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buddy8 Member	23-Aug-2017 20:27        buddy8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yup, during that time, I remember got a diehard mdr supporter...we called him the commander...He is gone as well... Morello      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 18:55) Posted: really 10 over years?  I remember the " good old days" of ACCS!  lol lol buddy8      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 14:56) Posted: If Edward and wife gg to vote, it's seems it sure will go thru. I agree, those who bought earlier are into deep trouble, personally I do not have enough money to subscribe to the rights and warrants. my investment in mdr for 10 plus years is gg down even more. Definitely I hope some miracles the rights and warrants will fail...Those who with money to pick up rights and warrants will not be affected much
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Morello Veteran	23-Aug-2017 18:55        Morello About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood: Yells: "In it for the long haul"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	really 10 over years?  I remember the " good old days" of ACCS!  lol lol buddy8      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 14:56) Posted: If Edward and wife gg to vote, it's seems it sure will go thru. I agree, those who bought earlier are into deep trouble, personally I do not have enough money to subscribe to the rights and warrants. my investment in mdr for 10 plus years is gg down even more. Definitely I hope some miracles the rights and warrants will fail...Those who with money to pick up rights and warrants will not be affected much. fruitty      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 10:18) Posted: For those holding, pls wait until voting to sell out. Now if you sell at 0.4c and if the rights did not happen, Edward will be collect the shares from you cheap.
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sgtrader18 Veteran	23-Aug-2017 17:01        sgtrader18 About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "dont buy if you cant lose - i'm no shortist, i'm a realist."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	true, so make a right bet for yourself. if lose learn when to cut. this is what i learn from the old birds. dont fall in love with the company. you didnt invest for love. you came here for money. Tradervic1234567      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 13:26) Posted: Just being neutral. I think the entire stock market is based on the idea of pooling money and letting others manage. For me alignment of interest is key. Human nature is driven by incentives, so the owner of a company with money invested will be more focussed than an employee drawing salary with little loyalty and will jump ship to a competitor for a bigger pay check. Employees also have greater incentive to ask against the interest of the company because it' s not their money. The Chairman and CEO at Temasek and SIA will still be happy with their $6-10 million salaries and won' t lose sleep when the share price goes down from $20 to $10 in the last 20 years. I work at a local bank and to be frank, as long as i get paid my salary and enjoy my annual leave plus my bonus will range between 1-3 months, i don' t think i care too much what the other divisions are doing. When travelling to HK for work i have the option to fly Cathay or budget, but why should i downgrade, i am not paying the bill. Just sharing my perspetive. But when it comes to my condo that i rent out, if a potential tenant wants to meet at night to view and listen to the night noise vs day noise, i will stop my TV drama and go straight for the viewing, because i want to lock in the rent for myself. Likewise, if savings costs to repair the aircon for the same repair i will choose the cheaper one. Flying Cathay will not cut my travel time, but i get more comfort and airmiles. So bottom line is who do i think has more alignment of interest. Employees or owners? If none is working for our interest, then why are we investing in the stock market in the first place. Might as well go to the casino or put money in the bank, but even then the bank is not looking after our interest and squeeze us on lowest acceptable rates to earn the highest.
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buddy8 Member	23-Aug-2017 14:56        buddy8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If Edward and wife gg to vote, it's seems it sure will go thru. I agree, those who bought earlier are into deep trouble, personally I do not have enough money to subscribe to the rights and warrants. my investment in mdr for 10 plus years is gg down even more. Definitely I hope some miracles the rights and warrants will fail...Those who with money to pick up rights and warrants will not be affected much. fruitty      ( Date: 23-Aug-2017 10:18) Posted: For those holding, pls wait until voting to sell out. Now if you sell at 0.4c and if the rights did not happen, Edward will be collect the shares from you cheap.
