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eddyeddy
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30-Aug-2023 20:47
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200m is grossly inadequate
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mr_wealth
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30-Aug-2023 20:18
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Just need to raise 200 million. What is so tough? At least the rental yield is maintained
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eddyeddy
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30-Aug-2023 19:29
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Share price so low , how to do rights to raise enough fund ? | ||||
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cmengchan
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30-Aug-2023 19:24
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Probably most shareholders will not subscribe to rights. Likely not doable.
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mr_wealth
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30-Aug-2023 18:58
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This is raiding our money. Why need to sell off at such a low price? Just raise rights la. | ||||
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cmengchan
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30-Aug-2023 17:15
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Manulife US REIT slashes value of Irvine office building to $256MMichelson Drive tower was once priced at $345M, among the highest in OC Manulife US REIT has lowered the value of a 19-story office building in Irvine ahead of a potential sale. The Singapore-based real estate investment trust downgraded the value of the 536,000-square-foot tower at 3161 Michelson Drive to $256 million, from $292 million late last year,  the Orange County Business Journal reported,  citing a regulatory filing.  The Michelson tower, a mile from John Wayne Airport, was once among the priciest buildings in OC. Before the pandemic, it was valued at $345 million, or $645 per square foot.The most recent estimate represents a 26 percent decline from its peak value. The $256 million valuation comes as Manulife considers selling its sole OC property. If listed at that price, it would add to a series of discounted office sales during the era of remote work, higher interest rates and fewer financing options. The Michelson tower is in the Park Place complex, near the 404 Freeway and Jamboree Road. It&rsquo s 83 percent occupied, down from 91 percent at the end of last year.  Tenants include Hyundai Capital, the leasing arm of the Fountain Valley automaker, which takes up 100,000 square feet. LA Fitness has renewed a lease for its corporate headquarters. Manulife Financial, based in Toronto, bought the office building in 2012 for $277 million &mdash then the priciest single office building sale in OC. Four years later, Manulife packaged the Irvine property among U.S. buildings in an initial public offering listed on the Singapore Exchange. As part of the IPO, the real estate investment trust or REIT bought the Michelson building from Manulife for $317.8 million, though it pegged its value at $328.6 million. In July, Manulife US REIT said the total value of its properties dropped this year by close to 15 percent to $1.63 billion, the result of higher vacancy rates,  according to the Wall Street Journal.  It owns 11 high-end office buildings in Los Angeles, Sacramento, Atlanta, Jersey City and Washington, D.C. The value of a 35-story, 392,000-square-foot tower owned by Manulife at 865 Figueroa Street in Downtown Los Angeles has been valued at $174 million &mdash down from $315.2 million a year ago.  Manulife has hired a strategic advisor for a potential sale of several of its properties because of the sliding market, according to the Business Journal. &ldquo We have seen healthy interest from a broad range of counterparties including local and international real estate developers, REITs and private equity players&rdquo Tripp Gantt, CEO for Manulife, said in February. &mdash Dana Bartholomew
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cmengchan
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30-Aug-2023 16:39
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https://therealdeal.com/la/2023/08/29/manulife-us-reit-cuts-value-of-irvine-office-building/ | ||||
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SGDInvestor
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23-Aug-2023 08:44
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Fully agree that the sponsor should have and could have done more to support the REIT earlier, so we wouldn' t reach the current sad state. They are not doing themselves a favour. Many of my friends have said they will avoid buying any insurance or unit trusts from Manulife! Their reputation is definitely going downhill among many Singaporeans.  But given where we are for the REIT now, we are trying to decide whether to invest at current depressed prices. The key piece of the puzzle is whether and how the sponsor will act going forward. So I think should still gather all such info before making a best guesstimate of whether can make money or not.  But actually right now, the negotiations with lenders is most crucial first step. I don' t see why the lenders won' t restructure the loans and give the REIT a lifeline. Any views? |
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eddyeddy
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22-Aug-2023 17:00
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Need real actions not talks , talks are cheap or free . | ||||
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22-Aug-2023 16:51
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fully agreed..  they keep let the stock go futher down.. talk without action soon people will lose interest and confident on their " empty talk" . everyday new record for us..  |
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Chancy09
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22-Aug-2023 14:09
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I do not think words are sufficient. Manulife has to step in with action to help the REIT. Few ways to do it: 1. (Best Way) Step in to become the lead agency as part of an investment vehicle to lend to Manulife REIT giving lax loan convenants. This will save Manulife US REIT and prevent any breach 2. Buy back properties at current valuation. However, existing Manulife US REIT shareholders will be at a loss because they are forced to sell their property cheap.   |
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eddyeddy
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22-Aug-2023 14:07
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Expect them to say negative issues ?
