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zandlery Supreme	03-Jun-2016 19:42        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sorry I mean your last posting.....btw......your sure come in here just to win an argument..like the other said...you are at other thread shooting down company rather than making positive contribution.....to me.......investing profit is all to me. As long you make a good point. I will agree.....but you just come in here and ranting...well......enjoy your awesome live then.... sheerluck      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 19:28) Posted: Ha Bro, the last statement is a fact from their 18 Feb announcement.  So if you think it sounded like a conspiracy theory to you then you got to admit this thinking came from the company. zandlery      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 18:37) Posted: good point there.......this company not rainbow n sunshine......for short term admit it not attractive......don't think any oil related company are right now......it all bout survivor.....whichever can survive thru this bad period might see the light.....a lot of company can't handle hugh debt and bank afraid they go bust...... gotta see it next result...order still going...........if anyone are looking for attractive company there are plenty out there...don't touch O&G at all......ppl like me vested becos it is cheap n hope that after few years....it will be still profitable n grow...... but ur last statement sound more like conspiracy theory to me....haha...no offen
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sheerluck Supreme	03-Jun-2016 19:31        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You tease me arh and don' t stalk me hor.  I scare. darocupcake      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 17:53) Posted: Lolx u r everywhere sheerluck      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 17:51) Posted: This bugger got nice profit statement but hopeless cashflow. 2 notes maturing this year in Apr (US$74mil) and Nov (US$44mil).  Total note is US$118mil.  Cash balance at end of Q1 is US$117mil.  Enough to pay?  Simple maths.  No choice has to go light in order to go heavy again if you understand what I mean. Aevrage Ops cash flow for past two years -US$24mil per years.  In theory, with such huge initial investment outlay, the stream of income from their chartering should be making their ops cash flow positive.  Didn' t.  Where did the cash go?  Receivables increasing while payables remained low.  So they are very good at paying their supplier but not getting payment from their client.  So who are their suppliers and who are their clients.  Now who exhibit the same pattern and what happened to its share price. Also note that debt has was not reduced but transferred out with those vessels sale.
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sheerluck Supreme	03-Jun-2016 19:28        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ha Bro, the last statement is a fact from their 18 Feb announcement.  So if you think it sounded like a conspiracy theory to you then you got to admit this thinking came from the company. zandlery      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 18:37) Posted: good point there.......this company not rainbow n sunshine......for short term admit it not attractive......don't think any oil related company are right now......it all bout survivor.....whichever can survive thru this bad period might see the light.....a lot of company can't handle hugh debt and bank afraid they go bust...... gotta see it next result...order still going...........if anyone are looking for attractive company there are plenty out there...don't touch O&G at all......ppl like me vested becos it is cheap n hope that after few years....it will be still profitable n grow...... but ur last statement sound more like conspiracy theory to me....haha...no offend sheerluck      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 17:51) Posted: This bugger got nice profit statement but hopeless cashflow. 2 notes maturing this year in Apr (US$74mil) and Nov (US$44mil).  Total note is US$118mil.  Cash balance at end of Q1 is US$117mil.  Enough to pay?  Simple maths.  No choice has to go light in order to go heavy again if you understand what I mean. Aevrage Ops cash flow for past two years -US$24mil per years.  In theory, with such huge initial investment outlay, the stream of income from their chartering should be making their ops cash flow positive.  Didn' t.  Where did the cash go?  Receivables increasing while payables remained low.  So they are very good at paying their supplier but not getting payment from their client.  So who are their suppliers and who are their clients.  Now who exhibit the same pattern and what happened to its share price. Also note that debt has was not reduced but transferred out with those vessels sale.
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zandlery Supreme	03-Jun-2016 18:37        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	good point there.......this company not rainbow n sunshine......for short term admit it not attractive......don't think any oil related company are right now......it all bout survivor.....whichever can survive thru this bad period might see the light.....a lot of company can't handle hugh debt and bank afraid they go bust...... gotta see it next result...order still going...........if anyone are looking for attractive company there are plenty out there...don't touch O&G at all......ppl like me vested becos it is cheap n hope that after few years....it will be still profitable n grow...... but ur last statement sound more like conspiracy theory to me....haha...no offend sheerluck      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 17:51) Posted: This bugger got nice profit statement but hopeless cashflow. 2 notes maturing this year in Apr (US$74mil) and Nov (US$44mil).  Total note is US$118mil.  Cash balance at end of Q1 is US$117mil.  Enough to pay?  Simple maths.  No choice has to go light in order to go heavy again if you understand what I mean. Aevrage Ops cash flow for past two years -US$24mil per years.  In theory, with such huge initial investment outlay, the stream of income from their chartering should be making their ops cash flow positive.  Didn' t.  Where did the cash go?  Receivables increasing while payables remained low.  So they are very good at paying their supplier but not getting payment from their client.  So who are their suppliers and who are their clients.  Now who exhibit the same pattern and what happened to its share price. Also note that debt has was not reduced but transferred out with those vessels sale.       nqing87      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 11:12) Posted: swelling debt? what i see was decreasing debt leh lol.. they are paying less interest now also.. actually vallianz is one of the stronger charterer with earning visibility.. other like posh, pac rad, all kenna blue black.. vallianz still earning money when others in red, and they are still getting contracts & increasing their fleet when others are downsizing theirs.. downside is they are working for bank now, as with many other oil counters.. they expand at a wrong time i should say..
