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investor999 Elite	31-May-2021 13:50        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Cucina is right. You cannot have trading without shares to back up. There is a number of tradable shares. These shares are recycled.   Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:04) Posted: I am giving you advice. You seem to be a novice investor999      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:02) Posted: Ah ? If you have insight or you know..just share lah. Don't need to tell me like tha
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 13:27        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I hv a moving TP. I update the TP based on their quarterly performance or I feel the fundamentals is turning lower Jasongan      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:18) Posted: So whats ur TP?mine at 1.85 Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:09) Posted: I am a value investor. I do not look into the volume of shorts. I am vested in this company. The shorts only cause more volatility in its short term price. My time horizon is at least 1 year
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Jasongan Member	31-May-2021 13:18        Jasongan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So whats ur TP?mine at 1.85 Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:09) Posted: I am a value investor. I do not look into the volume of shorts. I am vested in this company. The shorts only cause more volatility in its short term price. My time horizon is at least 1 year. cucina      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:05) Posted: The point is not about CFD trading.   It' s about the number of shares in circulation.   It' s finite.   Whatever shorts there are hv to be aggregated eventually.
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 13:09        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am a value investor. I do not look into the volume of shorts. I am vested in this company. The shorts only cause more volatility in its short term price. My time horizon is at least 1 year. cucina      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:05) Posted: The point is not about CFD trading.   It' s about the number of shares in circulation.   It' s finite.   Whatever shorts there are hv to be aggregated eventually.
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cucina Master	31-May-2021 13:05        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The point is not about CFD trading.   It' s about the number of shares in circulation.   It' s finite.   Whatever shorts there are hv to be aggregated eventually.
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 13:04        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am giving you advice. You seem to be a novice investor999      ( Date: 31-May-2021 13:02) Posted: Ah ? If you have insight or you know..just share lah. Don't need to tell me like that Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 12:59) Posted: Mutual arrangement with broker. CFD providers never do that. My advice to you is to get a book on CFD trading. Spend some money and time. Read up
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investor999 Elite	31-May-2021 13:02        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ah ? If you have insight or you know..just share lah. Don't need to tell me like that Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 12:59) Posted: Mutual arrangement with broker. CFD providers never do that. My advice to you is to get a book on CFD trading. Spend some money and time. Read up. investor999      ( Date: 31-May-2021 05:54) Posted: Still have to hedge by buying or selling physical shares OR mutual arrangment with brokers with actual shares. Ultimatetly the total shares floats should be correct right
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 12:59        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Mutual arrangement with broker. CFD providers never do that. My advice to you is to get a book on CFD trading. Spend some money and time. Read up. investor999      ( Date: 31-May-2021 05:54) Posted: Still have to hedge by buying or selling physical shares OR mutual arrangment with brokers with actual shares. Ultimatetly the total shares floats should be correct right? Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 01:44) Posted: This is inaccurate. IG markets will not hold any stocks. Holding them is a risk. What they do is that they hedge against the aggregate buy and sell to achieve what the CFD providers do is to get delta neutral position, either using real physical stocks or synthetic holdings. CDD providers like IG make a profit from the gap between the buy and sell quote as well as the belief that in the long run, no one can beats the market. You can make money from your IG trades and brag about it but there are many other traders that got burnt (and thus IG gains) and in aggregate they mark a profit. Ever wonder where they make profits year after year from
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 12:57        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Study their Q1 report. Look at the graphs. Look at the numbers. Then, make your own calculated estimation. My advice is two-fold. If your are here to look into short term trades and study the volume of shorts, then you are just a trader. If you are a value trader, then your horizon is longer and you will get to reap the rewards of your hard work. And you know where is the actual value of this company. investor999      ( Date: 31-May-2021 09:52) Posted: I am really blur on RS..
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highlander Senior	31-May-2021 11:44        highlander About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, being included in the MSCI small cap index is certainly a stamp of confidence for RS. Believe more funds will be investing in it from now on... cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 23:30) Posted: In my mind, the brokers should, else how SGX can tabulate the numbers and aggregate it?  There may be gaps due to time lag but in the end it should all add up as number of shares in issurance is finite.    If u hv a broker friend u can perhaps verify it.  Brokers pay millions in licence fee to SGX and to keep their seat I suppose they hv a ton of rules to follow. If you are long in the counter, let the price discovery takes place.  Earnings drive the share price.  The correct valuation may not happen today or tomorrow, but eventually the market will take notice.  Becoming included in the MSCI small cap is pointing to the right direction.  It will gain visibility going forward. investor999      ( Date: 30-May-2021 22:14) Posted: So do the brokers report all their nett short positions ? In that case the short numbers should be correct as at reporting dates? I think the high short positions means there are alot of buyers and so far the brokers are still able to supply the shares
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coolbear123 Senior	31-May-2021 09:55        coolbear123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Coming soon.. tritonyeah6666      ( Date: 27-May-2021 18:17) Posted: Hmm, why ah? Can share more? coolbear123      ( Date: 27-May-2021 17:20) Posted: 1.45 tmr for sure. Goodluck
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investor999 Elite	31-May-2021 09:52        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am really blur on RS..
