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25-Jul-2015 17:32

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Hi guys, it's a Saturday. Relax with family and friends. Don't get hostile. Nothing wrong to air negative views.. But too much makes people wonder if there's any motive.
To add, I think qt must have contemplated rights issue. But major shareholder three arch and luminor probably said they cannot do due to fund mandate. Edb probably says they cannot commit further funds as their objective is to help incubate and not an investment house. Johnson & Johnson already sold their cordis distribution arm to Cardinal health. So that's why they turn to other white knights.. No deal can be too good to be true. Maybe they need to buy another 13mln in the market. We never know. So shorts better think twice.

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25-Jul-2015 17:25

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Don't want to waste my time on you liao. Arranging my funds for Monday battle. I just hope that I don't see you on the other side of the field... If not soon you will disappear just like notsostupid....

sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 17:20) Posted:

promoted to potential buyer liao.....

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 17:10) Posted:

Wah now use 激将法！ no use one la... Your motive is very clear....
All these while your comments are negative....
It had never been helpful.
You don't hold any shares here but keep posting negative comments...
Possibilities are:
1) you are too free
2) you are shorting
3) you are from Angioscore camp or
4) you are the next potential buyer who wish to acquire QT at low price...
I hope you are possibility 1, too free if not you will be disappointed when Monday comes

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25-Jul-2015 17:20

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promoted to potential buyer liao.....

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 17:10) Posted:

sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:54) Posted:

I am not interested in your word, my word. I am more interested for someone to put up strong and healthy debate. I am more pragmatic and prefer to argue on facts rather than wishful thinking (most of the time that is).

Anyway, look out for these events:

- Q2 results

- Sept Patent Claim lawsuit

- appeal against lost State Law lawsuit

Each success will give QTV the lift it desperately need. Each failure just means more shit to come. Hopefully from now till some forseeable future, someone swallow up QTV with a good price tag. I think retailers has suffered enough liao.

Lastly, mgmt please be more fair to retailers. Don' t always release news in such a way that gives some more time to react than others.

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25-Jul-2015 17:20

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I fully agreed! A forum gave us space to air our opinion.
At times we feel that opportunities coming, we air our positive comments, at time we feel no chance, we may air negative comments or we keep mum...
But our friend here was all these while posting negative....
What's our friend's motive???

Sunstar ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 17:12) Posted:

A forum gives each and everyone a space to air their opinion. Sheerluck is just airing his view. To me, it's positive news that qt is able to raise funds to get breathing space to cross the finishing line. Vultures are circling them to buy them on the cheap if company is starved of funding.. Qt is simply fighting back. It's raw assumption that the investors will dump on the market. There could be pre arranged agreement to sell it as a block to funds when the company turns around. As I said, these investors took risk to give qt money. Shareholders should rejoice white knights came in to save. This cash injection should last them 2 years to fight back on the appeal case and for potential buyers to work due diligence for take over. Would current shareholders rather the company sink or have funding to fight back..answer is obvious

legolego ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:53) Posted:

Sheerluck, why are u so negative??? next week comes, we shall know who's ghost who's god.. Im going to load all once mkt open.

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25-Jul-2015 17:14

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Wah next week alone can see who is ghost or god? The week after will ghost turn god and god turn ghost? The point is no about whether my views are +ve or -ve.

legolego ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:53) Posted:

Sheerluck, why are u so negative??? next week comes, we shall know who's ghost who's god.. Im going to load all once mkt open.

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legolego ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:53) Posted:

Sheerluck, why are u so negative??? next week comes, we shall know who's ghost who's god.. Im going to load all once mkt open.

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sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:54) Posted:

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:40) Posted:

It's your words against mine.
I am going buy now or regret later.
Maybe you can sell now or regret later...
Anyway as per what I mentioned, you don't have any QT shares now, you may wish to short....
You are most welcome.
I am sure I will be the first few to pick up your short...

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25-Jul-2015 17:06

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I think you simply short your whole house in ald.. give me your contact num, come next week I will contact you to help you fetch a good price for your house to buy back whatever u shorted..
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25-Jul-2015 17:01

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Wah. Now I become a spy from Angioscore camp......not sure if I should be happy or not with this ?

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:46) Posted:

You can't be wrong....
I suspect you are from Angioscore camp....

sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:28) Posted:

Mr Ephraim was the founding CEO of Angioscore but i don' t think he is with Angioscore now if I am not wrong.

