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canalrat Member	05-Dec-2017 10:36        canalrat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Briefly touched 3.78.. hope it goes back there
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Shampain Veteran	05-Dec-2017 09:02        Shampain About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	strong opening-3.76
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Tommy12356 Master	04-Dec-2017 22:14        Tommy12356 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	18-Dec is still a long way.... BetterStill      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 22:12) Posted: You guys still positive that can climb up to $3.85 b4 XD? Me now a bit worried liao....
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BetterStill Veteran	04-Dec-2017 22:12        BetterStill About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You guys still positive that can climb up to $3.85 b4 XD? Me now a bit worried liao....
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Shampain Veteran	04-Dec-2017 20:57        Shampain About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Waa... Thanks general wave. Love the 5 tips
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SuperLuckyCorn Supreme	04-Dec-2017 20:49        SuperLuckyCorn About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	@General Wave, Well done, General Wave We are going in the boom boom path. Thank you General Wave for giving us detail analysis & useful info. Huat x 99999
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Tommy12356 Master	04-Dec-2017 19:40        Tommy12356 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 18:12) Posted: Thank you bro for your support and words of encouragement. But no one here is really in command of this battle. The real Commander-in-Chief is somewhere out there. I have his photo somewhere...let me find it. Just a moment.... . . . . . We are all in this together. If the monkey obliges us and does what he usually do during a Dividend Run-up, many brothers and sisters here will rejoice and shout in jubilation - " Ho $ay lah !!!" But if the monkey does a GOTCHA on us and shortchange us in that the price does not rise high enough to unlock some of our stuck positions, then I would urge each comrade here to have a plan in mind on how they wish to manage their  positions. The veterans here already know what to do. But the newbies may be in need of suggestions and this is where I can help. Your options are: 1. Sell those lots which you have profits. Your stuck lots - collect the 9.8 cts dividends and wait for the next Dividend Run in July to Aug 2018. But then again, you may not need to wait till Jul/Aug to see the price makes another attempt to revist 3.90 to 4.00.  It may come in Apr 2018 as SingTel reports full year results in May. The stock will firm up if good results are expected. Probably 10.7 cts dividend will be declared to go XD in late July/early August. 2. This option is the same as Option 1 except that after collecting dividends for the stuck lots, instead of holding on to the stocks, sell them first on or after XD if there is a sell-down. The purpose of selling is to stop the bleeding. The idea is to buy back the stock when the selling ends. That way, you get to keep the dividends and at the same time avoid the loss in the form of the difference between the price you sell and the price you buy back. If that difference is 10 cts, the loss you will avoid is 10 cts multiplied by the lots you have. 3. This option is the same as Option 1 and Option 2 except that in addition to the action taken in either Option 1 or 2, you also open SHORT positions in SingTel to profit from her fall. But you can do this only if you have a CFD account. And the underlying assumption is that there is a selldown becoz a fund or funds are selling in large quantities. The SHORTs are to be opened on or after XD so that you dont pay the 9.8 cts dividend to your broking house. 4. This last option is for cash-rich investors who dont mind holding stocks for as long as is needed. Just hold on to your stocks and collect the dividends. Then wait for the selling to end and the price to bottom out. When the U-turn comes, add more LONGs to average down your cost. And hopefully by Apr to May during the Results Play or July to August during the Dividend Play, you can get out of all your positions. 5. There is a 5th option for those who who can hold a stock for super long durations. Leaving aside special dividend which is one-off, SingTel pays 6.8 cts in Dec and 10.7 cts in Jul/Aug each year. That' s 17.5 cts per year. If you hold this stock for say, 10 years, you will receive a total of $1.75 in dividends. Let' s say your average cost is $4.00 per share. After collecting $1.75 in dividends per share, your nett cost per share is now $2.25 per share. SingTel will likely trade at above $3.00. Sell it when you are happy with the price and count your massive profits. Hope this helps some of you.   halleluyah      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 17:27) Posted: no problem....we respect general wave command.....join forces to fight fr tomolo..........
