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chinton86 Master	23-Oct-2016 11:15        chinton86 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	i think $1.80 is a short term fair price.
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Qanghoo Supreme	23-Oct-2016 00:27        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We will do our own assessments n decide the px we are comfortable with to enter ..... desmondquek      ( Date: 22-Oct-2016 22:22) Posted: Very fast below $2 soon...stay clear
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desmondquek Senior	22-Oct-2016 22:22        desmondquek About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Very fast below $2 soon...stay clear
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Qanghoo Supreme	20-Oct-2016 18:26        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Anyway, I have always thought hsets are not a good profit driver.  It' s a zero-sum thing.  All telcos do the same thing, no one wins.  But they also cannot don' t do it  if others  persist with it.  That' s why telcos, with the mkt being so crowded, need to be more innovative n think outside the box so to speak to fight to retain customers, generate more rev n fatten margins  from the increased opportunities (n of course increased competition) available in the mkt place offered by the island-wide fibre system n the ever accelerating cyber revolution among other things.  For example, one thing that truely impressed me was how Stel, probably to the surprise of even MDA (now merged with IDA?) went out of its way to sign exclusive agreement with BPL even as everyone thought MDA had put the issue to bed.  That is what I called really thinking out of the box - a great coup n master stroke to retain n win over paid TV customers.  SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 10:30) Posted: though without handset lock in, they are using sim plan 12/24 month service contract. Anyway, 4th telco not a good sign. " 4" ...\(+_+)/ Not healthy to have 4 telco. Even big countries also don' t have, more telco will also provide more loop holes, ng for SG. investshare      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 09:30) Posted: Without handset lock in, the earning quality is not as good. This will be fragile and easily snatched by 4th telco
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investshare Supreme	20-Oct-2016 18:18        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I look at it differently. Different investors use different ways to look at market. Some use TA, some us FA, some based rumors. Even TA and FA have different branch. It is hard to argue who is right and who is wrong. When someone sells, i look at it that he decides not to take risk based on his own belief. Qanghoo      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 18:08) Posted: Coys are not static.  humans are motivated animals so to speak.  When people start focusing only on negatives n keep talking shre px down, they almost always never realise that soul-searching n ' repairs' wld always be carried out.  seanpent      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 11:47) Posted: anyone notice despite Wilmar' s weak results, the share price has recovered to a high of 3.33 today ?    isn' t it many didn' t see  Wilmar' s opportunity when it was battered down after the results ?
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Qanghoo Supreme	20-Oct-2016 18:08        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Coys are not static.  humans are motivated animals so to speak.  When people start focusing only on negatives n keep talking shre px down, they almost always never realise that soul-searching n ' repairs' wld always be carried out.  seanpent      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 11:47) Posted: anyone notice despite Wilmar' s weak results, the share price has recovered to a high of 3.33 today ?    isn' t it many didn' t see  Wilmar' s opportunity when it was battered down after the results ? vivacious      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 11:41) Posted: Wait below 1.80???   SINGAPORE (Oct 19): Maybank Kim Eng and UOB Kay Hian are keeping their " sell" calls on M1 Limited, further lowering their target prices from $2.04 to $1.90 and from $2 to $1.76 respectively - while CIMB maintains its " hold" recommendation on the stock with a lower price target of $2.55 from $2.80 previously. This comes after the mobile operator yesterday posted a hefty 23.4% decline in 3Q earnings, which came in below the expectations of all three research houses.
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zandlery Supreme	20-Oct-2016 18:08        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I guess most of the weak holder buy base on someone advise or epic story......most probably they sell base on epic disastrous story.....story might be told by the same person anonymously. I guess it better to know what you are buying then hearsay..... SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 18:03) Posted: Actually, quite a useful method. Give the weak holders some reason to thing that price will crash. Then shortistis will short sell & hold for a period of time couple with some not so good results, then some weak holders will not be able to sleep & start to sell their stakes. This is more effective when use give them more " convincing" reasons. After that the ball rolled by itself, then the shortists will pick up cheap. Personally, i saw many weak holders & even fund managers kana con & squeeze out, by the time they realise..$$ already burned. zandlery      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 13:23) Posted: Sorry that i keep seeing ppl say pushing out weak holder all over place......no matter how I ponder, does not seen to have benefit from doing that..... Just sharing my thoughts.
