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Just4win Supreme	05-Dec-2017 09:12        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The company is working towards divesting their projects in  Tianjin Dagang ,  China , and  partial divestment of Tuaspring Integrated Water and Power plant, Sgp. They shd use  some  of the proceeds  to  redeem the  bonds and capital securities. Hope the company will release more official announcement soon pertaining to the date of bond redemption.
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Just4win Supreme	29-Nov-2017 18:22        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	oic.  I did buy both... not much.. just vested small amount.  Good luck to all of us here.   TenPips      ( Date: 29-Nov-2017 17:55) Posted: Reached buy price. I won' t buy the shares or the other bond. This Bond can still try. Don' t think a company that deals with municipal services will fold within 6 months. Just4win      ( Date: 29-Nov-2017 17:26) Posted: Oh? Why leh ? Got confidence now
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TenPips Veteran	29-Nov-2017 17:55        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Reached buy price. I won' t buy the shares or the other bond. This Bond can still try. Don' t think a company that deals with municipal services will fold within 6 months. Just4win      ( Date: 29-Nov-2017 17:26) Posted: Oh? Why leh ? Got confidence now? TenPips      ( Date: 29-Nov-2017 17:11) Posted: Loaded some. Looking to add more.
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Just4win Supreme	29-Nov-2017 17:26        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oh? Why leh ? Got confidence now? TenPips      ( Date: 29-Nov-2017 17:11) Posted: Loaded some. Looking to add more.
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TenPips Veteran	29-Nov-2017 17:11        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Loaded some. Looking to add more.
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TenPips Veteran	27-Nov-2017 17:14        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This one redeems earlier, in about 5 months' time. The other one a few years later.  john_ric      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 13:26) Posted: you mean the other 6% bond is worse? what is the reason?? TenPips      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 10:13) Posted: I wouldn' t dare touch the other bond. Am still open to buy this one if it reaches my buy price.
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bernardc Elite	27-Nov-2017 16:40        bernardc About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	since this is a cumulative perps..sooner or latre they have to pay up..or go bust xtraderx      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 16:12) Posted: They won' t close shop, at most step up the interest rate to 8%, 6% is what a typical junk rated bond yields now, since this is junior to bonds 8% is right about fair anyway. Investors who are trying to bottom fish this need to consider the possibility that Hyflux might choose to not distribute dividends to shareholders, they have no short term financing needs now so they don' t have to worry about market reaction to that. Remember preference shares are not bonds, they don' t need to die die pay coupon every year. bernardc      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 08:44) Posted: if they do not..they will close shop...or raise the interest to 8% pa.. anyway the $1 perps was ipo to pay for the $100 perps..i believe this is one of the main reason
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xtraderx Veteran	27-Nov-2017 16:12        xtraderx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	They won' t close shop, at most step up the interest rate to 8%, 6% is what a typical junk rated bond yields now, since this is junior to bonds 8% is right about fair anyway. Investors who are trying to bottom fish this need to consider the possibility that Hyflux might choose to not distribute dividends to shareholders, they have no short term financing needs now so they don' t have to worry about market reaction to that. Remember preference shares are not bonds, they don' t need to die die pay coupon every year. bernardc      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 08:44) Posted: if they do not..they will close shop...or raise the interest to 8% pa.. anyway the $1 perps was ipo to pay for the $100 perps..i believe this is one of the main reasons xtraderx      ( Date: 15-Nov-2017 10:33) Posted: The company' s cash burn rate is crazy,  whats the rationale behind this confidence that Hyflux will definitely call back the preference shares? Because Temasek has a stake in it?
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john_ric Supreme	27-Nov-2017 13:26        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	you mean the other 6% bond is worse? what is the reason?? TenPips      ( Date: 27-Nov-2017 10:13) Posted: I wouldn' t dare touch the other bond. Am still open to buy this one if it reaches my buy price.
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TenPips Veteran	27-Nov-2017 10:13        TenPips About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I wouldn' t dare touch the other bond. Am still open to buy this one if it reaches my buy price.
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bernardc Elite	27-Nov-2017 08:44        bernardc About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	if they do not..they will close shop...or raise the interest to 8% pa.. anyway the $1 perps was ipo to pay for the $100 perps..i believe this is one of the main reasons xtraderx      ( Date: 15-Nov-2017 10:33) Posted: The company' s cash burn rate is crazy,  whats the rationale behind this confidence that Hyflux will definitely call back the preference shares? Because Temasek has a stake in it?   lorann      ( Date: 13-Nov-2017 20:56) Posted: Hold on very tightly cos 6% p.a. coming soon with call back additional principal
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genting^2 Master	26-Nov-2017 19:16        genting^2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	lelong sale. grab before offer ends.
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vivivava Veteran	16-Nov-2017 12:13        vivivava About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	free cash flow all negative for the last 4 years?
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genting^2 Master	16-Nov-2017 12:07        genting^2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Liekwise the other Hyflux reall in 2020 is almost 10% pa worth parking to
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genting^2 Master	16-Nov-2017 11:56        genting^2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No worries. park money and get returns for another 2.5 yrs.
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Just4win Supreme	16-Nov-2017 11:35        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	Trading at effective return of almost 10%/pa now.. assume if it is redeemed in 2.5yrs later ...
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xtraderx Veteran	15-Nov-2017 10:33        xtraderx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The company' s cash burn rate is crazy,  whats the rationale behind this confidence that Hyflux will definitely call back the preference shares? Because Temasek has a stake in it?   lorann      ( Date: 13-Nov-2017 20:56) Posted: Hold on very tightly cos 6% p.a. coming soon with call back additional principal
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Just4win Supreme	15-Nov-2017 09:26        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	OK.. today is the last chance. genting^2      ( Date: 14-Nov-2017 23:14) Posted: Get it before it si gone
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genting^2 Master	14-Nov-2017 23:14        genting^2 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Get it before it si gone
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Just4win Supreme	14-Nov-2017 15:36        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pretty good.. 6 rounds of div + cap gain if it is redeemed in May 2020.    Thx ! genting^2      ( Date: 14-Nov-2017 15:11) Posted: i think so. definitely more than 6% that is for sure as recall will be at $1.00
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