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wavehunter Supreme	04-Dec-2017 18:12        wavehunter About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Trade what you see, not what you hope to see."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thank you bro for your support and words of encouragement. But no one here is really in command of this battle. The real Commander-in-Chief is somewhere out there. I have his photo somewhere...let me find it. Just a moment.... . . . . . We are all in this together. If the monkey obliges us and does what he usually do during a Dividend Run-up, many brothers and sisters here will rejoice and shout in jubilation - " Ho $ay lah !!!" But if the monkey does a GOTCHA on us and shortchange us in that the price does not rise high enough to unlock some of our stuck positions, then I would urge each comrade here to have a plan in mind on how they wish to manage their  positions. The veterans here already know what to do. But the newbies may be in need of suggestions and this is where I can help. Your options are: 1. Sell those lots which you have profits. Your stuck lots - collect the 9.8 cts dividends and wait for the next Dividend Run in July to Aug 2018. But then again, you may not need to wait till Jul/Aug to see the price makes another attempt to revist 3.90 to 4.00.  It may come in Apr 2018 as SingTel reports full year results in May. The stock will firm up if good results are expected. Probably 10.7 cts dividend will be declared to go XD in late July/early August. 2. This option is the same as Option 1 except that after collecting dividends for the stuck lots, instead of holding on to the stocks, sell them first on or after XD if there is a sell-down. The purpose of selling is to stop the bleeding. The idea is to buy back the stock when the selling ends. That way, you get to keep the dividends and at the same time avoid the loss in the form of the difference between the price you sell and the price you buy back. If that difference is 10 cts, the loss you will avoid is 10 cts multiplied by the lots you have. 3. This option is the same as Option 1 and Option 2 except that in addition to the action taken in either Option 1 or 2, you also open SHORT positions in SingTel to profit from her fall. But you can do this only if you have a CFD account. And the underlying assumption is that there is a selldown becoz a fund or funds are selling in large quantities. The SHORTs are to be opened on or after XD so that you dont pay the 9.8 cts dividend to your broking house. 4. This last option is for cash-rich investors who dont mind holding stocks for as long as is needed. Just hold on to your stocks and collect the dividends. Then wait for the selling to end and the price to bottom out. When the U-turn comes, add more LONGs to average down your cost. And hopefully by Apr to May during the Results Play or July to August during the Dividend Play, you can get out of all your positions. 5. There is a 5th option for those who who can hold a stock for super long durations. Leaving aside special dividend which is one-off, SingTel pays 6.8 cts in Dec and 10.7 cts in Jul/Aug each year. That' s 17.5 cts per year. If you hold this stock for say, 10 years, you will receive a total of $1.75 in dividends. Let' s say your average cost is $4.00 per share. After collecting $1.75 in dividends per share, your nett cost per share is now $2.25 per share. SingTel will likely trade at above $3.00. Sell it when you are happy with the price and count your massive profits. Hope this helps some of you.   halleluyah      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 17:27) Posted: no problem....we respect general wave command.....join forces to fight fr tomolo........... wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 17:20) Posted: I expressed my views based on a mixture of FA, TA, newsflow and price action. These factors change over time and with that, my views also change. But I noticed that some people dont take kindly to a view which goes against their vested interest. They only want to hear the good stuffs. And the good stuffs are whatever helps their positions. If I express a bearish view, it is becoz the prevailing factors support such a view. But when I do that, I am labelled as " anti" . I guess what I can do in future is if I am asked for my views by such people and I happen to think the stock is bearish, I will reply " You wont like what I think of the stock" and leave it at that. If I am bullish, I will say " the stock should be okay. More upside" . And leave it as that too. Relax, guys. I am not referring to any of you in this thread. Thankfully, you folks are okay
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Tommy12356 Master	04-Dec-2017 17:33        Tommy12356 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is not a 3 cent, not a 30 cenr stock. It is $3.75 stock the buy and sell are in the range of 2000 lots per queue only BB can push up and down. We just buy and wait ... leongyan      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:17) Posted: will cose 3.75 range... wait for General wave to scoop up 3.76 and push it to 3.77 spore1      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 12:10) Posted: Will it close at 3.74 EOD
