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chengwh1 Elite	19-Jun-2018 10:55        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Court protection will give time to the debtor to execute the plans, if no court protection, then for sure, the secured creditors will gobble up everything quickly fro their own benefits ONLY. I think what we are more concerned with is which way, liquidation or recovery will provide us a better chance to salvage the most out of our investments here,... at the quickest way possible. investshare      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 20:35) Posted: If that?s the case, then no need to apply court protection. Anyway you can see for yourself what being shown in court. Or you can check history how other company do it. chengwh1      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 16:57) Posted: If they can raise enough to ' payback' the creditor after performing the actions, there is no reason for the creditor not to accept the action plans. Secondly, what I will be focussing on to hear would be the timeline of when  a action plan will be executed. If there is ging to be a white knoght, who the target company is and when will the fund injection takes place. All these details MUST be provided,..
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gravity8888 Supreme	18-Jun-2018 21:49        gravity8888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Game over for hyflux and her queen lum
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tonylim2 Veteran	18-Jun-2018 20:44        tonylim2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	THE MOUNTAIN OF DEBTS IS THE KILLING FACTOR ! EVEN SAM GOI ALSO HEADLESS .
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investshare Supreme	18-Jun-2018 20:36        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The court will then appoint JM to ensure orderly liquidation. tonylim2      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 17:01) Posted: If the secured creditors are aggressive and Hyflux can' t meet their requests , wht can the court do ? Court service the debts on behave of Hyflux ?
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investshare Supreme	18-Jun-2018 20:35        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If that?s the case, then no need to apply court protection. Anyway you can see for yourself what being shown in court. Or you can check history how other company do it. chengwh1      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 16:57) Posted: If they can raise enough to ' payback' the creditor after performing the actions, there is no reason for the creditor not to accept the action plans. Secondly, what I will be focussing on to hear would be the timeline of when  a action plan will be executed. If there is ging to be a white knoght, who the target company is and when will the fund injection takes place. All these details MUST be provided,... investshare      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 09:49) Posted: The plan always incl some sort of debt to equity conversion, sale of asset, sale of new share(white knight). The challenge is whether the creditor would agee by end of protection
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tonylim2 Veteran	18-Jun-2018 20:25        tonylim2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We are really at their mercy ! ysh2006      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 20:24) Posted: DMX mislet us into believing to sell assets to pay for auditor investigation and sue old auditor in the end we get back nothing when company liquilated.So don't believe them take back the money first...Sgx or banks won't protect us type. tonylim2      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 17:01) Posted: If the secured creditors are aggressive and Hyflux can' t meet their requests , wht can the court do ? Court service the debts on behave of Hyflux ?
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Jun-2018 20:24        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	DMX mislet us into believing to sell assets to pay for auditor investigation and sue old auditor in the end we get back nothing when company liquilated.So don't believe them take back the money first...Sgx or banks won't protect us type. tonylim2      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 17:01) Posted: If the secured creditors are aggressive and Hyflux can' t meet their requests , wht can the court do ? Court service the debts on behave of Hyflux ?
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kangaroo11 Veteran	18-Jun-2018 18:47        kangaroo11 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Rule judgement in favour of the creditors, creditors foreclosed and sell the secured assets? tonylim2      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 17:01) Posted: If the secured creditors are aggressive and Hyflux can' t meet their requests , wht can the court do ? Court service the debts on behave of Hyflux ?
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tonylim2 Veteran	18-Jun-2018 17:01        tonylim2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If the secured creditors are aggressive and Hyflux can' t meet their requests , wht can the court do ? Court service the debts on behave of Hyflux ?
