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Singtel Bullish???
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 21:38
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At 3.63, you will get your 2.5% return when she is at 3.76. This is assuming that 4 cts can cover your 2-way commission. And if you hold till mid-Dec 2018, you will receive dividend of 10.7 cts in Jul/Aug 2018 and 6.8 cts in Dec 2018. The total dividends of 17.5 cts alone is already a 4.82% return on your capital. But between now and Dec 2018, you will probably see the stock price revisit 3.90 again. This means a profit of 27 cts or a 7.438% return on your capital. And if you hold the stock for 21 years, assuming you receive 17.5 cts dividend every year, you would have pocketed a total sum of $3.675 per share. Meaning your stocks are fully paid by the dividend. Meaning they are FREE. And at whatever price you sell your stocks thereafter, the proceeds are 100% profit.
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voidmain
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18-Dec-2017 21:23
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Am so bullish with Singtel. I will keep Singtel stock. My realistic expectation is to get a return higher than oa rate (2.5%). | ||||
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 21:21
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The reality is that the mere fact that a stock is undervalued (assuming it really is) does not mean its price will rise. Conversely, the mere fact that a stock is overvalued (assuming it really is) does not mean its price will fall. A stock which is undervalued can still fall if a fund decides to dump the stock or a kartek monkey decides to target that stock for hammering. An overvalued stock can still rise if a fund buys that stock aggressively or if a monkey decides to target that stock for a " Push Up To Distribute" play. It is also a stark reality in the stock market that however undervalued or overvalued a stock is, and however competent or incapable the management team is, the price of a stock will not move up or down and the stock will be very very very illiquid if no monkey is interested in playing that stock.
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 20:42
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Bro Shampain already answered you correctly. So long as you buy or already own a stock when it is trading at Cum Dividend (CD) and you continue to hold the stock till it trades Ex Dividend (XD), you are entitled to the dividend even if you sell the stock on the day it trades Ex Dividend. To illustrate, SingTel was trading at CD until last Fri, 15 Dec 2017. She trades at XD today, 18 Dec 2017. So long as you bought or already own the stock on or before last Fri, 15 Dec 2017 and you held on to the stock until today, 18 Dec 2017, you are entitled to the dividend even if you sold the stock today. But if you bought the stock only today when it was trading at XD, you are not entitled to the dividend. The one who sold you the stock, is. However, if you continue to hold what you bought today until the XD date of the next dividend exercise which is in late July/early August 2018, you will be entitled to the dividend. The expected dividend in the next dividend exercise is 10.7 cts.
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harunana
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18-Dec-2017 20:41
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unfortunately
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Shampain
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18-Dec-2017 20:25
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HI, those bought on CD till XD gets the dividends. If bought on or after XD itself, not entittled to it. Someone correct me if i am wrong
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voidmain
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18-Dec-2017 20:10
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Dear Master and Gurus, I bought singtel today at 3.63 (4600 shares) use my cpf oa money through ocbc trading platform. I have a question whether am eligible for divident. I understand today is divident date. Kindly advise. Thanks & Regards New Singapore citizen | ||||
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canalrat
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18-Dec-2017 17:11
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>3mil shares bought up at 3.64 at mkt close.. | ||||
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 16:54
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These are from small arms fire which is not worrisome. The big guns are the ones we have to look out for. 
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MonkeyKingGod
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18-Dec-2017 16:04
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3.62 sighted 16:04:11 Sell 3.620 100
16:04:11 Sell 3.620 100
16:04:10 Sell 3.620 3,000
16:04:03 Sell 3.620 100
16:04:03 Sell 3.620 1,200
16:03:48 Buy 3.630 100
16:03:44 Buy 3.630 100
16:03:39 Sell 3.620 100
16:03:39 Sell 3.620 100
16:03:39 Sell 3.620 3,200
16:03:32 Buy 3.630 100
16:03:27 Sell 3.620 100
16:03:27 Sell 3.620 1,200
16:03:26 Sell 3.620 100
16:03:25 Sell 3.620 100
16:03:25 Sell 3.620 2,100
16:03:24 Sell 3.620 1,000
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FATABA
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18-Dec-2017 15:03
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Offically the pay out date if I am not wrong is 10th Jan 2018.
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Clipper
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18-Dec-2017 14:50
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In this case, the Div from CFD trade is almost a month earlier than the cash trade, and available now. This is an advantage barring the daily funding charge. Useful when Div $ payout is relatively high, and XD and Div payout date is far apart.