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SGDInvestor
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22-Aug-2023 14:01
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I think the interview with the sponsor' s rep, Marc Feliciano, provides some confidence. Seems to be quite a heavyweight.  Browsing Manulife Investment Management&rsquo s website, he&rsquo s the first to appear in the leaders section.  But also need to understand the potential  vested interest as a representative of the sponsor. I while there is some optimism arising from his views, it is crucial to also remember that any support would have to serve both the purposes of MUST and the sponsor.  Provided further details of the interview and my comments here: Unravelling Manulife US REIT&rsquo s Future - Assessing Potential Sponsor Support https://youtu.be/fpQ7C-I8B60 |
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talonn
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21-Aug-2023 09:24
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Should I enter? Or is this game over? | ||||
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investshare
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20-Aug-2023 16:21
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No offense, but the article is poorly written, just parroting the general emotion. A click bait.
I hope someone can do a worst case study with numbers and facts.
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Chancy09
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20-Aug-2023 15:40
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https://investmoolah.blogspot.com/2023/08/manulife-us-reit-sell-down-dont-buy.html Share price falling but not worth the risk/gain |
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investshare
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20-Aug-2023 11:58
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The general consensus is that US will avoid a recession. So the value of the asset cannot go zero. Is this an arbitrate opportunity? What is your opinion?
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investshare
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19-Aug-2023 20:46
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This reminds me of the bubble burst of shipping trust some time back.
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kapooya
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19-Aug-2023 20:20
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Currently the forecasts are strongly tilted to the worst case scenario meaning: 1) Interest rates continue higher and higher forever  2) US offices become abandoned buildings and majority of people work from home or dont work  If one assumes occupancy keeps getting worse and worse it just means either the US economy is going to zero or everyone can work from home. Can people work from home forever? i dont think so. If i am a business i would at least need staff to come back most days of the week otherwise everyone just collect salary and do nothing most of the time at home. Once a competing business steals my cake, i will start calling staff back to buck up. When this will happen on a large scale no one knows but it seems that large firms are already doing this.  when interest rates rise, it used to be a sign of a good economy and the costs will be passed to consumers. The problem now is that it has risen too fast so things become mismatched. Can the FED continue.  The sponsor needs to step in and extend credit until the up cycle in leasing comes. Otherwise whats the use of being a sponsor??  |
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SGDInvestor
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19-Aug-2023 19:37
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Prices can be much lower than NAV because of worries about further deterioration in the leasing conditions in the US and the occupancy rates. This will mean further downside to the NAV (recall the NAV used to be closer to $0.70). From the dividend yield perspective, poorer occupancy leads to lower rental collection. In addition, their interest expenses will continue to rise - they fixed 80% of debt currently but as the hedges start to expire, the interest expenses will increase much higher. These 2 factors, if materialised, will lead to lower dividend yields than current levels. For me personally, I am still thinking through the potential impact of measures that the REIT have to take, since it is clear that status quo is not tenable. For example, equity fund raising will dilute distributions, and disposal of specific properties to reduce gearing will lower the rental collections. With so many uncertainties, I must say I am still trying to figure things out!
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