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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 21:44        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There is no 100% gurantee that the share price will rise prior to XD.. If is 100%, everyone of us will be millionaire already. We will all sell our houses, go bank borrow $$$ and hoot Asian TV is it is gurranteed that the share price will rise due to CD. Look at last quarter dividend, share price NEVER rise prior to XD.. infact it went down lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:26) Posted: Dun say I never help. Based on the last dividend share price pattern. All information can be obtained from SGX and google. Summarised for you. 6th Aug 12am = Annouce results. Dividend 1.6x cents 6th Aug trading close 41 cents. Share price slowly drifted down until 19 Sept (XD). After 19 Sept, share price dropped due to adjustment of 1.6x dividend given out. U can make ur own decision. Charts dun lie :) Cheers Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:23) Posted: Okok hopefully it will go up very soon... if sell before 12th dec will i still get the dividends?
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 21:42        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	ya lo.. he keeps saying share price will go up ... no one will know for sure.. I even attached the last results share price chart to convince him not to place too high hope .. but he seems to think share price will 100% go up.. hai... Grouchycabi      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 13:29) Posted: You keep hoping and hoping and keep asking for reassurance here. No one can give it to you. You must get hold of your own emotions. You continue like this and very soon people here may lose patience. I have one word of advice. Go to the thread THE TRADING FLOOR. Learn from the folks there especially Wavehunter how to make chicken runs. You will soon make back your lost money and earn even more if you are willing to learn. Try it. Don?t continue to languish. It is not healthy and is bad for your sanity. Do something positive. Take action. Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 13:12) Posted: Anyone can answer my last query please?
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 21:39        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If u look at last dividend when results was annouced on 6th Aug, the share price NEVER went up , all the way until XD.. Not trying to pour cold water or what, u seem to think that share price will 100% go up?? that is a very risky thought Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:37) Posted: So after 12th dec think the share price will go down even further?
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Brianfoo Senior	17-Nov-2018 21:37        Brianfoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So after 12th dec think the share price will go down even further?
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Berani Elite	17-Nov-2018 21:34        Berani About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	if sell before 12th - No dividend. if sell 12th - got dividend Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:31) Posted: What i mean is if i sell all the shares before 12th dec will i still get the dividends? Yes or no please?
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Brianfoo Senior	17-Nov-2018 21:31        Brianfoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	What i mean is if i sell all the shares before 12th dec will i still get the dividends? Yes or no please?
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Berani Elite	17-Nov-2018 21:30        Berani About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	52 weeks high is 0.61 ... wow lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:26) Posted: Dun say I never help. Based on the last dividend share price pattern. All information can be obtained from SGX and google. Summarised for you. 6th Aug 12am = Annouce results. Dividend 1.6x cents 6th Aug trading close 41 cents. Share price slowly drifted down until 19 Sept (XD). After 19 Sept, share price dropped due to adjustment of 1.6x dividend given out. U can make ur own decision. Charts dun lie :) Cheers Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:23) Posted: Okok hopefully it will go up very soon... if sell before 12th dec will i still get the dividends?
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Berani Elite	17-Nov-2018 21:27        Berani About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	11 dec no dividend 12 dec got dividend Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:23) Posted: Okok hopefully it will go up very soon... if sell before 12th dec will i still get the dividends?
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 21:26        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Dun say I never help. Based on the last dividend share price pattern. All information can be obtained from SGX and google. Summarised for you. 6th Aug 12am = Annouce results. Dividend 1.6x cents 6th Aug trading close 41 cents. Share price slowly drifted down until 19 Sept (XD). After 19 Sept, share price dropped due to adjustment of 1.6x dividend given out. U can make ur own decision. Charts dun lie :) Cheers Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:23) Posted: Okok hopefully it will go up very soon... if sell before 12th dec will i still get the dividends?
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Brianfoo Senior	17-Nov-2018 21:23        Brianfoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Okok hopefully it will go up very soon... if sell before 12th dec will i still get the dividends?
