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sengsk Elite	21-Jul-2017 12:52        sengsk About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Nothing to regret as long you make profit. Nobody can catch to best and the worst. Just goes with your apptite.  Trade it happy with a day. feedfrenzy      ( Date: 21-Jul-2017 12:45) Posted: i guess i made a mistake selling at 56cents bought from 38cents avg, congrats to those still holding. Upz123      ( Date: 21-Jul-2017 12:15) Posted: But then.... My 54 basket collection has turned dusty ! Guess high time I hv to discard this away
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feedfrenzy Veteran	21-Jul-2017 12:45        feedfrenzy About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	i guess i made a mistake selling at 56cents bought from 38cents avg, congrats to those still holding. Upz123      ( Date: 21-Jul-2017 12:15) Posted: But then.... My 54 basket collection has turned dusty ! Guess high time I hv to discard this away   RogerTech      ( Date: 21-Jul-2017 11:24) Posted: 58cents -> Huat Huat Huat !!!   8 ! 8 ! 8 !
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Upz123 Senior	21-Jul-2017 12:15        Upz123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	But then.... My 54 basket collection has turned dusty ! Guess high time I hv to discard this away   RogerTech      ( Date: 21-Jul-2017 11:24) Posted: 58cents -> Huat Huat Huat !!!   8 ! 8 ! 8 !
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RogerTech Member	21-Jul-2017 11:24        RogerTech About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	58cents -> Huat Huat Huat !!!   8 ! 8 ! 8 !
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RogerTech Member	20-Jul-2017 19:25        RogerTech About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Even if it is overbought (which I disagree), it is not necessarily over!  ​ there is a good chance the uptrend will continue ... HUAT, HUAT, HUAT ! 8!8!8! ​ it is the most performing component in my portfolio (both from capital gains and dividend collections). TenPips      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 17:33) Posted: Super bullish. Maybe can see > 0.6 soon. Most time frames overbought, but seems like don' t want to correct. Huat to all!
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TenPips Veteran	20-Jul-2017 17:33        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Super bullish. Maybe can see > 0.6 soon. Most time frames overbought, but seems like don' t want to correct. Huat to all!
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RogerTech Member	20-Jul-2017 14:12        RogerTech About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Extracted from the quoted papaer at aspire.sharesinv.com: APTT has reported positive cash flow from operating activities consistently every year. However, if we were to take capital expenditure as well as interest costs paid into consideration, the available free cash flow will not be sufficient to cover the distribution to unitholders.  Just take note!!! --> The big CAPEX is an one-time event, it ends after 2018. After that, NO big CAPEX is needed at least for the short-to-mid term. Pls make sure you digest the content before you quote. kangaroo11      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 13:32) Posted: 1. Another independent research article to confirm FCF is negative http://aspire.sharesinv.com/38622/si-research-asian-pay-television-trust-cheap-bargain-or-a-yield-trap/ 2. Even if i will to use nett profit after tax as per AUDITED FY 2016 of S$60M, dividend payout  as per AUDITED FY 2016 is S$102.37M. My motive is simple. What i am trying to learn here is how i can almost double my spending by earning 60 cents and spend $1.02 everyday without PONZI, more debt or cheating and retire 30yrs earlier. Any experts here can please share and teach me? Morello      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:43) Posted: some of these are not in the game...or if they are, obviously here to spread doubts and fears for their own selfish reasons.  good that u and rogertech do research to convince yrself, I have a different style - not too indepth but enuf to convince myself.  making dough is what matters.  all the best
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kangaroo11 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 13:32        kangaroo11 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	1. Another independent research article to confirm FCF is negative http://aspire.sharesinv.com/38622/si-research-asian-pay-television-trust-cheap-bargain-or-a-yield-trap/ 2. Even if i will to use nett profit after tax as per AUDITED FY 2016 of S$60M, dividend payout  as per AUDITED FY 2016 is S$102.37M. My motive is simple. What i am trying to learn here is how i can almost double my spending by earning 60 cents and spend $1.02 everyday without PONZI, more debt or cheating and retire 30yrs earlier. Any experts here can please share and teach me? Morello      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:43) Posted: some of these are not in the game...or if they are, obviously here to spread doubts and fears for their own selfish reasons.  good that u and rogertech do research to convince yrself, I have a different style - not too indepth but enuf to convince myself.  making dough is what matters.  all the best. timothylim890      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:33) Posted: This is the free market, different people have different objectives and thus take a different approach...there are those who did exhaustive research to come up with the numbers and convinced themselves to take a position be it long or short, and there are those who are short-term punters. Either way, I' m sure over the long term there are opportunities for both sides to make money
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kangaroo11 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 13:17        kangaroo11 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Maybe i know a bit lah! Someone make a statement on APTV cashflow is not negative and refer to AUDITED financials which i then did, so i' m trying to seek clarification on why if the cashflow has been positive would the nett change in cash be negative for 3 concurrent years, so i' m not sure what are you grouching about? ash902      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 07:21) Posted: please read on how a trust distributes dividends. merely copy and pasting its FY report on net change change in cash is wrong. kangaroo11      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 00:37) Posted: Are you serious? if APTV cash flow is not negative, care to elaborate why APTV nett change in cash for FY 2016/FY2015/FY 2014 is ($1.84M), ($13.56M) and ($21.74M) respectively as per AUDITIED financials downloaded first hand from APTV website? Not vested, dont want to keep naging like an old hen, going to sleep liao, good night!