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SuperLuckyCorn Supreme	20-Oct-2016 18:03        SuperLuckyCorn About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Actually, quite a useful method. Give the weak holders some reason to thing that price will crash. Then shortistis will short sell & hold for a period of time couple with some not so good results, then some weak holders will not be able to sleep & start to sell their stakes. This is more effective when use give them more " convincing" reasons. After that the ball rolled by itself, then the shortists will pick up cheap. Personally, i saw many weak holders & even fund managers kana con & squeeze out, by the time they realise..$$ already burned. zandlery      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 13:23) Posted: Sorry that i keep seeing ppl say pushing out weak holder all over place......no matter how I ponder, does not seen to have benefit from doing that..... Just sharing my thoughts.
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zandlery Supreme	20-Oct-2016 13:23        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sorry that i keep seeing ppl say pushing out weak holder all over place......no matter how I ponder, does not seen to have benefit from doing that..... Just sharing my thoughts.
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mistiq88 Veteran	20-Oct-2016 13:23        mistiq88 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	2.19 seems well supported?
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seanpent Supreme	20-Oct-2016 13:19        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	it' s still a question mark if the 4th telco will last more than 1-2 years ..... Winnerdrama      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 12:55) Posted: No idea why is the shares dropping when nothing is being put in place. Infrastructure / Testing / Trial / Contractual Agreement Virgin and Singtel Joint Venture closed in 2002 because they recognise that this is a saturated market http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1026165926595913080 Telco can handle this well - or at least effect wouldnt happen until 2-3 years later. 1. iPhone 7 Sales  If you walk around train and bus stops, you would have seen the M1 advert for iphone 7. Imagine, someone signs up for an iPhone/Samsung from October' 16 - Mar-17. Contract lock in period - 1 to 2 years. 2. Hassle of Switching Broadband Devices   3. Wait and See Theory ViewQWest and Optic Fibre
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SuperLuckyCorn Supreme	20-Oct-2016 13:15        SuperLuckyCorn About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hmm...may be someone trying to push out weak holders. Winnerdrama      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 12:55) Posted: No idea why is the shares dropping when nothing is being put in place. Infrastructure / Testing / Trial / Contractual Agreement Virgin and Singtel Joint Venture closed in 2002 because they recognise that this is a saturated market http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1026165926595913080 Telco can handle this well - or at least effect wouldnt happen until 2-3 years later. 1. iPhone 7 Sales  If you walk around train and bus stops, you would have seen the M1 advert for iphone 7. Imagine, someone signs up for an iPhone/Samsung from October' 16 - Mar-17. Contract lock in period - 1 to 2 years. 2. Hassle of Switching Broadband Devices   3. Wait and See Theory ViewQWest and Optic Fibre
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Winnerdrama Member	20-Oct-2016 12:55        Winnerdrama About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No idea why is the shares dropping when nothing is being put in place. Infrastructure / Testing / Trial / Contractual Agreement Virgin and Singtel Joint Venture closed in 2002 because they recognise that this is a saturated market http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1026165926595913080 Telco can handle this well - or at least effect wouldnt happen until 2-3 years later. 1. iPhone 7 Sales  If you walk around train and bus stops, you would have seen the M1 advert for iphone 7. Imagine, someone signs up for an iPhone/Samsung from October' 16 - Mar-17. Contract lock in period - 1 to 2 years. 2. Hassle of Switching Broadband Devices   3. Wait and See Theory ViewQWest and Optic Fibre
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jeremyow Master	20-Oct-2016 12:31        jeremyow About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Passionate business investor"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haha! You are a good example to show that M1 really act on what they say in their most recent financial presentation on one of their objectives which is to attract new customers and retain existing customers!     zandlery      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 12:22) Posted: The competition might not be good for their stock price but in a consumer point of view....definitely is a good thing. I just recontract my internet broadband and the customer service try to pull out a lof of good deal to retain customer.
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zandlery Supreme	20-Oct-2016 12:22        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The competition might not be good for their stock price but in a consumer point of view....definitely is a good thing. I just recontract my internet broadband and the customer service try to pull out a lof of good deal to retain customer.