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Berani Elite	17-Nov-2018 21:09        Berani About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	it is usual case for alot of companies but do not expect jump back too high. I guess 0.2 but also monitor the sentiment.. if the sentiment very back... BB will not push also. Brianfoo      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 21:05) Posted: Hi Berani in your oponion so you think the share price will go up before 12th dec as dividend is coming soon so the share price will at least go up a bit? Berani      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 18:31) Posted: last few days already oversold. will stable till distribution
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Brianfoo Senior	17-Nov-2018 21:05        Brianfoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hi Berani in your oponion so you think the share price will go up before 12th dec as dividend is coming soon so the share price will at least go up a bit? Berani      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 18:31) Posted: last few days already oversold. will stable till distribution. lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 18:20) Posted: haha.. maybe can give a few good recommendation. I think is better for someone to switch to other good valued counters rather than keeping Asian TV which may end up like Hyflux. As explained... I rather buy another good quality batterred stock and wait for it to go right back up than holding Asian TV and hoping it goes up again becos everything looks bad for AsianTV and i think it will end up like Hyflux. I using Tuan Sing as an example. Personally I vested in ESR Reits. NTA 49 cents, share price 49 cents. Singapore 4th largest industrial reits. Every quarter gives around 1.03 cents dividend. yield is 8%. So let say switch from AsianTV to ESR Reits at 49 cents. Every year u get around 4 to 5 cents dividend. 10 years later u already double ur capital aka 49 cents + 40+ cents dividend and ESR has room for share price appreciation. AsianTV i feel is simply too risky already. Just my own opinion... for those holding AsianTV and afraid of the share price dropping non stop, can consider switching to ESR Reits or other good quality battered property stocks
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Qanghoo Supreme	17-Nov-2018 18:47        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Most if not all property ctrs have high debt.  TS=1.8bil, CDL=8bil, HKL=8bil, UOL=5bil, Capitaland=29bil.  So, high interest will impact all.  But I think it is sentiment that is impacting property counters more.  Most trading ard 50% NAV.  Important thing is how fast they are able to generate recurrent income n/or recycle capital to cover debt n interest.  For this, I think TS lag behind the others, although I think they are aware of it n are doing a balancing act to increase recurrent income going forward (which shd likely improve div to, going forward).  (Note:  There was a brief period ard 2009 when TS had 0 debt, after flipping Katong Mall for a quick profit of ard 50 mil.  Yet, share px remain ard 50% of NAV.  Thus, if TS' NaV increases to 1.20 in five yrs - 2010, NAV was ard 43c  -  chances are that share px has a chance to move to ard 60c?)  As for interest rates, it' s not likely to go on forever.  Already one of the FED members has noted that the FED is close to a neutral rate (perhaps with another 50-75 basis pts up next yr?).  After that, if if US growth does u-turns (the same FED member has also noted some evidence of global slowing), there&rsquo s also a good chance that interest rates might reverse gear too.    lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 18:20) Posted: haha.. maybe can give a few good recommendation. I think is better for someone to switch to other good valued counters rather than keeping Asian TV which may end up like Hyflux. As explained... I rather buy another good quality batterred stock and wait for it to go right back up than holding Asian TV and hoping it goes up again becos everything looks bad for AsianTV and i think it will end up like Hyflux. I using Tuan Sing as an example. Personally I vested in ESR Reits. NTA 49 cents, share price 49 cents. Singapore 4th largest industrial reits. Every quarter gives around 1.03 cents dividend. yield is 8%. So let say switch from AsianTV to ESR Reits at 49 cents. Every year u get around 4 to 5 cents dividend. 10 years later u already double ur capital aka 49 cents + 40+ cents dividend and ESR has room for share price appreciation. AsianTV i feel is simply too risky already. Just my own opinion... for those holding AsianTV and afraid of the share price dropping non stop, can consider switching to ESR Reits or other good quality battered property stocks. nqing87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:56) Posted: yup what u say is true though.. for oil/gas, their assets hard to sell in a bad market.. which normal person like us will want to buy ship vessels even if it is dirt cheap.. property are more liquidable than oil/gas assets.. property counters in singapore generally are lowly valued far below their NAV, cos the sentiment towards this sector is bad for the past few years.. so u may take many years to see sentiment return.. the best ideal case will be a property counter that has quite a good healthy balance sheet of cash, and little debt.. high debt means u need to pay tonnes of interest, and in the current situation where interest rates are rising, it' s not going to be good for debt heavy companies.. just dont like the super high debt that tuan sing has personally, and it dont give high dividend..
