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newbie888
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28-Apr-2014 23:57
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from http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/21855/china-fishery-group-reports-increase-in-net-profit-for-fy2013 : " Looking forward to FY2014, China Fishery will focus on the creation and realisation of synergies and cost savings from the Copeinca acquisition. The Group will also explore the possibility of increasing the value of the catch by promoting Peruvian Anchovy for direct human consumption. This presents a long-term value proposition for the overall growth of the Group' s business," said Mr Ng. If im not wrong they have been emphasizing that all along..  im vested but i do wary of the risk that is associated with this industry...el nino, government law, high operating cost  etc...  so at the of the day still have to dyodd .... good luck to all...yea....
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newbie888
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28-Apr-2014 23:45
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hi stockpicker.. thanks for all the info ...appreciate it...  yea  aquacultural outpput is becoming more in demand due to the increase in demand of fishes and most likely will outstrip the wild catch... it is inevitable they have to find a substitute to either replace or complement fishmeal made from anchovy.... thats y instead of sitting around waiting to be ousted, Copeinca  is alre looking into the possibility of using their catch more for direct human consumption, which is also more profitable.. although nothing is concrete yet...but what we do know from the report available to us is that they are alre doing something....  waiting for a breakthrough...cheers...
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EZ3626
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28-Apr-2014 12:28
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Stockpicker, once again thanks for the statistic and graph. Everything is good except the figure for Aquaculture ... how they get 83.732 (1,000 tonnes) ??? This figure happened to be in 2011, we have seen report that the demand for fish is China and around the globe has increased over the years ..... there is a limit as to how far Chinese can increase or expand their farms and not forget the Diaoyu / Senkaku islands dispute (NOT RESOLVED YET). That' s why so many funds are wanting fishing companies in Peru ??? Anyway as mentioned " The fishing situation in Peru will be clearer in the next few days .... "   Guess it is all about the price .....  |
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28-Apr-2014 11:51
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Sori.. the table quoted should be in millions of tons |
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28-Apr-2014 11:35
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Many thought that Peru has very large fishery output that supply all to China and the rest of the World.  Here is picture of FAO.  China has 30% of the World output in 2011 whereas Peru has only about 5%.  Further,  China has 50,000 tons of aquaculture production as compared to 16,000 tons of wild catch.  If the price of the wild catch were to increase again,  it would definitely change this ratio..  
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28-Apr-2014 11:16
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The message is not about El-nino or quotas but about prices being  determined by supply and demand..as the wild catch is reducing output,  the aquaculture farm is increasing output to replace the shortfall. Whether the price increase would help Copeinca or not or  whether the price should increase at all after a hefty jump in last few years will depend on the balance of supply.    Yes,    the aquaculture farm do need fish meal   question is why the supply must come from wild catch?  By 2018 or thereabout,  the aquacultural farm' s output will outstrip the wild catch  
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handongni
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28-Apr-2014 08:43
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原 来 是 球 球 姐 姐 , 太 好 了 。 在 扫 荡 鼠 辈 的 道 路 上 多 了 一 位 好 帮 手 , 真 是 如 虎 添 翼 呀 , 哈 哈 哈 。
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EZ3626
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27-Apr-2014 07:24
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Stockpicker, thanks for the report. It said " 2010 was a very special year, during which both moderate " El Niño" event and " La Niña" occurred, reducing quotas and catch by almost half the volumes of a normal year. Despite that, cash flow generation was strong." Since this 2010 happening, Peru Production Ministry is watchful and mindful of it. They have brought forward the date of first fishing season to 23 April which is 3 weeks ahead.  The fishing companies are also more prepared and have better understanding of the effect. They are confidence of bringing the catch 2.5m tons quota. " The fishing situation in Peru will be clearer in the next few days .... " as reported.   