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jeremyow Master	20-Oct-2016 12:15        jeremyow About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Passionate business investor"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This does challenge the traditional notion that telcos are defensive stocks. If more players come into the same industry and provide similar products and service offerings to the same limited pool of client/ customer base, then that defensive industry will no longer become as defensive as the portion of the pie each player has becomes smaller. Looking at the recent results release of M1 with lesser handset sales, it does show that competition is keen as the other telcos are also offering sales of handsets. We got to look deeper into the types of prodcuts and services that the different telcos are offering. If many of the products such as handsets and services such as broadband internet or even certain corporate telecommunication services are similar in their nature, it could result in keen competition as the 4th telco gets approval from IDA. This is especially true if the switching cost for a client/ customer (whether individual or corporate) from one telco to another is low.  It very much depends on the cost of barrier of entry to the products and services in the telco industry. If it is a low barrier of entry for the teleco industry as a whole for many of their products and services, then the industry may not seem to be that defensive as traditionally perceived. The last thing any industry does not hope for is a price war among competitors offering similar products and services with low barrier of entry (if there is no rules and regulations governing minimum price settings for a similar product or service) which will only erode away each other' s profit margins.           Qanghoo      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 10:37) Posted: I think for teochews, 4 is not inauspicious.  Say what we like, if they have decided to go ahead, there' s nothing we can do.  Remember Virgin Mobile?  What happened?  But, of course, the competitive landscape is so much more varied now n offers those who dare take the plunge  - see if they have the stamina n the umph to make it.  Even last presidential election, many thought 4 were too many.  But .... So, let' s watch things play out ...... SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 10:30) Posted: though without handset lock in, they are using sim plan 12/24 month service contract. Anyway, 4th telco not a good sign. " 4" ...\(+_+)/ Not healthy to have 4 telco. Even big countries also don' t have, more telco will also provide more loop holes, ng for SG.
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seanpent Supreme	20-Oct-2016 11:47        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	anyone notice despite Wilmar' s weak results, the share price has recovered to a high of 3.33 today ?    isn' t it many didn' t see  Wilmar' s opportunity when it was battered down after the results ? vivacious      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 11:41) Posted: Wait below 1.80???   SINGAPORE (Oct 19): Maybank Kim Eng and UOB Kay Hian are keeping their " sell" calls on M1 Limited, further lowering their target prices from $2.04 to $1.90 and from $2 to $1.76 respectively - while CIMB maintains its " hold" recommendation on the stock with a lower price target of $2.55 from $2.80 previously. This comes after the mobile operator yesterday posted a hefty 23.4% decline in 3Q earnings, which came in below the expectations of all three research houses.
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SuperLuckyCorn Supreme	20-Oct-2016 11:45        SuperLuckyCorn About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Kim Eng, Kay Hian & Philips...these are the 3 notti notti in our eyes. vivacious      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 11:41) Posted: Wait below 1.80???   SINGAPORE (Oct 19): Maybank Kim Eng and UOB Kay Hian are keeping their " sell" calls on M1 Limited, further lowering their target prices from $2.04 to $1.90 and from $2 to $1.76 respectively - while CIMB maintains its " hold" recommendation on the stock with a lower price target of $2.55 from $2.80 previously. This comes after the mobile operator yesterday posted a hefty 23.4% decline in 3Q earnings, which came in below the expectations of all three research houses.
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vivacious Supreme	20-Oct-2016 11:41        vivacious About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Wait below 1.80???   SINGAPORE (Oct 19): Maybank Kim Eng and UOB Kay Hian are keeping their " sell" calls on M1 Limited, further lowering their target prices from $2.04 to $1.90 and from $2 to $1.76 respectively - while CIMB maintains its " hold" recommendation on the stock with a lower price target of $2.55 from $2.80 previously. This comes after the mobile operator yesterday posted a hefty 23.4% decline in 3Q earnings, which came in below the expectations of all three research houses.
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SuperLuckyCorn Supreme	20-Oct-2016 10:39        SuperLuckyCorn About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ha..u r right. Let' s watch together. Qanghoo      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 10:37) Posted: I think for teochews, 4 is not inauspicious.  Say what we like, if they have decided to go ahead, there' s nothing we can do.  Remember Virgin Mobile?  What happened?  But, of course, the competitive landscape is so much more varied now n offers those who dare take the plunge  - see if they have the stamina n the umph to make it.  Even last presidential election, many thought 4 were too many.  But .... So, let' s watch things play out ...... SuperLuckyCorn      ( Date: 20-Oct-2016 10:30) Posted: though without handset lock in, they are using sim plan 12/24 month service contract. Anyway, 4th telco not a good sign. " 4" ...\(+_+)/ Not healthy to have 4 telco. Even big countries also don' t have, more telco will also provide more loop holes, ng for SG.
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