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musaddiq
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18-Dec-2017 14:35
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Strong buying and support at 3.64. Severely undervalued for the moment |
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 14:10
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If the big guys dont show up, the price will remain at 3.61 to 3.66 for a couple of days. So if you want to buy at 3.64, you will get plenty of opportunities to do so. In which case might as well queue at 3.63 everyday first thing in the morn. Cash account traders can queue overnite. Find out what is the earliest time your House accepts your bids after market close and be there to key in your BUY order so as to be in front of the queue. When the Exchange opens tomorrow at 8.30am, your House will send your bids over to the order books of the Exchange.
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 14:05
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I already got mine. For CFD, your House will credit the dividends to your account first thing in the morning on XD. For cash account traders, payment to your CDP account will be made on 10 Jan 2018.
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yuzuisland
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18-Dec-2017 13:57
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Tempted to buy at 3.64! But not sure if the big guys might suddenly join in and decide to walk in the opposite direction :x
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gandalfernie
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18-Dec-2017 13:49
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Any idea when will dividend be deposited? | ||||
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 13:12
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Imagine you are on a narrow backlane alley filled with people shoulder to shoulder. All the people there are walking in the same direction. Is it easier for you to walk in the same direction as the crowd or in the opposite direction against the crowd? When to buy? When the big guy is buying. When to sell? When the big guy is selling. If only retail folks are doing the buying or selling, the price will move up or down a couple of notches only. Not worth participating in. When the price fell from 3.78 to 3.65 becoz one moron fund was selling, you were there. You saw the price action. When a bull fund buys aggressively, you will see the same price action but in reverse format. And the price will rise. Just have to be patient to wait for it to come. We are into the last 2 weeks of 2017. Fund managers are human too and have families as well. Most are probably on vacation or have wound down their activities. Their engines are probably switched off or at idling mode. So we may not see any strong move during these last 2 weeks. What more, next week is a shorter trading week with one lesser day of trading. However, if there is any fund out there who want SingTel to look good for their year end window dressing, then we may get to see some firming up.
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Shampain
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18-Dec-2017 12:58
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Haha... U always make them sound like they stay in a zoo. Drop then buy. Rise then sell. The question will be when to buy and when to sell | ||||
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wavehunter
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18-Dec-2017 11:33
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General Lucky, Thank you so much for watching my back. To me, neither conditions to SHORT nor to LONG are there. If a fund is selling in big lots repeatedly, that' s a set up to open a SHORT position. The reverse is true if a fund is buying bigtime. Neither set-ups are there. For now. Earlier at 10.03am, there was one solitary sell-down trade at 3.64 consisting of 2182.3 lots. This could be a one-off trade. Or the 1st of a series of more sell-down trades to come. We dunno. There is still alot of dust and smoke at the battlefield. We need to wait for the big guns to make their moves. Until then, the battle is fought between retail bulls and bears with stones and sticks. Neither side is able to inflict substantial damage on the other. What happens from here will depend on whether a Bull Monkey shows up. Or a Bear Monkey. Or a Kartek Monkey. If a Bull Monkey shows up, that' s a story with a happy ending. No need for me to elaborate. If a Bear Monkey shows up next, then there will be price weakness. Remember recently we had a moron fund manager who sold her in big lots and we saw the price fell from 3.78 to 3.65? We will see the same price action if a Bear Monkey shows up. But if a Kartek Monkey shows up, then the battlefield will be very ugly. The difference between a Bear Monkey and a Kartek Monkey is very obvious. A Bear Monkey will show some restraint in the way he sells. He wants better prices for his stocks. A Kartek Monkey, on the other hand, will collect SHORTs at higher prices first. After that he will DESTROY the price. The lower prices are, the higher his profits when he covers. He will be merciless and relentless and senseless in the way he sells to depress the price to as low as he can achieve. And that' s the big big difference between a Bear Monkey and a Kartek Monkey. We wait for the monkey to show up. It may not be today. And the price may remain locked within say, 3.61 to 3.66 for a few days. We cannot make the market. So we dont move first. We wait for the market movers to show hands. Then we follow. If we can. If the market movers BUY, most of you can follow. But if a Bear Monkey or Kartek Monkey shows up, most of you cannot follow becoz you dont have a submarine to fight that kind of torpedo warfare.   
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