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RoundRound Elite	14-Oct-2014 17:08        RoundRound About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Tikam Tikam can also"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Blood-letting day for many I.T. related counters today though STi was down only minimally
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edwinjup Supreme	14-Oct-2014 17:07        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Did sgx ever issued trade with cautious when.share jumped from.30c to.50c...... Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:58) Posted: Best thing is such a hot topic now, but SGX still sleeping. edwinjup      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:45) Posted: Just wanna...anyone using.cfd to short recently....
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TSSRAYMOND Member	14-Oct-2014 17:06        TSSRAYMOND About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If u invest long term, do not worry about the current price, the price is so cheap, I bought more   than 150 lots today about 33.5 ave. Every year the company will give us more than 6% yield. Pls do not listen to those call. Valuetronics established in 1992. Made profit & give good dividend every year since IPO. Base on their latest annual report, the ave dividend yield is 8.475% since IPO The company has cash 0f HK$440,998,000, NAV is HK2.05 Wish u good luck & make some $ from this company vicloo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:31) Posted: Hi raymond... so u confident that valuetronics continue to do well or do ok right. Frankly... i am quite panic today too... can we really hold this counter for long. TSSRAYMOND      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:27) Posted: When some one made a call, this share shoot up more than 100% from less than 0.30 to 0.59. when another one made another call that the share can go down to 0.25, this share straight away drop more than 15%. I pity those ppl who listen to them bought the share at more than 0.50 & now want to sell at about 0.32. I never believe all this call, If they r so clever, all of them can make million of $, no need to make this call. if u believe them, u always kena eatern up. Pls invest carefully wish all good luck
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nqing87 Supreme	14-Oct-2014 17:00        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	it just make investing hard.. i was also quite attracted to valuetronics as well for its dividend policy and no debt.. i was waiting for it to cool down slowly after the euphoria but did not expect the analyst to become roti prata man & flip their tp to such  low level enough  to cause panic lol.. Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:35) Posted: Fully agree with you.  That' s why I implied why such an abitrary PE.  Where do they pluck it from.  More importantly, why is their call so powerful that there appears to be a herd instinct to sell? nqing87      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:20) Posted: yea i saw that they value it with lower p/e, but the question is in first place, they value the company lower ' cos of uncertainty of good profits  which means they probably expecting lower profits etc.. but they are estimating the profit to be like only slightly less.. if they think that profit is only going to drop like around 9% in 2015, shouldnt they value it down proportionally also (ie 7x0.9=6.3 p/e, instead of calling 4)  lol.. it' s like saying im expecting profits to rise, but i give a much lower valuation ' cos of uncertainty of good profits.. contradicting isint it lol..
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:58        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Best thing is such a hot topic now, but SGX still sleeping. edwinjup      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:45) Posted: Just wanna...anyone using.cfd to short recently..... Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:38) Posted: Tis the time for SIAS to have a say.  Is there something hanky panky?  Shd this be looked into more deeply?
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edwinjup Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:45        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just wanna...anyone using.cfd to short recently..... Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:38) Posted: Tis the time for SIAS to have a say.  Is there something hanky panky?  Shd this be looked into more deeply? buylist      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:35) Posted: Where are all praise singing brokers, investors when the slide is vertical? Balls got squeeze and dont even dare to shout. I remember when it is above 40c and ppl still shout cheong ah... with unreasonable valuation call..
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:45        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Even when Vard came out with the very nasty news of the tax issue in Brazil, which is real as opposed to the guess work of some may-not-be-trusted analyst in this case, the knee-jerk reaction was far less severe the following morning.  Imagine a call like that can cause a sudden 15% plunge in price, then I think it' s time for SGX to seriously look at the issue/s more closely and consider, among other things, issuing guidelines for analysts recommendations. Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:38) Posted: Tis the time for SIAS to have a say.  Is there something hanky panky?  Shd this be looked into more deeply? buylist      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:35) Posted: Where are all praise singing brokers, investors when the slide is vertical? Balls got squeeze and dont even dare to shout. I remember when it is above 40c and ppl still shout cheong ah... with unreasonable valuation call..
