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nqing87 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 13:33        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	meaning u think the contracts are fake? there' s no way we can verify if those are fake or not.. why would they increase their vessel fleet if they dont have any orders.. price wise no one can tell.. junk s-chips counter like cefc can chiong to 40cents already.. who knows what BB will do.. their recent orders are ' cos they lower their profit margin to get those orders.. and further, they have business relations with those middle east NOC.. so contracts wont be fake, but have to take note of the lower profit margin for those new orders.. earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:09) Posted: I have zero trust on the orders announced by Swiber and Vallianz. The OSVs are laid off everywhere.  You believe them? just buy loh.  I have no action on vallianz, just share my own thinking, someone has to stand up to cool the unreasonable speculation created by those short term players. Buy? Vallianz is not the one, speculations of OSVs are end, the game is over, now is pump and dump. then dump dump dump till nobody want. RedEye1811      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:03) Posted: " Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last?" How you mean they cannot pay interest??...2c end of 2015? that realistic...well those contracts mean nothing so guess you right...other firms order books falling but they can pay and survive but this counter has growing order book but cannot pay...ummm...confused...but you elite so your wisdom truth...
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 13:30        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is what i believe, the order is speculating. after having this new, the 2nd question has to be asked, what is the margin of the contract? Market booming, more contract signing mean higher margin for the contract. Market in serious downturning? highly likely a negative margin contract or speculating, no matter which one is just a carrot with poison. Cool down effect is made. Up to you to decide. RedEye1811      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:18) Posted: Thanks for your clarification...well if that case let us ignore any contracts announced by anyone as obviously your view is announcements worthless and management cannot be trusted...let us forget continuous disclosure then and go back to cash-accounting...then obviously be clear....darn management of all firms tricking us....future contracts just myth...so why announce them if wise people could work it out and begin litigation for misrepresentation?? earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:09) Posted: I have zero trust on the orders announced by Swiber and Vallianz. The OSVs are laid off everywhere.  You believe them? just buy loh.  I have no action on vallianz, just share my own thinking, someone has to stand up to cool the unreasonable speculation created by those short term players. Buy? Vallianz is not the one, speculations of OSVs are end, the game is over, now is pump and dump. then dump dump dump till nobody want.
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RedEye1811 Master	30-Jul-2015 13:18        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks for your clarification...well if that case let us ignore any contracts announced by anyone as obviously your view is announcements worthless and management cannot be trusted...let us forget continuous disclosure then and go back to cash-accounting...then obviously be clear....darn management of all firms tricking us....future contracts just myth...so why announce them if wise people could work it out and begin litigation for misrepresentation?? earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:09) Posted: I have zero trust on the orders announced by Swiber and Vallianz. The OSVs are laid off everywhere.  You believe them? just buy loh.  I have no action on vallianz, just share my own thinking, someone has to stand up to cool the unreasonable speculation created by those short term players. Buy? Vallianz is not the one, speculations of OSVs are end, the game is over, now is pump and dump. then dump dump dump till nobody want. RedEye1811      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:03) Posted: " Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last?" How you mean they cannot pay interest??...2c end of 2015? that realistic...well those contracts mean nothing so guess you right...other firms order books falling but they can pay and survive but this counter has growing order book but cannot pay...ummm...confused...but you elite so your wisdom truth...
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 13:18        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	My cursing on stock to go down is always accurate. You wait and see bah. End of 2015, don' t ask why price drop to 2cents with 1 billion orders. Just a pure speculation by irresponsible management, they care more on their salary and their job rather than minor shareholders' pocket. So long as the company can sustain for 1 month to pay them 1 more month salary, they will be happy to speculate all these speculating order. gwkgwk      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:07) Posted: USD$1 billion book order can drop to 2 cents by end 2015? You seriously need to do some homework before making illogical comments. earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:55) Posted: Take the chance to unload your share at this penny run. This most probably the last chance for you to run out from this counter before going to below 2 cents. Don' t say earlybird never advise hor.