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investor999 Elite	31-May-2021 05:54        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Still have to hedge by buying or selling physical shares OR mutual arrangment with brokers with actual shares. Ultimatetly the total shares floats should be correct right? Due_Dilligence      ( Date: 31-May-2021 01:44) Posted: This is inaccurate. IG markets will not hold any stocks. Holding them is a risk. What they do is that they hedge against the aggregate buy and sell to achieve what the CFD providers do is to get delta neutral position, either using real physical stocks or synthetic holdings. CDD providers like IG make a profit from the gap between the buy and sell quote as well as the belief that in the long run, no one can beats the market. You can make money from your IG trades and brag about it but there are many other traders that got burnt (and thus IG gains) and in aggregate they mark a profit. Ever wonder where they make profits year after year from? cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 21:04) Posted: CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.
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Due_Dilligence Veteran	31-May-2021 01:44        Due_Dilligence About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is inaccurate. IG markets will not hold any stocks. Holding them is a risk. What they do is that they hedge against the aggregate buy and sell to achieve what the CFD providers do is to get delta neutral position, either using real physical stocks or synthetic holdings. CDD providers like IG make a profit from the gap between the buy and sell quote as well as the belief that in the long run, no one can beats the market. You can make money from your IG trades and brag about it but there are many other traders that got burnt (and thus IG gains) and in aggregate they mark a profit. Ever wonder where they make profits year after year from? cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 21:04) Posted: CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.   n3wbie      ( Date: 30-May-2021 12:14) Posted: The published data on outstanding shorts off MAS website is just the SBL pool - it also doesn' t take into account the shorts undertaken at CFD. Have been trying to figure out what is the ' real' total outstanding shorts on a company (SBL and CFDs) for a while but have not managed anything conclusive as yet. Would appreciate if anyone who knows may share please. Thanks
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cucina Master	30-May-2021 23:30        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In my mind, the brokers should, else how SGX can tabulate the numbers and aggregate it?  There may be gaps due to time lag but in the end it should all add up as number of shares in issurance is finite.    If u hv a broker friend u can perhaps verify it.  Brokers pay millions in licence fee to SGX and to keep their seat I suppose they hv a ton of rules to follow. If you are long in the counter, let the price discovery takes place.  Earnings drive the share price.  The correct valuation may not happen today or tomorrow, but eventually the market will take notice.  Becoming included in the MSCI small cap is pointing to the right direction.  It will gain visibility going forward. investor999      ( Date: 30-May-2021 22:14) Posted: So do the brokers report all their nett short positions ? In that case the short numbers should be correct as at reporting dates? I think the high short positions means there are alot of buyers and so far the brokers are still able to supply the shares. cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 21:04) Posted: CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.
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investor999 Elite	30-May-2021 22:14        investor999 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So do the brokers report all their nett short positions ? In that case the short numbers should be correct as at reporting dates? I think the high short positions means there are alot of buyers and so far the brokers are still able to supply the shares. cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 21:04) Posted: CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.   n3wbie      ( Date: 30-May-2021 12:14) Posted: The published data on outstanding shorts off MAS website is just the SBL pool - it also doesn' t take into account the shorts undertaken at CFD. Have been trying to figure out what is the ' real' total outstanding shorts on a company (SBL and CFDs) for a while but have not managed anything conclusive as yet. Would appreciate if anyone who knows may share please. Thanks
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sweet639 Veteran	30-May-2021 21:55        sweet639 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sorry I catch NO ball of what you are explaining. cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 21:04) Posted: CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.   n3wbie      ( Date: 30-May-2021 12:14) Posted: The published data on outstanding shorts off MAS website is just the SBL pool - it also doesn' t take into account the shorts undertaken at CFD. Have been trying to figure out what is the ' real' total outstanding shorts on a company (SBL and CFDs) for a while but have not managed anything conclusive as yet. Would appreciate if anyone who knows may share please. Thanks
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cucina Master	30-May-2021 21:04        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	CFDs are contracts one enter with the house providing it, let' s say IG markets.   IG markets hold certain number of physical shares n the CFDs can only be entered into with the house if the house hv enough scrips to go around.   If one open shorts n the house ran out of scrips the short trade cannot be opened.   In that sense, the physical number of shares held by the house is counted towards the pool of shorts reported by SGX.   CFDs are derivatives of the underlying physical shares held by the house.   This is how I understand it.   n3wbie      ( Date: 30-May-2021 12:14) Posted: The published data on outstanding shorts off MAS website is just the SBL pool - it also doesn' t take into account the shorts undertaken at CFD. Have been trying to figure out what is the ' real' total outstanding shorts on a company (SBL and CFDs) for a while but have not managed anything conclusive as yet. Would appreciate if anyone who knows may share please. Thanks. cucina      ( Date: 30-May-2021 11:29) Posted: Indeed it is puzzling. The MSCI rebalancing on 27 May volume...wud it then create a floor though on Fri it did close a tad below it. The short volumes numbers published really dun hv recency effect.  We dun really know how much outstanding shorts there are.  Cud the vol on 27 May closing also be short covering?? Hartalega and Supermax was reported to be in the sights for labor issues as reported in the Business Times sat.  Think glove counters may slip again.  Not sure if it would cast doubts on the rest in the industry.
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sweet639 Veteran	30-May-2021 19:11        sweet639 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Who are those people to declare FMCO  & why they want to declare?   PhillipTan      ( Date: 30-May-2021 17:04) Posted: Full Movement Control Order sweet639      ( Date: 30-May-2021 14:30) Posted: what is stand for FMCO
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ss2017. Supreme	30-May-2021 17:47        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That would depend on BBs have collected enough! sutiono      ( Date: 30-May-2021 13:34) Posted: All glove counters shoot to the sky last year when FMCO was declared . Hope history will repeat again.
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