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:38        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Tis the time for SIAS to have a say.  Is there something hanky panky?  Shd this be looked into more deeply? buylist      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:35) Posted: Where are all praise singing brokers, investors when the slide is vertical? Balls got squeeze and dont even dare to shout. I remember when it is above 40c and ppl still shout cheong ah... with unreasonable valuation call..
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buylist Senior	14-Oct-2014 16:35        buylist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Where are all praise singing brokers, investors when the slide is vertical? Balls got squeeze and dont even dare to shout. I remember when it is above 40c and ppl still shout cheong ah... with unreasonable valuation call..
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:35        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Fully agree with you.  That' s why I implied why such an abitrary PE.  Where do they pluck it from.  More importantly, why is their call so powerful that there appears to be a herd instinct to sell? nqing87      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:20) Posted: yea i saw that they value it with lower p/e, but the question is in first place, they value the company lower ' cos of uncertainty of good profits  which means they probably expecting lower profits etc.. but they are estimating the profit to be like only slightly less.. if they think that profit is only going to drop like around 9% in 2015, shouldnt they value it down proportionally also (ie 7x0.9=6.3 p/e, instead of calling 4)  lol.. it' s like saying im expecting profits to rise, but i give a much lower valuation ' cos of uncertainty of good profits.. contradicting isint it lol.. Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:12) Posted: That' s because to value at 4+ times PE agatinst 7+ times PE (industry 9+ times PE).  Their justification for reducing the PE cos the LED issue is not over yet and there' s uncertainty.  They can say what they like cos they are not answerable to anyone.  Strange thing is why is everyone apparently so convinced by their TP, based on such low PE (not too convincing too, I' d think) that all are rushing for the exit?  Also, before a report of such demning magnitude is issued, I assumed they' d have engaged the coy first.
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hengsway114 Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:33        hengsway114 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Gobal meltdown. Very common. You buy they throw you catch they throw again and you panic. Tomorrow throw again who is going to catch. If got spare cash then catch loh and pray it goes up. Panic means ,,,,,,,
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:31        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Come to think of it, cld the sudden price surge in July 14 have been an engineered PAD (pump and dump) business?  Think. TSSRAYMOND      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:27) Posted: When some one made a call, this share shoot up more than 100% from less than 0.30 to 0.59. when another one made another call that the share can go down to 0.25, this share straight away drop more than 15%. I pity those ppl who listen to them bought the share at more than 0.50 & now want to sell at about 0.32. I never believe all this call, If they r so clever, all of them can make million of $, no need to make this call. if u believe them, u always kena eatern up. Pls invest carefully wish all good luck   edwinjup      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 14:11) Posted: Ke calls always powerful.......
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vicloo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:31        vicloo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hi raymond... so u confident that valuetronics continue to do well or do ok right. Frankly... i am quite panic today too... can we really hold this counter for long. TSSRAYMOND      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:27) Posted: When some one made a call, this share shoot up more than 100% from less than 0.30 to 0.59. when another one made another call that the share can go down to 0.25, this share straight away drop more than 15%. I pity those ppl who listen to them bought the share at more than 0.50 & now want to sell at about 0.32. I never believe all this call, If they r so clever, all of them can make million of $, no need to make this call. if u believe them, u always kena eatern up. Pls invest carefully wish all good luck   edwinjup      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 14:11) Posted: Ke calls always powerful.......
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TSSRAYMOND Member	14-Oct-2014 16:27        TSSRAYMOND About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	When some one made a call, this share shoot up more than 100% from less than 0.30 to 0.59. when another one made another call that the share can go down to 0.25, this share straight away drop more than 15%. I pity those ppl who listen to them bought the share at more than 0.50 & now want to sell at about 0.32. I never believe all this call, If they r so clever, all of them can make million of $, no need to make this call. if u believe them, u always kena eatern up. Pls invest carefully wish all good luck   edwinjup      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 14:11) Posted: Ke calls always powerful........ vicloo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 14:03) Posted: This damned report is causing such a big deal... man!!