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brightpoint Senior	30-Jul-2015 13:11        brightpoint About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sold all at 67, bought last months from 64 drop ill 46, finally today move, this profit not enough cover china stock loss...sian, hope later will not  drop like magnus up till 43 down to 31
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 13:09        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have zero trust on the orders announced by Swiber and Vallianz. The OSVs are laid off everywhere.  You believe them? just buy loh.  I have no action on vallianz, just share my own thinking, someone has to stand up to cool the unreasonable speculation created by those short term players. Buy? Vallianz is not the one, speculations of OSVs are end, the game is over, now is pump and dump. then dump dump dump till nobody want. RedEye1811      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 13:03) Posted: " Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last?" How you mean they cannot pay interest??...2c end of 2015? that realistic...well those contracts mean nothing so guess you right...other firms order books falling but they can pay and survive but this counter has growing order book but cannot pay...ummm...confused...but you elite so your wisdom truth...   earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:52) Posted: Pump and dump lah. Oil is still below 50 dollars, are you dreaming? 10cents? Wait till   oil above 80 dollars.  Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last? I set a target for vallianz by end of 2015, 2 cents.
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gwkgwk Member	30-Jul-2015 13:07        gwkgwk About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	USD$1 billion book order can drop to 2 cents by end 2015? You seriously need to do some homework before making illogical comments. earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:55) Posted: Take the chance to unload your share at this penny run. This most probably the last chance for you to run out from this counter before going to below 2 cents. Don' t say earlybird never advise hor. earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:52) Posted: Pump and dump lah. Oil is still below 50 dollars, are you dreaming? 10cents? Wait till   oil above 80 dollars.  Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last? I set a target for vallianz by end of 2015, 2 cents.
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RedEye1811 Master	30-Jul-2015 13:03        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	" Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last?" How you mean they cannot pay interest??...2c end of 2015? that realistic...well those contracts mean nothing so guess you right...other firms order books falling but they can pay and survive but this counter has growing order book but cannot pay...ummm...confused...but you elite so your wisdom truth...   earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:52) Posted: Pump and dump lah. Oil is still below 50 dollars, are you dreaming? 10cents? Wait till   oil above 80 dollars.  Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last? I set a target for vallianz by end of 2015, 2 cents.   sunwukong      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:49) Posted: 10cts coming!!! fairy tale continues.................. buy now!
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 12:55        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Take the chance to unload your share at this penny run. This most probably the last chance for you to run out from this counter before going to below 2 cents. Don' t say earlybird never advise hor. earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:52) Posted: Pump and dump lah. Oil is still below 50 dollars, are you dreaming? 10cents? Wait till   oil above 80 dollars.  Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last? I set a target for vallianz by end of 2015, 2 cents.   sunwukong      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:49) Posted: 10cts coming!!! fairy tale continues.................. buy now!
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RedEye1811 Master	30-Jul-2015 12:54        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	50/50 on whether to agree with you or not...run or hold (if vested)...buy I do not think....hey, if this was a Chinese firm then would say buy, buy and buy...given the rise of those S-chip pennies last week or so (like Qingmei) then this would go through roof...perhaps people chasing Stratech decided to change ship to this counter for a while...see where it goes...buy/sell/hold...big question... earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:48) Posted: time to run road? hahaha.  ronleech      ( Date: 21-Jul-2015 08:25) Posted: and proven the had contracts pouring in. Time to run
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 12:52        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pump and dump lah. Oil is still below 50 dollars, are you dreaming? 10cents? Wait till   oil above 80 dollars.  Other counters are profit cannot pay the debt, Vallianz is profit cannot pay the interest. How long can it last? I set a target for vallianz by end of 2015, 2 cents.   sunwukong      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:49) Posted: 10cts coming!!! fairy tale continues.................. buy now! earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:48) Posted: time to run road? hahaha.
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sunwukong Master	30-Jul-2015 12:49        sunwukong About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "I don't buy stocks but only if its $0.001. :)"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	10cts coming!!! fairy tale continues.................. buy now! earlybird14      ( Date: 30-Jul-2015 12:48) Posted: time to run road? hahaha.  ronleech      ( Date: 21-Jul-2015 08:25) Posted: and proven the had contracts pouring in. Time to run
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earlybird14 Supreme	30-Jul-2015 12:48        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	time to run road? hahaha.  ronleech      ( Date: 21-Jul-2015 08:25) Posted: and proven the had contracts pouring in. Time to run
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RedEye1811 Master	30-Jul-2015 12:47        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Where did that come from?? Someone bought nearly 20,000,000 shares between 12:37 and 12:39pm....two buys of more than 5,000,000 and couple more 2.5 mill plus...cut through 4 or 5 pips in seconds...some BB hit wrong button...think he was looking to buy at 6c and put in order for 6.5c.....well will settle back to zip later...SGX soon query why jump...