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Berani Elite	17-Nov-2018 18:31        Berani About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	last few days already oversold. will stable till distribution. lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 18:20) Posted: haha.. maybe can give a few good recommendation. I think is better for someone to switch to other good valued counters rather than keeping Asian TV which may end up like Hyflux. As explained... I rather buy another good quality batterred stock and wait for it to go right back up than holding Asian TV and hoping it goes up again becos everything looks bad for AsianTV and i think it will end up like Hyflux. I using Tuan Sing as an example. Personally I vested in ESR Reits. NTA 49 cents, share price 49 cents. Singapore 4th largest industrial reits. Every quarter gives around 1.03 cents dividend. yield is 8%. So let say switch from AsianTV to ESR Reits at 49 cents. Every year u get around 4 to 5 cents dividend. 10 years later u already double ur capital aka 49 cents + 40+ cents dividend and ESR has room for share price appreciation. AsianTV i feel is simply too risky already. Just my own opinion... for those holding AsianTV and afraid of the share price dropping non stop, can consider switching to ESR Reits or other good quality battered property stocks. nqing87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:56) Posted: yup what u say is true though.. for oil/gas, their assets hard to sell in a bad market.. which normal person like us will want to buy ship vessels even if it is dirt cheap.. property are more liquidable than oil/gas assets.. property counters in singapore generally are lowly valued far below their NAV, cos the sentiment towards this sector is bad for the past few years.. so u may take many years to see sentiment return.. the best ideal case will be a property counter that has quite a good healthy balance sheet of cash, and little debt.. high debt means u need to pay tonnes of interest, and in the current situation where interest rates are rising, it' s not going to be good for debt heavy companies.. just dont like the super high debt that tuan sing has personally, and it dont give high dividend..
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 18:20        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	haha.. maybe can give a few good recommendation. I think is better for someone to switch to other good valued counters rather than keeping Asian TV which may end up like Hyflux. As explained... I rather buy another good quality batterred stock and wait for it to go right back up than holding Asian TV and hoping it goes up again becos everything looks bad for AsianTV and i think it will end up like Hyflux. I using Tuan Sing as an example. Personally I vested in ESR Reits. NTA 49 cents, share price 49 cents. Singapore 4th largest industrial reits. Every quarter gives around 1.03 cents dividend. yield is 8%. So let say switch from AsianTV to ESR Reits at 49 cents. Every year u get around 4 to 5 cents dividend. 10 years later u already double ur capital aka 49 cents + 40+ cents dividend and ESR has room for share price appreciation. AsianTV i feel is simply too risky already. Just my own opinion... for those holding AsianTV and afraid of the share price dropping non stop, can consider switching to ESR Reits or other good quality battered property stocks. nqing87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:56) Posted: yup what u say is true though.. for oil/gas, their assets hard to sell in a bad market.. which normal person like us will want to buy ship vessels even if it is dirt cheap.. property are more liquidable than oil/gas assets.. property counters in singapore generally are lowly valued far below their NAV, cos the sentiment towards this sector is bad for the past few years.. so u may take many years to see sentiment return.. the best ideal case will be a property counter that has quite a good healthy balance sheet of cash, and little debt.. high debt means u need to pay tonnes of interest, and in the current situation where interest rates are rising, it' s not going to be good for debt heavy companies.. just dont like the super high debt that tuan sing has personally, and it dont give high dividend..  lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:45) Posted: But i feel properties in singapore quite stable one, only way is up.. sure can fetch good price if liquidate, oilngas the equipment cannot compare :
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nqing87 Supreme	17-Nov-2018 17:56        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yup what u say is true though.. for oil/gas, their assets hard to sell in a bad market.. which normal person like us will want to buy ship vessels even if it is dirt cheap.. property are more liquidable than oil/gas assets.. property counters in singapore generally are lowly valued far below their NAV, cos the sentiment towards this sector is bad for the past few years.. so u may take many years to see sentiment return.. the best ideal case will be a property counter that has quite a good healthy balance sheet of cash, and little debt.. high debt means u need to pay tonnes of interest, and in the current situation where interest rates are rising, it' s not going to be good for debt heavy companies.. just dont like the super high debt that tuan sing has personally, and it dont give high dividend..  lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:45) Posted: But i feel properties in singapore quite stable one, only way is up.. sure can fetch good price if liquidate, oilngas the equipment cannot compare :) nqing87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:43) Posted: tuan sing got rather high debt.. 1.6billion debt with 136mil cash.. i dont think it pays good dividend.. NAV may be high, but not sure if will fetch the value as per NAV if it does liquidate.. this few years we have our oil/gas sector not doing well and many companies having high NAV end up not able to liquidate their assets when they having problem paying debts.. dont rely too heavily on NAV figures, cos most may not get that equivalent amount of cash when liquidat
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 17:45        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	But i feel properties in singapore quite stable one, only way is up.. sure can fetch good price if liquidate, oilngas the equipment cannot compare :) nqing87      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:43) Posted: tuan sing got rather high debt.. 1.6billion debt with 136mil cash.. i dont think it pays good dividend.. NAV may be high, but not sure if will fetch the value as per NAV if it does liquidate.. this few years we have our oil/gas sector not doing well and many companies having high NAV end up not able to liquidate their assets when they having problem paying debts.. dont rely too heavily on NAV figures, cos most may not get that equivalent amount of cash when liquidate lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 08:19) Posted: this counter has super high debt.. it does not look good. If u hold on to it, most likely things are going to get worse becos i dun see any thing that can help the company unless they venture into other businesses. Rather than holding long term and hopefully for a recovery which most likely will end up even worse and the super high  debt  will haunt the company just like how what high debt does to Hyflux . Why dun u switch counter. eg: Tuan Sing for example. Ask urself, is it better to wait for Asian TV share price to rise from around 16 cents back to 30+ cents OR is it better to buy Tuan Sing at 30+ cents and hope for it to go up to 60+ cents noting that NTA of Tuan Sing is 84 cents and may see the owner taking it private which would mean offer price of at least 50-60 cents based on NTA of 84 cents. And if u hold Tuan Sing, u know share price wun drop any further becos NTA is 84 cents, quite unlikely it will drop below 30 cents right.. Compare holding Tuan Sing to Asian TV, hoping for a 100% gain in share price but Tuan Sing definitely is a much safer bet.