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stockpicker
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26-Apr-2014 11:38
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sori.. should be this one http://hugin.info/137275/R/1492358/428115.pdf
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26-Apr-2014 11:34
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Here is the that report of Copeinca.. http://hugin.info/137275/R/1388342/346557.pdf   |
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26-Apr-2014 11:34
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姐 啊 , it' s me lah.. lol
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26-Apr-2014 11:30
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The fish and fish meal price will be determined by the supply and demand.    In its 2010 financial report,  Copeinca said its catch was reduced by 40% due to a mild El-nino in 2009 but the price went up about 80%   as a result,  the Ebitda earning rose by 30%.    That year,  it has reported   a negative operating profit of -1.5 mil because of the impairmnt loses.  As there is always a basic operating cost to maintain the setup,  whether the company can make money will depend on how much will the price be increased and how the catch will be  affected.  The fish price has more than doubled  over the last 10 years.  There is also limit as to how much this fish price will further increase viz-a-viz the fish price from the aqua-cultural farms. |
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handongni
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25-Apr-2014 15:23
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with helping hands, mission completed earlier than expected. 我 去 也 。 |
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SLPY69
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25-Apr-2014 14:10
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Peru' s Production Ministry has done well by allowing early start for the fishing season with an increase in  fish quota to 2.5m tons.  &ldquo The fishing season will take place earlier so companies can catch higher volumes,&rdquo Ghezzi said. The real concern is not about El Nino or whether can they catch 2.5m tons .... rather  the prices .... how high !!!    Enjoy ... just be patience
" If the El Nino hits hard, this season' s  2.5m tons is all we' ll have to sell," he added. Prices out of Peru recently settled at around  $1,600 &ndash $1,620 per metric ton  for super prime fishmeal, a  big jump  from  $1,450-$1,460 last December. Fishmeal players hold off on orders for now as season makes early startApril 24, 2014, 1:15 pm
Eva Tallaksen,  Alicia Villegas
As the year&rsquo s first anchovy season in Peru  kicks off to an early start, fishmeal sellers out of Peru are holding off on booking too many orders for now in anticipation of a firm market ahead. A potential high level of small anchovy in the catch could see Peru' s first fishing season hit by several ' mini-bans' on fishing, three large Peruvian producers told  Undercurrent News. This, combined with uncertainty over  this year' s El Nino effect  and over demand in China, coupled with relatively low inventories in Peru and a moderate fishing quota, mean prices are expected to remain firm if not go up in the coming months, said the exporters. Prices out of Peru recently settled at around $1,600 &ndash $1,620 per metric ton for super prime fishmeal, a big jump from  $1,450-$1,460 last December. " We are waiting to see how the fishing goes before selling," said one producer, who said he expected prices to stay at those levels for the coming season. One producer said they had sent vessels out as soon as the season opened at midnight on Wednesday April 23, but had not caught anything yet. Research from Peru' s marine institute Imarpe has suggested that the stock will have high levels of juvenile fish, said this supplier. " So maybe we will have a mini-ban during this season. It' s not sure we' ll be able to complete our TAC." " We have to keep monitoring Peruvian fishing conditions &ndash probably mini bans due to juveniles &ndash as well as weather conditions in China to forecast the next prices. In this very moment, prices are firm," said another exporter. This exporter said he expects prices to be in the range of $1,600 to $1,700 for this year' s season, FOB Peru, super prime meal. Prices in Shanghai are now said to be around CNY 10,000 ($1,618) per metric ton, compared to CNY 9,600 last December. Prices in China are up by CNY 100-500 depending on the port and the grade, said  one exporter. Peru, meanwhile, is said to have pre-sold some 90,000 to 100,000 metric tons of fishmeal from the coming season &mdash representing catches of around 420,000t.  The TAC for the year&rsquo s first season was set at 2.5 million tons. Although there is room to book more, the sellers said they are not in a hurry to seal orders right now, and buyers are also waiting to have a better overview of demand in China. " The market hasn&rsquo t reached an equilibrium," said one. " It' s hard to say at what level prices will stabilize, it will depend on the catch and  if  the weather and aquaculture season is good in China.  