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ronleech Elite	21-Jul-2015 08:25        ronleech About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Believe in yourself. Ride with the waves......"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	and proven the had contracts pouring in. Time to run
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nqing87 Supreme	20-Jul-2015 17:33        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	not really empty shell.. they do have few vessels prior to 2013 i think.. then  at end 2013, they venture to mainly vessel chartering &   got big contracts which is tied up with rawabi.. from then on, they expand very rapidly their vessels fleet & start to borrow big money.. they probably confident to get more contracts especially in middle east,  since they have ties with rawabi.. no banks will lend money to a company if it is an empty shell.. edwinjup      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 16:01) Posted: This joker start with empty shell...then loan many $$$ to buy osv...lucky mgt to get decent contracts...or else already join Ezra in holland...(lucky close link to Saudi and not Angmo )..lol.. nqing87      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted: in terms of order book, i would say it is very good and it has higher order book than many bigger counters like nam cheong etc.. but debt is not very encouraging.. high debt means that they will be desperate to make sure they utilise their vessels as much as possible to earn as much money as  they can  to service debt, which may possibly compromise good profit margin.. so while we see 2 big orders in recent days, dunno how much vallianz can get out of it.. they are basically working for the bank lol.. but at least vallianz does have orders & earnings visibility which many oil counters are having difficulties now, otherwise will be  jialat lol..
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ronleech Elite	20-Jul-2015 16:34        ronleech About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Believe in yourself. Ride with the waves......"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	looking good for a run....
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edwinjup Supreme	20-Jul-2015 16:01        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This joker start with empty shell...then loan many $$$ to buy osv...lucky mgt to get decent contracts...or else already join Ezra in holland...(lucky close link to Saudi and not Angmo )..lol.. nqing87      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 15:12) Posted: in terms of order book, i would say it is very good and it has higher order book than many bigger counters like nam cheong etc.. but debt is not very encouraging.. high debt means that they will be desperate to make sure they utilise their vessels as much as possible to earn as much money as  they can  to service debt, which may possibly compromise good profit margin.. so while we see 2 big orders in recent days, dunno how much vallianz can get out of it.. they are basically working for the bank lol.. but at least vallianz does have orders & earnings visibility which many oil counters are having difficulties now, otherwise will be  jialat lol.. edwinjup      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 14:59) Posted: Thanks bro....quite a good counter ...every dollar got $7 dollars of contracts.....cheers..
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nqing87 Supreme	20-Jul-2015 15:12        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	in terms of order book, i would say it is very good and it has higher order book than many bigger counters like nam cheong etc.. but debt is not very encouraging.. high debt means that they will be desperate to make sure they utilise their vessels as much as possible to earn as much money as  they can  to service debt, which may possibly compromise good profit margin.. so while we see 2 big orders in recent days, dunno how much vallianz can get out of it.. they are basically working for the bank lol.. but at least vallianz does have orders & earnings visibility which many oil counters are having difficulties now, otherwise will be  jialat lol.. edwinjup      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 14:59) Posted: Thanks bro....quite a good counter ...every dollar got $7 dollars of contracts.....cheers... nqing87      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 14:39) Posted: vallianz 3.345billion shares.. order book USD 968mil.. so every share about USD 29cents order, or around SGD 39 cents.. but doesnt matter big order book or what.. if public perceive oil as disease, every oil counter will continue to be in the slump.. i feel that stock market is not about being right & logical  in the thinking, but about able to know what the market is thinking which may often  be wrong & irrational..
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edwinjup Supreme	20-Jul-2015 14:59        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks bro....quite a good counter ...every dollar got $7 dollars of contracts.....cheers... nqing87      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 14:39) Posted: vallianz 3.345billion shares.. order book USD 968mil.. so every share about USD 29cents order, or around SGD 39 cents.. but doesnt matter big order book or what.. if public perceive oil as disease, every oil counter will continue to be in the slump.. i feel that stock market is not about being right & logical  in the thinking, but about able to know what the market is thinking which may often  be wrong & irrational.. edwinjup      ( Date: 20-Jul-2015 14:17) Posted: Do u know actually vallianz is cheaper than charisma energy....in term of market cap......am I correct to say every 1share of vallianz got 25c of work order??
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