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sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:23) Posted:

I don' t what to say about this. Obviously this is too good to be true deal for these investors. But as what you said, we can say it is illogical but it is what is written in the agreement that counts in the court of law.

Assuming you are right, your scenario is entirely possible. QTV still gets their $13mil. Investors immediately recoup up to 90% of their capital although unlikely. Existing shareholders then ended up with even lower share price. Now it is unlikely that these new investors can recoup up to 90% of their capital since unleashing so many share, price likely collapse pretty quick. So investors also unlikely to sabo themselves like this. Ofc, they can buy back at dirt cheap price when more and more retailers cannot tahan. Either way, they don' t lose. They are effectively transferring money from the market to the company through these " new investors" .

This is pretty much what they did with the IPO. It is a private placement only at 28cts, no retailers got a single share. First day pump up and gradually dropped to 28cts but never below since selling below, the pre-IPO investors lose money. After day laters, analyst cook up nice story and price went up. Pre-IPO investors continue to unload. So company got their IPO proceed, pre-IPO got their investment + very nice profit back. Money doesn' t appear out of nowhere. So if coy got money, pre-IPO investors got profit, who gave to them? Retailers who are so naive to believe analysts bullshit to buy at high price of 40-50cts hoping for 60-70cts.

How credible are the mgmt? I let you decide yourself with these chronicle of events:

- 29 Apr - announced litigation - price dropped from 27cts to 22.5cts (before annoucing price already started to decline from 33cts. I don' t think retailer got a clue what is going on yet but hard to say about people close to the company!)

- 4 May - BOD support case to support price - price stabilise around 22.5cts (retailers probably feels quite assure by mgmt statement but over the few week, price gradually decline. Some people decided to get out quietly?)

- 20 May onwards - price started to drop from 22.5cts to 18.2cts

- 2 Jul - announced lost of state law claim - price plunged to 11.6cts (one forummer picked up a critical point here. The halt came one day after the litigation outcome. Trading volume as doubled compare to last few days on 1 Jul. Retailers still unaware of situation on 1 July but hard to say about people close to the company!)

People can be in denial and brush it off as coincidence. Up to individual.

So how much fortune has mgmt bring to their own investors and how much damages has mgmt bring to powerless retailers?

Now mgmt release aggreement with such ambiguity! Perhaps the clasue is as it is. Mgmt really want to suck retailers dry?

Either the mgmt clarify or the market will tell us the truth.

Buy now or regret later or buy now and regret later? Your choice.

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25-Jul-2015 16:53

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Sheerluck, why are u so negative??? next week comes, we shall know who's ghost who's god.. Im going to load all once mkt open.

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You can't be wrong....
I suspect you are from Angioscore camp....

sheerluck ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:28) Posted:

Mr Ephraim was the founding CEO of Angioscore but i don' t think he is with Angioscore now if I am not wrong.

Sunstar ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:16) Posted:

Agree, there's more than meets the eye when the founding ceo of Angioscore is one of the investors. Hope the opening price is not too high on Monday so I can buy cheaper 😝

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nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted:

Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

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Mr Ephraim was the founding CEO of Angioscore but i don' t think he is with Angioscore now if I am not wrong.

Sunstar ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 16:16) Posted:

Agree, there's more than meets the eye when the founding ceo of Angioscore is one of the investors. Hope the opening price is not too high on Monday so I can buy cheaper 😝

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:58) Posted:

Angioscore wanted to acquire QT but they can't swallow their pride...
Sueing QT is one of the best option.
Bring down the share price, giving them no chance to turn back eventually QT will ask for private settlement.
By then Angioscore will announce that they acquired QT out of pity or any other ridiculous reasons....
Angioscore will win back their pride and Aquired at low price.
QT do not want things to happen this way... They want to be Aquired but with pride and high price.
So this is a counter strategy....
Good luck to All QT supporters....

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nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted:

Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:10) Posted:

I only trust what i read from the announcement. I could have misinterpret the announcement, but i will need concrete and logical explanation to challenge the language that is used in the announcement. I intended to invest until i see the fine detail .... and will be happy if anyone can explain or contradict what i have interpreted below.

If my intepretation is correct, these anyone one pump up the shares, the investors could borrow to sell it first, and convert their bond. The profit will be higher. As explained below, the bond can be converted any time, and i didn' t see any selling restriction from the announcement.