But I don' t think prices will go down." " If the El Nino hits hard, this season' s 2.5m tons is all we&rsquo ll have to sell," he added. The demand in China, the biggest fishmeal market, will be a key factor. Last year, a poor aquaculture season sent Chinese demand plummeting and prices dropping &mdash albeit from very high levels &ndash   in the second half of the year. According to the Peruvian producers canvassed by  Undercurrent,  demand in China is looking firm at the moment, but weather conditions are still uncertain. " In  the south the weather is good, farmers are foreseeing a good demand from aquaculture, as long as there are no sudden big rains for a long time," said one exporter, commenting on China. On the other hand, he said, " the pig situation is still very bad." China is reporting to have some 253,000t in inventories, he added. " Off-takes are good, mainly because users were scared and filled their warehouses with current stocks due to expect poor fishing in Peru." The fishing situation in Peru will become clearer in the next few days,  while the situation in China will become clearer by May/ June. " We have to wait until weather conditions improve in China in the next weeks to see the real demand," said one producer. " Chinese buyers are waiting for weather conditions to  improve to see the real demand, they also are not in a rush to buy due to the current stock as well as the pending arrivals coming to Chinese ports. The real demand would come during June." China is reporting to have some 253,000t in inventories, he added. " Off-takes are good, mainly because users were scared and filled their warehouses with current stocks due to expect poor fishing in Peru." |
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handongni
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25-Apr-2014 13:39
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25-Apr-2014 12:40
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This predictions are just maths models based on data.. checked some data.  They might deviate in turns of magnitude   for example,  predicted was +!C and actual was 0.2C but the trend is there,  meaning when they predict surface temperature rise,  it rose.      The Singapore weather station detected some temperature rises for the past 2 months and they appear to go along with the prediction that temperature in April onward is going to be higher.  Anyway,  we have longer period of drought recently followed by heavy down pours.. weather is changing.. http://www.weather.gov.sg/wip/c/portal/layout?p_l_id=PUB.1003.640   |
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newbie888
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24-Apr-2014 01:59
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i guess all this forecast are just talking about the probability of it happening....untill the day it really take place.....it is just a forecast......so we can all just hope for the best for mother earth.....and of cos the fishy biz...lol...
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23-Apr-2014 17:22
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  El nino chance increased to 70%.. http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2014/04/08/325752.html   |
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23-Apr-2014 04:44
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Would put more trust  on forecast of the US' s National Weather Service (NOAA) as shown here http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf
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22-Apr-2014 20:07
Yells: "Winners cry..... Losers smile....." |
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Peru ups anchovy TAC 23% to 2.53m, confirms April start to season Peru has set the total allowable catch for its first anchovy season of the year at 2.53 million metric tons, a 23% increase from last year but still down from levels seen in early 2012 and in 2011. The country&rsquo s production ministry (Produce) also confirmed that the season would start earlier than usual in  anticipation of a potential El Nino effect on catches later in the year. Instead of starting in mid May, the season will therefore open this Wednesday, April 23, running until the end of July, said Produce. Last year&rsquo s first season had a TAC of 2.05m and started on May 17.  That was a 34% drop from the previous year&rsquo s first season TAC of 2.75m, and even more down from the TAC of 3.675m in the first season of 2011 (see table below). But it was the drastic cut in the second season of 2012 that took its toll on the industry &mdash the huge drop saw Peru&rsquo s fishmeal producers swing into the red last year, posting combined losses of around $87 million. Peru&rsquo s anchovy quotas, 2011-2013, in metric tons: 
Serious El Nino effect ahead? Experts, meanwhile, are divided over the potential impact that El Nino could have this year for Peru&rsquo s anchovy catches. According to fishery export and oceanic scientist Luis Icochea,  Peru could witness one of the strongest El Nino to date this year, potentially substantially impacting anchovy catches, and as a result the fishmeal industry. Icochea pointed to abnormally high temperatures so far this year, which he argues are reminiscent of 1997-98. But others have different views. NOAA&rsquo s  climate prediction center (NCEP) estimates that there is about a 50% chance of El Nino developing during the summer or fall. For his part, German Vasquez, president of ENFEN &mdash a Peruvian institution researching El Nino &mdash told local media the phenomenon this year is expected to be &ldquo from weak to moderate&rdquo . Peru has two anchovy fishing seasons a year, with the second running from November to January. (source: Undercurrent news April 22, 2014, 7:39 am Eva Tallaksen) |
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  Enjoy ... just be patience