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pylsce Member	14-Oct-2014 16:26        pylsce About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is unbelievable. Total nightmare! In so short time, this stock go from hot stock to rubbish.It is so wrong man.
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Qanghoo Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:22        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The irony o fthis whole analysts' business is that they are writing as if they are running the show and the coy is taking things lying down and not doing anything abt it when they are the first to have to react.  Yes, we may worry that they may not be so successful in taking remedial action.  But to assign a zero value is grossly overdone.  I' d suggested to some officials before that analysts ought to be properly supervised.  But ..... vicloo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:09) Posted: Would good earning still come in next quarter? If it is the stock will surely rebound sharply 6685ww      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 15:57) Posted: cheap LED product from China is already there for years, not just happened like yesterday. what i read from teh report, it seems that the whole LED segment is going to collapse and KE valued it at 0x p/e, is it really that bad, is that really so worthless segment?   from a coy point of view, you are not going to change your supplier like within a day or two, there will be some indiciaton at least when youa re going to change your supplier. u wont change it just after long day meeting and the board concludes that there is a need of such changes.   from all the recent repots from brokers, it seems that valuetronic is relatively performing well in the sectors, some of the brokers do recommend a 60cents tp, but within a monht, it like roller coaster dropped from 50+c to today 33c... there is a very big gap between from what the markewt expect and what it is actually happened now... can the mgt or the company explain all this pleasE?
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Roxy1968 Senior	14-Oct-2014 16:21        Roxy1968 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Is there any hope to recover soon?
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nqing87 Supreme	14-Oct-2014 16:20        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yea i saw that they value it with lower p/e, but the question is in first place, they value the company lower ' cos of uncertainty of good profits  which means they probably expecting lower profits etc.. but they are estimating the profit to be like only slightly less.. if they think that profit is only going to drop like around 9% in 2015, shouldnt they value it down proportionally also (ie 7x0.9=6.3 p/e, instead of calling 4)  lol.. it' s like saying im expecting profits to rise, but i give a much lower valuation ' cos of uncertainty of good profits.. contradicting isint it lol.. Qanghoo      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:12) Posted: That' s because to value at 4+ times PE agatinst 7+ times PE (industry 9+ times PE).  Their justification for reducing the PE cos the LED issue is not over yet and there' s uncertainty.  They can say what they like cos they are not answerable to anyone.  Strange thing is why is everyone apparently so convinced by their TP, based on such low PE (not too convincing too, I' d think) that all are rushing for the exit?  Also, before a report of such demning magnitude is issued, I assumed they' d have engaged the coy first. nqing87      ( Date: 14-Oct-2014 16:02) Posted: i saw the KE report, they forecast the 2015 revenue to be HKD 2496mil, 2016 to be HKD 2491mil, 2017 to be HKD 2511mil.. 2014 revenue is HKD 2433mil.. core net profit estimate 2015 to be 134.6mil, 2016 to be 128mil, 2017 to be 139.8mil.. compare with 2014 core profit 147.9mil.. so 147.9mil to 134.6mil is about 9% drop in profit as per their forecast.. but they put at TP of 25 cents base on last price 40cents in their report, which is 38% reduction.. i dont get it.. lol.. if they forecast profit to drop by 9% from 2014 to 2015, why their TP reduce 38%??
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ash902 Veteran	14-Oct-2014 16:19        ash902 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	head and shoulders.....
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francisd Master	14-Oct-2014 16:18        francisd About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "BUY LOW SELL HIGH"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Strange, no querry from SGX... wonder why inspite of the rise in vol. and a fall in price... huh. Cheers.
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