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whitenight Member	28-Feb-2018 08:37        whitenight About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Exactly the point - who will pay > 1b for the privilege of losing > 60m a year? Power situation will improve if  (a) many power intensive company move into singapore (demand) (b) many people close their power plant (supply) I think not much hope for that in 2018/2019, so it will continue to lose $$.
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MichaelSchenker Master	28-Feb-2018 08:33        MichaelSchenker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Anybody here familiar with this counter can remember if Hyflux planning any Rights issue, was it mooted? Looks like they need some funds atm. I could be wrong, though.
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triphopper Senior	28-Feb-2018 08:23        triphopper About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	CEO say no need firesale Tuaspring.... Still got brand recognition... Blah blah blah... Independent Director say have to use personal connection go beyond banks to find buyers for Tuaspring. So who is telling the truth?!?!
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investshare Supreme	28-Feb-2018 08:09        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Since power is not their core biz, to invest in such big scale show their recklessness. xtraderx      ( Date: 28-Feb-2018 08:08) Posted: Tuas spring is an integrated water and power plant.  Hyflux is losing money on the plant because (they claim) the local electricity market is oversupplied, apparently they think less power generation companies and/or higher electricity prices is the answer to their woes. Maybe they should stop lobbying the govt to raise electricity prices and consider getting out of the market so that everyone else can start making profit. Interesting that they value Tuas spring, a loss making asset at 1.3b on their balance sheet, I wonder who is going to pay 1.3b for this just to lose money operating it? investshare      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:25) Posted: Actually it is a water company, how come do power
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xtraderx Veteran	28-Feb-2018 08:08        xtraderx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Tuas spring is an integrated water and power plant.  Hyflux is losing money on the plant because (they claim) the local electricity market is oversupplied, apparently they think less power generation companies and/or higher electricity prices is the answer to their woes. Maybe they should stop lobbying the govt to raise electricity prices and consider getting out of the market so that everyone else can start making profit. Interesting that they value Tuas spring, a loss making asset at 1.3b on their balance sheet, I wonder who is going to pay 1.3b for this just to lose money operating it? investshare      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:25) Posted: Actually it is a water company, how come do power? angmohlin      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 18:46) Posted: Hyflux reported that unless the Singapore power market shows improvement, the Group expects to continue recording losses in 2018..
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angmohlin Veteran	27-Feb-2018 23:34        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don' t think so but only a shareholder many many year ago. Don' t think TH still holding the share. john_ric      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 23:30) Posted: is TH one of major holders?
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john_ric Supreme	27-Feb-2018 23:30        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	is TH one of major holders?
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investshare Supreme	27-Feb-2018 20:58        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good at least you can see the point. On top of it, it said it is to fund the ?growth?, take note it is not to settle existing debt. So likely a right issue before issuing new shares. SimpleTrade      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 20:34) Posted: Potential investors, meaning the co has to issue additional shares at discount to them. This will further dilute the earnings per share, but on the other hand may help to boost(sustain) the business.
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SimpleTrade Senior	27-Feb-2018 20:34        SimpleTrade About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Potential investors, meaning the co has to issue additional shares at discount to them. This will further dilute the earnings per share, but on the other hand may help to boost(sustain) the business.
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john_ric Supreme	27-Feb-2018 20:23        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	besides the potential " intention to inject additional funds for the Group" i wonder any other silver lining in the reporting??
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mrwise Supreme	27-Feb-2018 20:16        mrwise About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Opportunity to buy now... Not a totally losing business ...some good news should come soon... Dyodd...
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danger Supreme	27-Feb-2018 19:51        danger About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	BUY OVER BY SOME SAUDI BIG COMPANIES OR BY ABU DHABI SWF ? qiuwang      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:09) Posted: Any thought on the following? " The group has also been recently approached by several potential investors interested in strategic collaboration, with intention to inject additional funds for the Group' s growth activities.  One of the main attractions for these investors is the Group' s strong track record in the seawater desalination sector, which is an important competitive advantge for securing international water projects.  The discussions are currently taking place.  More details will be shared when developments reach a more conclusive stage."
