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investshare Supreme	18-Oct-2018 21:32        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	At least not bankrupt, still got hope to recover one day. Stephenchow      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:27) Posted: 1. Existing shareholders left with 40% of the company already big dilution 2. TS sell below Maybank loan amount, will need to top up the difference to the bank 3. If TS out, still left with $2b plus debt. My 10k share likely left with 4k, they will likely make use of this opportunity to reduce their debt to minimal .   investshare      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:17) Posted: Fact: Tuas spring is loss making Scenario 1: sell it , pay Maybank. Result: Hyflux without TS, no loss making, shareholder no dilution Scenario 2: Salim invest, money pay Maybank Result: Hyflux keep TS, bank account no change as Salim cash go to Maybank, continue bleeding, big dilution Which one better?
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Stephenchow Veteran	18-Oct-2018 21:27        Stephenchow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	1. Existing shareholders left with 40% of the company already big dilution 2. TS sell below Maybank loan amount, will need to top up the difference to the bank 3. If TS out, still left with $2b plus debt. My 10k share likely left with 4k, they will likely make use of this opportunity to reduce their debt to minimal .   investshare      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 21:17) Posted: Fact: Tuas spring is loss making Scenario 1: sell it , pay Maybank. Result: Hyflux without TS, no loss making, shareholder no dilution Scenario 2: Salim invest, money pay Maybank Result: Hyflux keep TS, bank account no change as Salim cash go to Maybank, continue bleeding, big dilution Which one better?
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investshare Supreme	18-Oct-2018 21:17        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Fact: Tuas spring is loss making Scenario 1: sell it , pay Maybank. Result: Hyflux without TS, no loss making, shareholder no dilution Scenario 2: Salim invest, money pay Maybank Result: Hyflux keep TS, bank account no change as Salim cash go to Maybank, continue bleeding, big dilution Which one better?
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Starship Supreme	18-Oct-2018 21:02        Starship About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	$400m / 21 cents = issue 1 904 761 905 new shares (1.9b shares) $400m / 10 cents = issue 4 000 000 000 new shares (4b shares) OR 40% = 784m existing shares 60% = 1.122b new shares to be issued
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danger Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:55        danger About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Will Sembcorp up a higher bid with $600 million investment ??? : ) ysh2006      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:52) Posted: Don't sell TS Maybank not agree and Semb Corp / Govt object to this deal . Starship      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:44) Posted: Hyflux to get S$530m lifeline from Indonesia' s Salim, Medco groups SINGAPORE:  Embattled water treatment firm Hyflux, which is in the midst of a court-supervised reorganisation, is set to receive a S$530 million investment from a consortium comprising Indonesia' s Salim Group and Medco Group, in a move that gives it a lifeline for its struggling business. The consortium, SM Investments, will own 60 per cent of equity in Hyflux when the deal is completed, Hyflux announced on Thursday (Oct 18). The investment comprises two portions: S$400 million for the 60 per cent equity and a shareholder loan of S$130 million, according to a stock exchange filing. Additionally, Hyflux will also get a S$30 million loan as interim working capital until the proposed deal is completed. Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:52        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don't sell TS Maybank not agree and Semb Corp / Govt object to this deal . Starship      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:44) Posted: Hyflux to get S$530m lifeline from Indonesia' s Salim, Medco groups SINGAPORE:  Embattled water treatment firm Hyflux, which is in the midst of a court-supervised reorganisation, is set to receive a S$530 million investment from a consortium comprising Indonesia' s Salim Group and Medco Group, in a move that gives it a lifeline for its struggling business. The consortium, SM Investments, will own 60 per cent of equity in Hyflux when the deal is completed, Hyflux announced on Thursday (Oct 18). The investment comprises two portions: S$400 million for the 60 per cent equity and a shareholder loan of S$130 million, according to a stock exchange filing. Additionally, Hyflux will also get a S$30 million loan as interim working capital until the proposed deal is completed. Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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Stephenchow Veteran	18-Oct-2018 20:52        Stephenchow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Auntie did say that she is not selling any assets, but will PUB agree to Indo holding TS is another BIG question... 凯 发 创 办 人 、 主 席 兼 总 裁 林 爱 莲 在 记 者 会 上 说 ， 选 择 它 们 作 为 策 略 合 作 伙 伴 ， 是 因 为 能 够 带 给 凯 发 最 佳 的 价 值 。 凯 发 将 不 会 脱 售 任 何 资 产 ， 以 保 持 凯 发 的 完 整 性 。 danger      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:35) Posted: Olivia said with this investment... no longer need to sell any assets anymore MikeL2009      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:29) Posted: Tuas Spring sales is separate item n shld still be on right? At least this cld boost their bargaining confidence power a bit.