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Tradervic1234567 Member	23-Aug-2017 13:26        Tradervic1234567 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just being neutral. I think the entire stock market is based on the idea of pooling money and letting others manage. For me alignment of interest is key. Human nature is driven by incentives, so the owner of a company with money invested will be more focussed than an employee drawing salary with little loyalty and will jump ship to a competitor for a bigger pay check. Employees also have greater incentive to ask against the interest of the company because it' s not their money. The Chairman and CEO at Temasek and SIA will still be happy with their $6-10 million salaries and won' t lose sleep when the share price goes down from $20 to $10 in the last 20 years. I work at a local bank and to be frank, as long as i get paid my salary and enjoy my annual leave plus my bonus will range between 1-3 months, i don' t think i care too much what the other divisions are doing. When travelling to HK for work i have the option to fly Cathay or budget, but why should i downgrade, i am not paying the bill. Just sharing my perspetive. But when it comes to my condo that i rent out, if a potential tenant wants to meet at night to view and listen to the night noise vs day noise, i will stop my TV drama and go straight for the viewing, because i want to lock in the rent for myself. Likewise, if savings costs to repair the aircon for the same repair i will choose the cheaper one. Flying Cathay will not cut my travel time, but i get more comfort and airmiles. So bottom line is who do i think has more alignment of interest. Employees or owners? If none is working for our interest, then why are we investing in the stock market in the first place. Might as well go to the casino or put money in the bank, but even then the bank is not looking after our interest and squeeze us on lowest acceptable rates to earn the highest.
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fruitty Senior	23-Aug-2017 10:18        fruitty About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For those holding, pls wait until voting to sell out. Now if you sell at 0.4c and if the rights did not happen, Edward will be collect the shares from you cheap.
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balasuperman Member	23-Aug-2017 09:52        balasuperman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	this counter is currently like an MLM company. You throw in money hoping that u will get more money but what happens is that more money goes into the pocket of the higherups and u are left with a piece of paper. To those vested please think why is the share price not moving up. Why didnt he price the right issues at 8cents per share instead of 1 cents per share for 8 shares. The money collected will be the same. however if no one takes up the rights issue and edward says he will take up all the rights issue his holding will not increase significantly and the company will have more money. Dont be fooled to think that anyone will work in ur interest. Reject the rights issue.
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fruitty Senior	23-Aug-2017 08:58        fruitty About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If you like to invest in hope good for you. however there' s are many others who bought into this company hoping for organic growth or slow expansion before this rights and warrants issue. This company is profit making and cash rich. They didn' t expect to be asked to hand over $8k+ for their $6k worth of shares. They also didn' t expect the market share to be increased to over 100 billion shares. And to cite you, this " is not cool anymore" . if voting rejects this rights issue, Edward will not crash the share price with his own wealth as collateral. If it is hopeless for him to suck in more money using this company, he would do something to the price to cash out.   marketreader      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 16:41) Posted: We shareholders must think of how to protect and grow our investment. We respect each other in this forum and other people' s views. I am invested in MDR because of the rights and the new life coming in, but if we vote to reject it, then it will remain a boring company. We should vote base on what makes sense not just because voting opposition means we have a voice. Voting PAP is also a voice based on track record. Voting brexit. Voting Trump. Most people thought it' s cool to just vote against for the fun of it. Ended up the consequence is not so cool anymore. For Tee stop delisting is good. But for Trump, Brexit, MDR?    balasuperman      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 10:03) Posted: today shareholders of tee international managed to stop delisting by just a small margin. It is time that shareholders of MDR should follow suit as well. The big boys are all starting to take over profitable counters at bargain prices while the small fry are left to deal with their losses. Hopefully all retail investors go and cast a reject vote in the AGM to show others intending to do the same to think twice. SGX will not protect u you need to do somethings for urself.
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fruitty Senior	23-Aug-2017 08:47        fruitty About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Why buy into or hold uncertainty? With the money can buy into companies that pay steady dividends. This rights and warrants issue is done with too much greed. Edward is going to ask you to hand over more money than your current share worth. Why let him handle your money when his track record is only at enriching himself? Has he managed any listed company where shareholders benefit greatly?
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balasuperman Member	23-Aug-2017 01:15        balasuperman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	nothing is for free. Rights are share that are given to you as a priority. So let say u hve 1 million shares which u bought for 0.005cents u spent 5000 dollars. Because u have 1 million shares they give u the right to buy 8 million shares at 0.001cents which is a discount at current prices. If u do not have the money or do not want to buy the rights share. it goes to a pool and the major shareholders can subscribe to the shares that u did not want or could not afford to buy. So effectively they own more shares at a discounted rate. then comes the issue of warrants which is also not free, In the first year u have to pay a certain amount to own the warrants. the second year the amount increaes and in the third year it increases further. However if u did not subscribe to the rights isuue u will not be entitled to the warrant issue. thus if u did not buy the value of ur shareholding becomes lesser n lesser. If as u say that everything is free why would people want to sell at 0.005cents and there are still no takers. Furthermore if u decide to buy the right issue it puts more money into the hands of the people. If they are good prices will go up but usually it is not the case with greater money comes greater misfortunes. so be aware.