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alexchew Master	27-Feb-2018 19:36        alexchew About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	how about rights issue? They haven tap into shareholders pocket for sometime, john_ric      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:26) Posted: hope that is a true picture  - intention to inject additional funds for the Group and can materialize. qiuwang      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:09) Posted: Any thought on the following? " The group has also been recently approached by several potential investors interested in strategic collaboration, with intention to inject additional funds for the Group' s growth activities.  One of the main attractions for these investors is the Group' s strong track record in the seawater desalination sector, which is an important competitive advantge for securing international water projects.  The discussions are currently taking place.  More details will be shared when developments reach a more conclusive stage."
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investshare Supreme	27-Feb-2018 19:28        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	And many perceived strategic investors wanting to pump money into the company. investshare      ( Date: 26-Feb-2018 17:52) Posted: Perceived strong major shareholders. Perceived leader in the Industry. Perceived to own a lot of asset. Good profit. Never failed to pay bond interest. But selling away asset one by one ... Err I am talking about Noble.
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john_ric Supreme	27-Feb-2018 19:26        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	hope that is a true picture  - intention to inject additional funds for the Group and can materialize. qiuwang      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 19:09) Posted: Any thought on the following? " The group has also been recently approached by several potential investors interested in strategic collaboration, with intention to inject additional funds for the Group' s growth activities.  One of the main attractions for these investors is the Group' s strong track record in the seawater desalination sector, which is an important competitive advantge for securing international water projects.  The discussions are currently taking place.  More details will be shared when developments reach a more conclusive stage."
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investshare Supreme	27-Feb-2018 19:25        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Actually it is a water company, how come do power? angmohlin      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 18:46) Posted: Hyflux reported that unless the Singapore power market shows improvement, the Group expects to continue recording losses in 2018..
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qiuwang Member	27-Feb-2018 19:09        qiuwang About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Any thought on the following? " The group has also been recently approached by several potential investors interested in strategic collaboration, with intention to inject additional funds for the Group' s growth activities.  One of the main attractions for these investors is the Group' s strong track record in the seawater desalination sector, which is an important competitive advantge for securing international water projects.  The discussions are currently taking place.  More details will be shared when developments reach a more conclusive stage."
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angmohlin Veteran	27-Feb-2018 19:00        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I opine that Hyflux will pay the interest for the CPS as they still have cash. Nothing is hinted that they will not going to pay the interest.  john_ric      ( Date: 27-Feb-2018 18:53) Posted: april should be 6%. but does it has the money to pay ?? ' poor woman' already. . ​ .
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investshare Supreme	27-Feb-2018 18:57        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It is funny that people blame insider, management, BB, SGX, MAS, etc when the obvious is so obvious. investshare      ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 22:23) Posted: But Hyflux already negative cash flow for so long, no need insider to tell you the problem. whenissued      ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 21:30) Posted: Hyflux 6% CPS has been tanking for some time. As a forumer has earlier pointed out, the yield for this CPS would now technically be 10%+ IF AND ONLY IF the bond interest is paid out. If the bond interest is not paid, the following will automatically kick in as per the terms and conditions of the CPS issue: (1) the bond interest accumulates and will "carry over" to the next scheduled bond interest payment date (2) since the "P" in the CPS stands for "Preference", if no bond interest payment is made, the Hyflux mother share shall receive no dividend payment absolutely. This "default in bond interest payment" scenario will definitely cause an instant loss of confidence in Hyflux as a going business concern. Hyflux mother shares will tank drastically akin to a run on a bank. Since short-selling has been allowed in Singapore, the skanky BB short-sellers will come and play and drive all Hyflux securities downwards at a faster clip. Looks like the selling has started on the bond issues. Or has someone with insider information know something that we the public don't know and is bailing out/short-selling to make obscene profits? Your guess is as good as mine...
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john_ric Supreme	27-Feb-2018 18:55        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	to redeem needs 100% ​ to pay interest is only 6%. she dont even has 6% ??
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