Conversion

At any time from the closing date, the Bonds may be converte at a fixed conversion price of S$0.128 (" Fixed Conversion Price

-> I interpreted that the bond can be converted from the issuing date

Payment on Maturity

On Maturity Date, and irrespective of whether the Investors have converted their Bonds into Shares, the Company will pay to each Investor an amount equivalent to the principal amount of the Bonds subscribed by such Investor. Such amount will not be payable by the Company where the Investor has already received or is entitled to receive the payments in a Qualifying Exit Event.

-> I interpret this as " Investor can convert their bond at any time, but still get back the principal" . The only exception is based is based on qualifying Exit event.

Qualifying Exit Event

Occur prior to the Maturity Date:

(a) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of the Company and/or all or any of the Subsidiaries

(b) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of a major asset or business of the Group.

-> I intepret this that only when the company is sold, the company will need to pay the principle

Interest

The Bonds bear interest from the closing date of each tranche at the rate of 8.0% per annum, due and payable every six (6) months in arrears. Interest will cease to be payable on the Bonds in the event they are converted into Shares.

-> If convert the bond, no interest will be given. If can get 90% profit, why take the risk of not converting just for the 8%

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25-Jul-2015 16:16

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Agree, there's more than meets the eye when the founding ceo of Angioscore is one of the investors. Hope the opening price is not too high on Monday so I can buy cheaper 😝

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Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:39) Posted:

If you are the investors, at any point of time you can withdraw/exit. In return, you can have a bond conversation at $0.128. It is obvious that the share price will be higher than $0.128 by Monday. If you withdraw/exit with bond conversation, this is end of bond investment. Those who didn't withdraw/exit, you will then get the 8% benefit with principal.
I kept mentioning 8% is not the investor looking at...
Taking into consideration now, if price is $0.40 now, will there be anymore investors left in the bond???
This is what they are looking at, rather that 8% benefit.
This is what the management of QT looking at too...
By then acquisition price will be at $0.50....

Big boys also willing to buy at this price as all doubts are cleared and all awards are awarded.
They will then delist and enjoy and the future benefit by themselves.
This is the fate for QT Vascular.
Pricing is just my humble estimation.
It will varies based on how hungry is the market, investors and management....

It may not be convincing enough for you to invest now...
I can only say invest now or regret later....

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Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:39) Posted:

nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted:

Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

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25-Jul-2015 15:52

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I agree with your view... I intend to buy more on Monday as I think it's positive news to be able to secure funding

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nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted:

Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

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nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted:

Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:10) Posted:

Conversion

At any time from the closing date, the Bonds may be converte at a fixed conversion price of S$0.128 (" Fixed Conversion Price

-> I interpreted that the bond can be converted from the issuing date

Payment on Maturity

-> I interpret this as " Investor can convert their bond at any time, but still get back the principal" . The only exception is based is based on qualifying Exit event.

Qualifying Exit Event

Occur prior to the Maturity Date:

(a) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of the Company and/or all or any of the Subsidiaries

(b) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of a major asset or business of the Group.

-> I intepret this that only when the company is sold, the company will need to pay the principle

Interest

-> If convert the bond, no interest will be given. If can get 90% profit, why take the risk of not converting just for the 8%

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Sorry, i meant " If my intepretation is correct, if anyone pumps up the shares, the investors can borrow shares to sell it first, and convert their bond later.

nngeeh ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 15:10) Posted:

Conversion

At any time from the closing date, the Bonds may be converte at a fixed conversion price of S$0.128 (" Fixed Conversion Price

-> I interpreted that the bond can be converted from the issuing date

Payment on Maturity

-> I interpret this as " Investor can convert their bond at any time, but still get back the principal" . The only exception is based is based on qualifying Exit event.

Qualifying Exit Event

Occur prior to the Maturity Date:

(a) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of the Company and/or all or any of the Subsidiaries

(b) entry by the Company into legally binding agreements for the sale of a major asset or business of the Group.

-> I intepret this that only when the company is sold, the company will need to pay the principle

Interest

-> If convert the bond, no interest will be given. If can get 90% profit, why take the risk of not converting just for the 8%

Fatm@n ( Date: 25-Jul-2015 12:30) Posted:

This is not logical at all.
You must have misunderstood the condition.
What you understand, is placing $13mil and get back $11.7mil immediately which means only $1.3mil is invested. 18 mths later from $1.3mil, you get $13mil plus 8%.
If this is the case, every mother son will fight to be the investors....
Then the fund shouldn't be only $13mil it could be so much so much more....
Please be sensible....

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