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harlow Member	22-Aug-2017 22:52        harlow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	rights is free...until you subscribe to convert them into shares. if you do not subscribe, they will just expire.  Justice888      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 22:50) Posted: I am confuse .. if we as shareholders no need to pay for the rights. How can the co raise money ? marketreader      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 16:36) Posted: The rights is free no need to pay. So mathematically the correct calculation is: Buy 0.5c = 5k. get 8 rights for free at 0.1c = free 8k.  If you decide to subscribe the rights like in your example pay $8k = then your rights become a mother share then you have 9 month share which at say 0.2c (1 bid higher than rights 0.1c) = $18k  But i think the most important point here which none of us factored in is the free warrants. For the 8 rights exercised, we get 24! free warrants. The value of the warrants is where we make the most money. Even at 0.1c it would be worth another $24k. Of course we assume 0.1c for the warrants but if the warrants are priced at such an attractive price, it' s not unreasonable especially given the life of the warrants 1-3 years, and with the $100m rights cash plus $30m existing cash and $3m profits from normal operations, profits should go up to $15m even on a ROI of 8-10% for the $130m cash. When profits up from $3m to $15m plus management paying dividends, the price cant be 0.1c for the mother, maybe 0.2c is fair. At 0.2c mother, the warrants worth between 0.1c to 0.15c but to be conservative 0.1c. Thats the $24k. Assuming all warrants converted, the company gets another $210m at ROI 10% = $21m plus $15m that' s increasing profit trend from $3m to $15m to $36m within 3 years. Analysts and the market will start playing attention with sizable profits. Maybe by then 0.3 or 0.4c but we have 9 mother and 24 warrants = wow, a $5k plus $8 = $13k investment would be over $100k! That' s only reason why Edward willing to pay 0.7c and now putting in $64m plus original 20% $15m = $80m . He might as well buy Reits collect 7% x $80m = $5.6m a year tax free = nearly $500k a month or $15k a day shake leg.   The only downside, imagine we buy 0.5c calculating all this, but for some reason the voting got shot down, then the rights cancelled and the company remains a small unknown and unloved company, then the price will be sold down because all the big plans and warrant play cancelled. So for me, the question is what' s the risk of voting not passing.
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Justice888 Supreme	22-Aug-2017 22:50        Justice888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am confuse .. if we as shareholders no need to pay for the rights. How can the co raise money ? marketreader      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 16:36) Posted: The rights is free no need to pay. So mathematically the correct calculation is: Buy 0.5c = 5k. get 8 rights for free at 0.1c = free 8k.  If you decide to subscribe the rights like in your example pay $8k = then your rights become a mother share then you have 9 month share which at say 0.2c (1 bid higher than rights 0.1c) = $18k  But i think the most important point here which none of us factored in is the free warrants. For the 8 rights exercised, we get 24! free warrants. The value of the warrants is where we make the most money. Even at 0.1c it would be worth another $24k. Of course we assume 0.1c for the warrants but if the warrants are priced at such an attractive price, it' s not unreasonable especially given the life of the warrants 1-3 years, and with the $100m rights cash plus $30m existing cash and $3m profits from normal operations, profits should go up to $15m even on a ROI of 8-10% for the $130m cash. When profits up from $3m to $15m plus management paying dividends, the price cant be 0.1c for the mother, maybe 0.2c is fair. At 0.2c mother, the warrants worth between 0.1c to 0.15c but to be conservative 0.1c. Thats the $24k. Assuming all warrants converted, the company gets another $210m at ROI 10% = $21m plus $15m that' s increasing profit trend from $3m to $15m to $36m within 3 years. Analysts and the market will start playing attention with sizable profits. Maybe by then 0.3 or 0.4c but we have 9 mother and 24 warrants = wow, a $5k plus $8 = $13k investment would be over $100k! That' s only reason why Edward willing to pay 0.7c and now putting in $64m plus original 20% $15m = $80m . He might as well buy Reits collect 7% x $80m = $5.6m a year tax free = nearly $500k a month or $15k a day shake leg.   The only downside, imagine we buy 0.5c calculating all this, but for some reason the voting got shot down, then the rights cancelled and the company remains a small unknown and unloved company, then the price will be sold down because all the big plans and warrant play cancelled. So for me, the question is what' s the risk of voting not passing.     balasuperman      ( Date: 21-Aug-2017 00:58) Posted: in a rights issue it is not free. You have to pay 0.001cents for every rights share. So it means lets say u have 1million shares, u are entitled to 8 million rights share so u will have to pay $8000/- for the 8 million shares. So effectively u now have 9 million shares at a price of 0.005 cents for the first million that is $5000 plus $8000 for the rights share total will be $13000/- and if price drops to 0.001cents u share are only worth $9000/- so u are losing money n not making a profit. So if u renounce ur rights and edward or orther shareholdrs take up the rights they will be paying 0.001 cents for every right issue. so u still have 1 million share which u spent 5000/- buying but if price drops to 0.001cents it will be only worth $1000/- u lose $4000/.