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halleluyah Supreme	04-Dec-2017 17:27        halleluyah About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	no problem....we respect general wave command.....join forces to fight fr tomolo........... wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 17:20) Posted: I expressed my views based on a mixture of FA, TA, newsflow and price action. These factors change over time and with that, my views also change. But I noticed that some people dont take kindly to a view which goes against their vested interest. They only want to hear the good stuffs. And the good stuffs are whatever helps their positions. If I express a bearish view, it is becoz the prevailing factors support such a view. But when I do that, I am labelled as " anti" . I guess what I can do in future is if I am asked for my views by such people and I happen to think the stock is bearish, I will reply " You wont like what I think of the stock" and leave it at that. If I am bullish, I will say " the stock should be okay. More upside" . And leave it as that too. Relax, guys. I am not referring to any of you in this thread. Thankfully, you folks are okay. Shampain      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:51) Posted: Never fail to be impress with general wave. Like your analysis. Thanks for the explanatio
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wavehunter Supreme	04-Dec-2017 17:20        wavehunter About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Trade what you see, not what you hope to see."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I expressed my views based on a mixture of FA, TA, newsflow and price action. These factors change over time and with that, my views also change. But I noticed that some people dont take kindly to a view which goes against their vested interest. They only want to hear the good stuffs. And the good stuffs are whatever helps their positions. If I express a bearish view, it is becoz the prevailing factors support such a view. But when I do that, I am labelled as " anti" . I guess what I can do in future is if I am asked for my views by such people and I happen to think the stock is bearish, I will reply " You wont like what I think of the stock" and leave it at that. If I am bullish, I will say " the stock should be okay. More upside" . And leave it as that too. Relax, guys. I am not referring to any of you in this thread. Thankfully, you folks are okay. Shampain      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:51) Posted: Never fail to be impress with general wave. Like your analysis. Thanks for the explanation wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:30) Posted: Last year in Dec, the pre-XD high was reached 7 days before XD. What the market took away from you, the market gave back later, for those who remained vested after XD last year in Dec. See what happened to the stock in Jan 2017. It CHEONG  to even higher than the pre-XD high. On that occasion, old faithfuls got to keep the dividends plus a chance to sell higher. So what will happen this time round in Dec 2017? Nobody knows. Except the monkey. So if a fund who owns alot of SingTel has decided to divest after XD, the stock will fall. Conversely if a fund who has alot of SingTel which he wants to sell at higher prices or he has alot of SingTel bought at say 3.85 to 4.00 and he wants to divest at a profit, one of the things he can do is to push the price to say, 4.00 or 4.10 or higher and then block the price to facilitate distribution. This tactic is called " Ramp up to sell down" or " Push higher to distribute" .  And whether this will happen is not dependent on FA or TA or external  news. It will happen if a fund has decided to do it. No amount of chart reading or price action analysis will enable us to predict such a move. If it happens, trading experience will immediately tell us to do the needful to hitch a ride on the monkey. Be it a ride UP or DOWN. That' s why I always say that in this game, whoeever is willing to put the most amount of money to work gets to say whether the price goes up or down. Nothing unfair about it. Its life. Get used to it. And welcome to the stock market
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Shampain Veteran	04-Dec-2017 16:51        Shampain About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Never fail to be impress with general wave. Like your analysis. Thanks for the explanation wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:30) Posted: Last year in Dec, the pre-XD high was reached 7 days before XD. What the market took away from you, the market gave back later, for those who remained vested after XD last year in Dec. See what happened to the stock in Jan 2017. It CHEONG  to even higher than the pre-XD high. On that occasion, old faithfuls got to keep the dividends plus a chance to sell higher. So what will happen this time round in Dec 2017? Nobody knows. Except the monkey. So if a fund who owns alot of SingTel has decided to divest after XD, the stock will fall. Conversely if a fund who has alot of SingTel which he wants to sell at higher prices or he has alot of SingTel bought at say 3.85 to 4.00 and he wants to divest at a profit, one of the things he can do is to push the price to say, 4.00 or 4.10 or higher and then block the price to facilitate distribution. This tactic is called " Ramp up to sell down" or " Push higher to distribute" .  And whether this will happen is not dependent on FA or TA or external  news. It will happen if a fund has decided to do it. No amount of chart reading or price action analysis will enable us to predict such a move. If it happens, trading experience will immediately tell us to do the needful to hitch a ride on the monkey. Be it a ride UP or DOWN. That' s why I always say that in this game, whoeever is willing to put the most amount of money to work gets to say whether the price goes up or down. Nothing unfair about it. Its life. Get used to it. And welcome to the stock market. Shampain      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 15:39) Posted: Erm... shouldn' t we be comparing Dec 2016 to current? cause compare same time frame?