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Morello Veteran	20-Jul-2017 09:43        Morello About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "In it for the long haul"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	some of these are not in the game...or if they are, obviously here to spread doubts and fears for their own selfish reasons.  good that u and rogertech do research to convince yrself, I have a different style - not too indepth but enuf to convince myself.  making dough is what matters.  all the best. timothylim890      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:33) Posted: This is the free market, different people have different objectives and thus take a different approach...there are those who did exhaustive research to come up with the numbers and convinced themselves to take a position be it long or short, and there are those who are short-term punters. Either way, I' m sure over the long term there are opportunities for both sides to make money. Morello      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:30) Posted: aiya ..why bother to convince the doubters??  take it or leave it...our $$$..our gain/loss ma.  no point u keep shooting arrows, u don' t gain we don' t lose.  for me, just point out some facts for the fact seekers, after that if they still doubt, who cares?
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timothylim890 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 09:33        timothylim890 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is the free market, different people have different objectives and thus take a different approach...there are those who did exhaustive research to come up with the numbers and convinced themselves to take a position be it long or short, and there are those who are short-term punters. Either way, I' m sure over the long term there are opportunities for both sides to make money. Morello      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 09:30) Posted: aiya ..why bother to convince the doubters??  take it or leave it...our $$$..our gain/loss ma.  no point u keep shooting arrows, u don' t gain we don' t lose.  for me, just point out some facts for the fact seekers, after that if they still doubt, who cares?
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Morello Veteran	20-Jul-2017 09:30        Morello About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "In it for the long haul"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	aiya ..why bother to convince the doubters??  take it or leave it...our $$$..our gain/loss ma.  no point u keep shooting arrows, u don' t gain we don' t lose.  for me, just point out some facts for the fact seekers, after that if they still doubt, who cares?
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timothylim890 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 08:27        timothylim890 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	From 2014 to 2016 distributed income has been less than operating cashflow. On top of that as of 1Q2017 they have a 67m cash and equivalents buffer...Not sure what is the issue?
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ash902 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 07:21        ash902 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	please read on how a trust distributes dividends. merely copy and pasting its FY report on net change change in cash is wrong. kangaroo11      ( Date: 20-Jul-2017 00:37) Posted: Are you serious? if APTV cash flow is not negative, care to elaborate why APTV nett change in cash for FY 2016/FY2015/FY 2014 is ($1.84M), ($13.56M) and ($21.74M) respectively as per AUDITIED financials downloaded first hand from APTV website? Not vested, dont want to keep naging like an old hen, going to sleep liao, good night!
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kangaroo11 Veteran	20-Jul-2017 00:37        kangaroo11 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Are you serious? if APTV cash flow is not negative, care to elaborate why APTV nett change in cash for FY 2016/FY2015/FY 2014 is ($1.84M), ($13.56M) and ($21.74M) respectively as per AUDITIED financials downloaded first hand from APTV website? Not vested, dont want to keep naging like an old hen, going to sleep liao, good night!
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RogerTech Member	19-Jul-2017 19:59        RogerTech About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That is 2nd hand info & un-audited. Better to delve into APTT Annual Report to get 1st hand & audited info. kangaroo11      ( Date: 19-Jul-2017 18:11) Posted: 2014 Free Cash Flow: S$28.25M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$147.27M 2015 Free Cash Flow: S$30.70M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$116.81M 2016 Free Cash Flow: S$34.34M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$102.37M = 2014 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$21.74M) 2015 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$13.56M) 2016 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$1.84M) http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/apttf/financials/cash-flow
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justinN Member	19-Jul-2017 19:51        justinN About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Sounds like mice following the pied piper... LOL timothylim890      ( Date: 19-Jul-2017 17:06) Posted: Don' t need to mention the banks, if APTT didn' t have a sustainable business model, then neither Temasek nor Morgan Stanley would bother being its substantial shareholders...my two cents. RogerTech      ( Date: 19-Jul-2017 17:00) Posted: for those who are nervous holding APTT: (1) IF APTT cash flow is negetive since IPO day to now, banks will not extend credit line (2) IF the FCF is going to be negative forever, banks will cut off creditline (3) IF the business model is UNSUSTAINABLE, banks will be the first of detecting it SO FAR, none of them occur
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kangaroo11 Veteran	19-Jul-2017 18:11        kangaroo11 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	2014 Free Cash Flow: S$28.25M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$147.27M 2015 Free Cash Flow: S$30.70M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$116.81M 2016 Free Cash Flow: S$34.34M, Cash Dividend Paid: S$102.37M = 2014 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$21.74M) 2015 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$13.56M) 2016 Overall Nett Change in Cash: (S$1.84M) http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/apttf/financials/cash-flow
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TenPips Veteran	19-Jul-2017 17:16        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looks like someone is accumulating despite being overbought.
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timothylim890 Veteran	19-Jul-2017 17:06        timothylim890 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don' t need to mention the banks, if APTT didn' t have a sustainable business model, then neither Temasek nor Morgan Stanley would bother being its substantial shareholders...my two cents. RogerTech      ( Date: 19-Jul-2017 17:00) Posted: for those who are nervous holding APTT: (1) IF APTT cash flow is negetive since IPO day to now, banks will not extend credit line (2) IF the FCF is going to be negative forever, banks will cut off creditline (3) IF the business model is UNSUSTAINABLE, banks will be the first of detecting it SO FAR, none of them occur. timothylim890      ( Date: 19-Jul-2017 16:44) Posted: Indeed as I had pointed out in an earlier post, APTT has strong operating cashflow (185m in 2016) which can more than cover its current interest on debt (55m in 2016 assuming 4.2% effective interest on about $1.3b debt). Even if it takes on more debt to fund CAPEX, operating cashflow can still cover. Operating cashflow for 1Q2017 was 43.6m which is on track for the rest of 2017. Perhaps for those more concerned, could delve a bit more into the breakdown for cashflows to ensure there are no fishy figures
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