Embattled water treatment firm Hyflux, which is in the midst of a court-supervised reorganisation, is set to receive a S$530 million investment from a consortium comprising Indonesia' s Salim Group and Medco Group, in a move that gives it a lifeline for its struggling business. The consortium, SM Investments, will own 60 per cent of equity in Hyflux when the deal is completed, Hyflux announced on Thursday (Oct 18). The investment comprises two portions: S$400 million for the 60 per cent equity and a shareholder loan of S$130 million, according to a stock exchange filing. Additionally, Hyflux will also get a S$30 million loan as interim working capital until the proposed deal is completed. Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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