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Invest1 Elite	22-Aug-2017 22:00        Invest1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I also think it is better for MDR. Too stagnant in current business, hopefully will have better business investments. marketreader      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 16:41) Posted: We shareholders must think of how to protect and grow our investment. We respect each other in this forum and other people' s views. I am invested in MDR because of the rights and the new life coming in, but if we vote to reject it, then it will remain a boring company. We should vote base on what makes sense not just because voting opposition means we have a voice. Voting PAP is also a voice based on track record. Voting brexit. Voting Trump. Most people thought it' s cool to just vote against for the fun of it. Ended up the consequence is not so cool anymore. For Tee stop delisting is good. But for Trump, Brexit, MDR?    balasuperman      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 10:03) Posted: today shareholders of tee international managed to stop delisting by just a small margin. It is time that shareholders of MDR should follow suit as well. The big boys are all starting to take over profitable counters at bargain prices while the small fry are left to deal with their losses. Hopefully all retail investors go and cast a reject vote in the AGM to show others intending to do the same to think twice. SGX will not protect u you need to do somethings for urself.
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marketreader Member	22-Aug-2017 16:41        marketreader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We shareholders must think of how to protect and grow our investment. We respect each other in this forum and other people' s views. I am invested in MDR because of the rights and the new life coming in, but if we vote to reject it, then it will remain a boring company. We should vote base on what makes sense not just because voting opposition means we have a voice. Voting PAP is also a voice based on track record. Voting brexit. Voting Trump. Most people thought it' s cool to just vote against for the fun of it. Ended up the consequence is not so cool anymore. For Tee stop delisting is good. But for Trump, Brexit, MDR?    balasuperman      ( Date: 22-Aug-2017 10:03) Posted: today shareholders of tee international managed to stop delisting by just a small margin. It is time that shareholders of MDR should follow suit as well. The big boys are all starting to take over profitable counters at bargain prices while the small fry are left to deal with their losses. Hopefully all retail investors go and cast a reject vote in the AGM to show others intending to do the same to think twice. SGX will not protect u you need to do somethings for urself.
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marketreader Member	22-Aug-2017 16:36        marketreader About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The rights is free no need to pay. So mathematically the correct calculation is: Buy 0.5c = 5k. get 8 rights for free at 0.1c = free 8k.  If you decide to subscribe the rights like in your example pay $8k = then your rights become a mother share then you have 9 month share which at say 0.2c (1 bid higher than rights 0.1c) = $18k  But i think the most important point here which none of us factored in is the free warrants. For the 8 rights exercised, we get 24! free warrants. The value of the warrants is where we make the most money. Even at 0.1c it would be worth another $24k. Of course we assume 0.1c for the warrants but if the warrants are priced at such an attractive price, it' s not unreasonable especially given the life of the warrants 1-3 years, and with the $100m rights cash plus $30m existing cash and $3m profits from normal operations, profits should go up to $15m even on a ROI of 8-10% for the $130m cash. When profits up from $3m to $15m plus management paying dividends, the price cant be 0.1c for the mother, maybe 0.2c is fair. At 0.2c mother, the warrants worth between 0.1c to 0.15c but to be conservative 0.1c. Thats the $24k. Assuming all warrants converted, the company gets another $210m at ROI 10% = $21m plus $15m that' s increasing profit trend from $3m to $15m to $36m within 3 years. Analysts and the market will start playing attention with sizable profits. Maybe by then 0.3 or 0.4c but we have 9 mother and 24 warrants = wow, a $5k plus $8 = $13k investment would be over $100k! That' s only reason why Edward willing to pay 0.7c and now putting in $64m plus original 20% $15m = $80m . He might as well buy Reits collect 7% x $80m = $5.6m a year tax free = nearly $500k a month or $15k a day shake leg.   The only downside, imagine we buy 0.5c calculating all this, but for some reason the voting got shot down, then the rights cancelled and the company remains a small unknown and unloved company, then the price will be sold down because all the big plans and warrant play cancelled. So for me, the question is what' s the risk of voting not passing.     balasuperman      ( Date: 21-Aug-2017 00:58) Posted: in a rights issue it is not free. You have to pay 0.001cents for every rights share. So it means lets say u have 1million shares, u are entitled to 8 million rights share so u will have to pay $8000/- for the 8 million shares. So effectively u now have 9 million shares at a price of 0.005 cents for the first million that is $5000 plus $8000 for the rights share total will be $13000/- and if price drops to 0.001cents u share are only worth $9000/- so u are losing money n not making a profit. So if u renounce ur rights and edward or orther shareholdrs take up the rights they will be paying 0.001 cents for every right issue. so u still have 1 million share which u spent 5000/- buying but if price drops to 0.001cents it will be only worth $1000/- u lose $4000/.