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Starship Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:44        Starship About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hyflux to get S$530m lifeline from Indonesia' s Salim, Medco groups SINGAPORE:  Embattled water treatment firm Hyflux, which is in the midst of a court-supervised reorganisation, is set to receive a S$530 million investment from a consortium comprising Indonesia' s Salim Group and Medco Group, in a move that gives it a lifeline for its struggling business. The consortium, SM Investments, will own 60 per cent of equity in Hyflux when the deal is completed, Hyflux announced on Thursday (Oct 18). The investment comprises two portions: S$400 million for the 60 per cent equity and a shareholder loan of S$130 million, according to a stock exchange filing. Additionally, Hyflux will also get a S$30 million loan as interim working capital until the proposed deal is completed. Ms Lum said on Thursday that Hyflux would not need to sell Tuaspring but she did not give details. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hyflux-to-receive-s-530m-investment-from-salim-medco-groups-10840770
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:36        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	PUB objected to this arrangement ...Maybank will take the injeted money first... Observers      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:32) Posted: This one have to have a deep legal understanding of the contract between Tuaspring and PUB, and in the event of a change of control of Hyflux. MikeL2009      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:29) Posted: Tuas Spring sales is separate item n shld still be on right? At least this cld boost their bargaining confidence power a bit.
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danger Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:35        danger About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Olivia said with this investment... no longer need to sell any assets anymore MikeL2009      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:29) Posted: Tuas Spring sales is separate item n shld still be on right? At least this cld boost their bargaining confidence power a bit.
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MikeL2009 Senior	18-Oct-2018 20:33        MikeL2009 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Option to hold till the cows come home. Can there be such synergy bwte Hyflux n the white knight to turn around the ship if given 5-7 ys ysh2006      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:29) Posted: Enlarge share holding issue more shares to Indonesian think price will be like Noble or Ezion lah... Maller      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:51) Posted: Opening price at least 75 cents? Based on price per share? Dyodd
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Observers Elite	18-Oct-2018 20:32        Observers About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This one have to have a deep legal understanding of the contract between Tuaspring and PUB, and in the event of a change of control of Hyflux. MikeL2009      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:29) Posted: Tuas Spring sales is separate item n shld still be on right? At least this cld boost their bargaining confidence power a bit.
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Observers Elite	18-Oct-2018 20:30        Observers About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Did Salim bid earlier for Tuaspring individually? If they did and wasn' t considered qualified by PUB, I wonder what will happen now that they have made public their generous offer for 60% of Hyflux. Political hot potato if you ask me.
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ysh2006 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 20:29        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Enlarge share holding issue more shares to Indonesian think price will be like Noble or Ezion lah... Maller      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:51) Posted: Opening price at least 75 cents? Based on price per share? Dyodd  danger      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:44) Posted: SUPER PANIC BUYING
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MikeL2009 Senior	18-Oct-2018 20:29        MikeL2009 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Tuas Spring sales is separate item n shld still be on right? At least this cld boost their bargaining confidence power a bit.
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Maller Elite	18-Oct-2018 20:08        Maller About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Shortists who shorted before the suspension panic Liao.. think opening price likely 40-55 cents? Dyodd. Stephenchow      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 20:06) Posted: If TS is still in the book, 530/80(loss/yr)  = 6 years plus more lifespan.  The investor likely to have a lot of requirements/demands attached. Malayasian bank with secured loan likely safe, the rest not. spore1      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:57) Posted: They can pay back bank loan first and keep all the company assets and operate as per normal . Once they find a good buyer to buy over the tuas spring plant it's financial health would be greatly boost . Likely to maintain paying the perf & perpetual holders as per usual or redeemed back the preference share first .
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Stephenchow Veteran	18-Oct-2018 20:06        Stephenchow About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If TS is still in the book, 530/80(loss/yr)  = 6 years plus more lifespan.  The investor likely to have a lot of requirements/demands attached. Malayasian bank with secured loan likely safe, the rest not. spore1      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:57) Posted: They can pay back bank loan first and keep all the company assets and operate as per normal . Once they find a good buyer to buy over the tuas spring plant it's financial health would be greatly boost . Likely to maintain paying the perf & perpetual holders as per usual or redeemed back the preference share first .. angmohlin      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:42) Posted: Hyflux surely suck up all the blood from the stakeholders. Let' s see what are the scheme of arrangement to the unsecured creditors and the amendments to the medium term notes, preference shares and percapsec. Can Hyflux still be trust worthy company?
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Qanghoo Supreme	18-Oct-2018 19:58        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Maybe panic dumping instead.  danger      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:44) Posted: SUPER PANIC BUYING
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spore1 Supreme	18-Oct-2018 19:57        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	They can pay back bank loan first and keep all the company assets and operate as per normal . Once they find a good buyer to buy over the tuas spring plant it's financial health would be greatly boost . Likely to maintain paying the perf & perpetual holders as per usual or redeemed back the preference share first .. angmohlin      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:42) Posted: Hyflux surely suck up all the blood from the stakeholders. Let' s see what are the scheme of arrangement to the unsecured creditors and the amendments to the medium term notes, preference shares and percapsec. Can Hyflux still be trust worthy company?
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Qanghoo Supreme	18-Oct-2018 19:56        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	TS saved?  TO to be commissioned by next yr.  If elect px improves, looks better for future.  But I guess if excess elect supply can be meaningfully  absorbed by the economy, it cld be even better.  Maller      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:51) Posted: Opening price at least 75 cents? Based on price per share? Dyodd  danger      ( Date: 18-Oct-2018 19:44) Posted: SUPER PANIC BUYING
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