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nqing87 Supreme	17-Nov-2018 17:43        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	tuan sing got rather high debt.. 1.6billion debt with 136mil cash.. i dont think it pays good dividend.. NAV may be high, but not sure if will fetch the value as per NAV if it does liquidate.. this few years we have our oil/gas sector not doing well and many companies having high NAV end up not able to liquidate their assets when they having problem paying debts.. dont rely too heavily on NAV figures, cos most may not get that equivalent amount of cash when liquidate lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 08:19) Posted: this counter has super high debt.. it does not look good. If u hold on to it, most likely things are going to get worse becos i dun see any thing that can help the company unless they venture into other businesses. Rather than holding long term and hopefully for a recovery which most likely will end up even worse and the super high  debt  will haunt the company just like how what high debt does to Hyflux . Why dun u switch counter. eg: Tuan Sing for example. Ask urself, is it better to wait for Asian TV share price to rise from around 16 cents back to 30+ cents OR is it better to buy Tuan Sing at 30+ cents and hope for it to go up to 60+ cents noting that NTA of Tuan Sing is 84 cents and may see the owner taking it private which would mean offer price of at least 50-60 cents based on NTA of 84 cents. And if u hold Tuan Sing, u know share price wun drop any further becos NTA is 84 cents, quite unlikely it will drop below 30 cents right.. Compare holding Tuan Sing to Asian TV, hoping for a 100% gain in share price but Tuan Sing definitely is a much safer bet.   Brianfoo      ( Date: 16-Nov-2018 17:28) Posted: I have the holding power just want to get rid of this counter asap once the price recover.
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naux22 Veteran	17-Nov-2018 17:35        naux22 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oh.. it's 0.01625 for this quarter.. can enter but run before XD if the risk is too high.. Starship      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:17) Posted: This current div is actually 1.625c. It drops to 0.3c from next Qtr (Sep-Dec 18). I was also tempted to buy and hold at 15c-16c, but the risk of it dropping much more than the divvy upon XD makes me steer clear of buying it.    lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 16:57) Posted: The only thing when share price will " run" ahead of XD is when the dividend is significant enough. For example  as someone mentioned, Singtel $3.12, dividend 10 cents so can expect it to run till say $3.20-$3.25 3 to 4 daysahead of XD.. But for Asian TV, is only 0.3 cents. So u can expect the share price to " run" from 16.5 cents to 16.8 or 17 cents the most for example. Nobody is crazy enough to push the share price from 16.5 cents to 18 or 20 cents for that 0.3 cents.
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lukewong82 Master	17-Nov-2018 17:27        lukewong82 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	oh ok.. in this case perhaps the share price will rise to 17 cents BUT the 0.3 cents dividend  bad news will be the dampener.. especially IF they annouce further drop from 0.3 to 0.1 for example  due to sudden rapid rising interest rate and that higher interest rate translate to even more debt. Right now they are  projecting their 0.3 cents dividend based on the current interest rate trend. What if there is a sudden acceleration of interest rate hike?? then they may end up like Hyflux.. too risky i feel Starship      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 17:17) Posted: This current div is actually 1.625c. It drops to 0.3c from next Qtr (Sep-Dec 18). I was also tempted to buy and hold at 15c-16c, but the risk of it dropping much more than the divvy upon XD makes me steer clear of buying it.    lukewong82      ( Date: 17-Nov-2018 16:57) Posted: The only thing when share price will " run" ahead of XD is when the dividend is significant enough. For example  as someone mentioned, Singtel $3.12, dividend 10 cents so can expect it to run till say $3.20-$3.25 3 to 4 daysahead of XD.. But for Asian TV, is only 0.3 cents. So u can expect the share price to " run" from 16.5 cents to 16.8 or 17 cents the most for example. Nobody is crazy enough to push the share price from 16.5 cents to 18 or 20 cents for that 0.3 cents.
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