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wavehunter Supreme	04-Dec-2017 16:30        wavehunter About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Trade what you see, not what you hope to see."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Last year in Dec, the pre-XD high was reached 7 days before XD. What the market took away from you, the market gave back later, for those who remained vested after XD last year in Dec. See what happened to the stock in Jan 2017. It CHEONG  to even higher than the pre-XD high. On that occasion, old faithfuls got to keep the dividends plus a chance to sell higher. So what will happen this time round in Dec 2017? Nobody knows. Except the monkey. So if a fund who owns alot of SingTel has decided to divest after XD, the stock will fall. Conversely if a fund who has alot of SingTel which he wants to sell at higher prices or he has alot of SingTel bought at say 3.85 to 4.00 and he wants to divest at a profit, one of the things he can do is to push the price to say, 4.00 or 4.10 or higher and then block the price to facilitate distribution. This tactic is called " Ramp up to sell down" or " Push higher to distribute" .  And whether this will happen is not dependent on FA or TA or external  news. It will happen if a fund has decided to do it. No amount of chart reading or price action analysis will enable us to predict such a move. If it happens, trading experience will immediately tell us to do the needful to hitch a ride on the monkey. Be it a ride UP or DOWN. That' s why I always say that in this game, whoeever is willing to put the most amount of money to work gets to say whether the price goes up or down. Nothing unfair about it. Its life. Get used to it. And welcome to the stock market. Shampain      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 15:39) Posted: Erm... shouldn' t we be comparing Dec 2016 to current? cause compare same time frame?
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leongyan Master	04-Dec-2017 16:17        leongyan About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	will cose 3.75 range... wait for General wave to scoop up 3.76 and push it to 3.77 spore1      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 12:10) Posted: Will it close at 3.74 EOD
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spore1 Supreme	04-Dec-2017 16:14        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No strength ! Is back to 3.74...
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canalrat Member	04-Dec-2017 16:09        canalrat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Noted. Thank you for the explanation sir. wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 16:07) Posted: Yes, that is possible. That the pre-XD high may be reached on the 3rd or 2nd last day of CD and not the last. But sometimes the pre-XD high occurs on the last day of CD. There is no fixed pattern. It all depends on the demographics of those who are vested. If happens that many have decided to sell prior to XD, then there' ll be downward pressure on the price. canalrat      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 15:24) Posted: Not sure if I misinterpreted.. if based on this pattern, 15dec it may dip vs 14 dec for this year if exdate is 18 if ppl do not wish to hold for the dividend
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wavehunter Supreme	04-Dec-2017 16:07        wavehunter About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Trade what you see, not what you hope to see."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, that is possible. That the pre-XD high may be reached on the 3rd or 2nd last day of CD and not the last. But sometimes the pre-XD high occurs on the last day of CD. There is no fixed pattern. It all depends on the demographics of those who are vested. If happens that many have decided to sell prior to XD, then there' ll be downward pressure on the price. canalrat      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 15:24) Posted: Not sure if I misinterpreted.. if based on this pattern, 15dec it may dip vs 14 dec for this year if exdate is 18 if ppl do not wish to hold for the dividend? wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 14:09) Posted: My fellow Generals, Lieutenant-General and Sergeant-General,  To know how this stock usually behaves during her run-up towards XD, we look at her last Dividend Run back in Aug 2017. Her XD was on 1st Aug 2017. Here' s her chart showing what she did back then.
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Shampain Veteran	04-Dec-2017 15:39        Shampain About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Erm... shouldn' t we be comparing Dec 2016 to current? cause compare same time frame?
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canalrat Member	04-Dec-2017 15:24        canalrat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not sure if I misinterpreted.. if based on this pattern, 15dec it may dip vs 14 dec for this year if exdate is 18 if ppl do not wish to hold for the dividend? wavehunter      ( Date: 04-Dec-2017 14:09) Posted: My fellow Generals, Lieutenant-General and Sergeant-General,  To know how this stock usually behaves during her run-up towards XD, we look at her last Dividend Run back in Aug 2017. Her XD was on 1st Aug 2017. Here' s her chart showing what she did back then.
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wavehunter Supreme	04-Dec-2017 14:09        wavehunter About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "Trade what you see, not what you hope to see."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	My fellow Generals, Lieutenant-General and Sergeant-General,  To know how this stock usually behaves during her run-up towards XD, we look at her last Dividend Run back in Aug 2017. Her XD was on 1st Aug 2017. Here' s her chart showing what she did back then.
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