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chengwh1 Elite	18-Jun-2018 16:57        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If they can raise enough to ' payback' the creditor after performing the actions, there is no reason for the creditor not to accept the action plans. Secondly, what I will be focussing on to hear would be the timeline of when  a action plan will be executed. If there is ging to be a white knoght, who the target company is and when will the fund injection takes place. All these details MUST be provided,... investshare      ( Date: 18-Jun-2018 09:49) Posted: The plan always incl some sort of debt to equity conversion, sale of asset, sale of new share(white knight). The challenge is whether the creditor would agee by end of protection. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 18:06) Posted: No, bro,... it' s not only that the court will grant protection,... but what we will be focussing-on will be to hear the plans of Hyflux on how they intend to recover from this issue - this is the important thing. If the plans are logical and possible, then we will have confidence that this ' disaster' can be recovered. The court will want to hear all these too before they grant that creditor protection
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TanWaiKeong Member	18-Jun-2018 16:27        TanWaiKeong About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Join the retail investors group for updates on hyflux if u own perpetual securities , preference shares or hyflux stock https://t.me/hyflux_retail
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investshare Supreme	18-Jun-2018 09:49        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The plan always incl some sort of debt to equity conversion, sale of asset, sale of new share(white knight). The challenge is whether the creditor would agee by end of protection. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 18:06) Posted: No, bro,... it' s not only that the court will grant protection,... but what we will be focussing-on will be to hear the plans of Hyflux on how they intend to recover from this issue - this is the important thing. If the plans are logical and possible, then we will have confidence that this ' disaster' can be recovered. The court will want to hear all these too before they grant that creditor protection. investshare      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 12:47) Posted: Don?t think so. The court will almost certain grant the protection as requested. It is the start rather than the end of the process
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TeoMark Veteran	18-Jun-2018 08:26        TeoMark About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Is harakiri still a thing now? 😂 😂 😂 Xvader      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 20:07) Posted: Prepare to hear her snake oil pitch in ELO water and how it can achieve $1b turnover per year. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 18:06) Posted: No, bro,... it' s not only that the court will grant protection,... but what we will be focussing-on will be to hear the plans of Hyflux on how they intend to recover from this issue - this is the important thing. If the plans are logical and possible, then we will have confidence that this ' disaster' can be recovered. The court will want to hear all these too before they grant that creditor protection
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Stephenchow Veteran	18-Jun-2018 08:21        Stephenchow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Every day in the news. Saving Private Ryan in local context?  https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/saving-hyflux-stakeholders-patience-is-vital-now Who will have patience if you lose your pants?
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simpleguy123 Elite	17-Jun-2018 22:11        simpleguy123 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Agreed, why should taxpayers pay for others mistakes investshare      ( Date: 16-Jun-2018 21:46) Posted: Yes. But still does not need to spend tax payer money to bail out Hyflux shareholders. cheekitlim      ( Date: 16-Jun-2018 19:03) Posted: "Every other policy has to bend at the knees for our water survival," Singapore's first prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew, declared decades ago. Wake up!
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Goldfinger Supreme	17-Jun-2018 21:38        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yah - they get their cut from acquisition and divestment fees. But there are jewels and we should look for these. I would rather avoid the PRC linked ones. Reminds me of the double whammy of S-Chips plus S-listed REITs. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 18:10) Posted: " Retail investors are paying the price of Management arrogance and greed to over-expand " - this sentence reminds me of S-REITs which are more keen to increase their AUM then to accord unitholders yield-accretive acquisitions,.. Goldfinger      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 17:10) Posted: Retail investors are paying the price of Management arrogance and greed to over-expand. Why does SGX not say or do anything to protect? Hyflux was held up as a poster child of SGP growth expansion - where is this company now? Share price cannot even buy one packet tissue paper.
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Xvader Member	17-Jun-2018 20:07        Xvader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Prepare to hear her snake oil pitch in ELO water and how it can achieve $1b turnover per year. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 18:06) Posted: No, bro,... it' s not only that the court will grant protection,... but what we will be focussing-on will be to hear the plans of Hyflux on how they intend to recover from this issue - this is the important thing. If the plans are logical and possible, then we will have confidence that this ' disaster' can be recovered. The court will want to hear all these too before they grant that creditor protection. investshare      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 12:47) Posted: Don?t think so. The court will almost certain grant the protection as requested. It is the start rather than the end of the process
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chengwh1 Elite	17-Jun-2018 18:10        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	" Retail investors are paying the price of Management arrogance and greed to over-expand " - this sentence reminds me of S-REITs which are more keen to increase their AUM then to accord unitholders yield-accretive acquisitions,.. Goldfinger      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 17:10) Posted: Retail investors are paying the price of Management arrogance and greed to over-expand. Why does SGX not say or do anything to protect? Hyflux was held up as a poster child of SGP growth expansion - where is this company now? Share price cannot even buy one packet tissue paper.
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chengwh1 Elite	17-Jun-2018 18:06        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No, bro,... it' s not only that the court will grant protection,... but what we will be focussing-on will be to hear the plans of Hyflux on how they intend to recover from this issue - this is the important thing. If the plans are logical and possible, then we will have confidence that this ' disaster' can be recovered. The court will want to hear all these too before they grant that creditor protection. investshare      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 12:47) Posted: Don?t think so. The court will almost certain grant the protection as requested. It is the start rather than the end of the process. chengwh1      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 00:10) Posted: I think we will have more confirmed answers, replies and action plans  by Tuesday, say by 11.30 am, after the hearing schedule... Quite fast for Hyflux to move in this matter,,,, great company in this aspect,... rather than the other companies that stayed low and suspended wihout doing much, delaying shareholders
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tonylim2 Veteran	17-Jun-2018 17:34        tonylim2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Like the cantonese saying , as cold as the water ! Goldfinger      ( Date: 17-Jun-2018 17:10) Posted: Retail investors are paying the price of Management arrogance and greed to over-expand. Why does SGX not say or do anything to protect? Hyflux was held up as a poster child of SGP growth expansion - where is this company now? Share price cannot even buy one packet tissue paper.
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