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balasuperman Member	22-Aug-2017 10:03        balasuperman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	today shareholders of tee international managed to stop delisting by just a small margin. It is time that shareholders of MDR should follow suit as well. The big boys are all starting to take over profitable counters at bargain prices while the small fry are left to deal with their losses. Hopefully all retail investors go and cast a reject vote in the AGM to show others intending to do the same to think twice. SGX will not protect u you need to do somethings for urself.
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buddy8 Member	21-Aug-2017 10:56        buddy8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Edward and wife will vote for rights and warrants issue. All of us combined to reject will still be be far from their votes. It is a sure go ahead imo. balasuperman      ( Date: 19-Aug-2017 13:41) Posted: with the ways things are going for mdr investors there are a few optio left 1 attend agm and reject the right cum warrants issue. 2 Hope the previous guy buy back the shares of mdr in the open market as he will be getting them at a discount to what was paid for his 1.2 billion shares at 6.5cts. He can buy more shares with it and can reemerge as the managing shareholder. 3 Pray that everything works out and that edward has the best interest of improving the company and he brings the company forward. 4 Sell everything even if at a loss so that the loss does not become greater. Best of luck people.
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buddy8 Member	21-Aug-2017 09:18        buddy8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	After ex rights, price should be gg around 0.001555. but again, 1 rights entitled to 3 warrants...Cannot imagine how low the price will be. Only the rich, able to subscribe to all rights and warrants will not be as badly affected.
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gufeng Senior	21-Aug-2017 08:29        gufeng About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Go read SGX annoucement section 2.3 Shareholoders can accept, decline or otherwise renounce, or trade their provisional allotment of rights share with warrants during the provisonal allotment trading period. The rights share with warrant will be payable in full upon acceptance and/or application. gufeng      ( Date: 21-Aug-2017 08:17) Posted: You dont have to pay anything for the entitled rights issue. Means that you can straight sell it at what price the rights is traded. You only pay $0.001 if you want to convert the rights to ordinary share. This is call renoucecable rights. For non-renouceable rights you cannot sell your rights share. balasuperman      ( Date: 21-Aug-2017 00:58) Posted: in a rights issue it is not free. You have to pay 0.001cents for every rights share. So it means lets say u have 1million shares, u are entitled to 8 million rights share so u will have to pay $8000/- for the 8 million shares. So effectively u now have 9 million shares at a price of 0.005 cents for the first million that is $5000 plus $8000 for the rights share total will be $13000/- and if price drops to 0.001cents u share are only worth $9000/- so u are losing money n not making a profit. So if u renounce ur rights and edward or orther shareholdrs take up the rights they will be paying 0.001 cents for every right issue. so u still have 1 million share which u spent 5000/- buying but if price drops to 0.001cents it will be only worth $1000/- u lose $4000/.
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gufeng Senior	21-Aug-2017 08:17        gufeng About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You dont have to pay anything for the entitled rights issue. Means that you can straight sell it at what price the rights is traded. You only pay $0.001 if you want to convert the rights to ordinary share. This is call renoucecable rights. For non-renouceable rights you cannot sell your rights share. balasuperman      ( Date: 21-Aug-2017 00:58) Posted: in a rights issue it is not free. You have to pay 0.001cents for every rights share. So it means lets say u have 1million shares, u are entitled to 8 million rights share so u will have to pay $8000/- for the 8 million shares. So effectively u now have 9 million shares at a price of 0.005 cents for the first million that is $5000 plus $8000 for the rights share total will be $13000/- and if price drops to 0.001cents u share are only worth $9000/- so u are losing money n not making a profit. So if u renounce ur rights and edward or orther shareholdrs take up the rights they will be paying 0.001 cents for every right issue. so u still have 1 million share which u spent 5000/- buying but if price drops to 0.001cents it will be only worth $1000/- u lose $4000/.
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