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darocupcake Master	03-Jun-2016 17:53        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Lolx u r everywhere sheerluck      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 17:51) Posted: This bugger got nice profit statement but hopeless cashflow. 2 notes maturing this year in Apr (US$74mil) and Nov (US$44mil).  Total note is US$118mil.  Cash balance at end of Q1 is US$117mil.  Enough to pay?  Simple maths.  No choice has to go light in order to go heavy again if you understand what I mean. Aevrage Ops cash flow for past two years -US$24mil per years.  In theory, with such huge initial investment outlay, the stream of income from their chartering should be making their ops cash flow positive.  Didn' t.  Where did the cash go?  Receivables increasing while payables remained low.  So they are very good at paying their supplier but not getting payment from their client.  So who are their suppliers and who are their clients.  Now who exhibit the same pattern and what happened to its share price. Also note that debt has was not reduced but transferred out with those vessels sale.       nqing87      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 11:12) Posted: swelling debt? what i see was decreasing debt leh lol.. they are paying less interest now also.. actually vallianz is one of the stronger charterer with earning visibility.. other like posh, pac rad, all kenna blue black.. vallianz still earning money when others in red, and they are still getting contracts & increasing their fleet when others are downsizing theirs.. downside is they are working for bank now, as with many other oil counters.. they expand at a wrong time i should say..
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sheerluck Supreme	03-Jun-2016 17:51        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This bugger got nice profit statement but hopeless cashflow. 2 notes maturing this year in Apr (US$74mil) and Nov (US$44mil).  Total note is US$118mil.  Cash balance at end of Q1 is US$117mil.  Enough to pay?  Simple maths.  No choice has to go light in order to go heavy again if you understand what I mean. Aevrage Ops cash flow for past two years -US$24mil per years.  In theory, with such huge initial investment outlay, the stream of income from their chartering should be making their ops cash flow positive.  Didn' t.  Where did the cash go?  Receivables increasing while payables remained low.  So they are very good at paying their supplier but not getting payment from their client.  So who are their suppliers and who are their clients.  Now who exhibit the same pattern and what happened to its share price. Also note that debt has was not reduced but transferred out with those vessels sale.       nqing87      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 11:12) Posted: swelling debt? what i see was decreasing debt leh lol.. they are paying less interest now also.. actually vallianz is one of the stronger charterer with earning visibility.. other like posh, pac rad, all kenna blue black.. vallianz still earning money when others in red, and they are still getting contracts & increasing their fleet when others are downsizing theirs.. downside is they are working for bank now, as with many other oil counters.. they expand at a wrong time i should say.. sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 10:39) Posted: My concern for Vallianz is that it is going down the same path as Swiber.  Swelling debt and receivables.
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sheerluck Supreme	03-Jun-2016 17:28        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Clue: 18 Feb swv001      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 10:11) Posted: Which company is VRIC ? sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:10) Posted: Happy I am. There is a pattern.  When Swiber debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to Vallianz.  Vallianz take up loan to give Swiber. When vallianz debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to VRIC, VRIC take up loan to give Vallianz. So can truly said Vallianz debt has reduced? Is it something they have used successfully for Swiber-Vallianz and repeating it again here?
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zandlery Supreme	03-Jun-2016 15:24        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	quite demoralising......but alrd vested for a while.....now any transaction confirm the loss.......if can hold jus hold on loh.......this counter cannot short to my understanding....not record in sgx short seller...(sorry if I'm wrong) so not going any lower than historic price........that's my conclusion.....
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zandlery Supreme	03-Jun-2016 14:17        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	ya....just see a few pieces turn stone Just4win      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 13:26) Posted: Put the shares under my pillow... thought they would turn gold in future... but now most likely to become stones     darocupcake      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 12:06) Posted: Vallianz looks like going into the drain the price kept heading sout
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darocupcake Master	03-Jun-2016 14:08        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	gone were the days where tritech vallianz lorenzo amplefield ems cna stocks where it used to trade at a higher value and nw seems to be useless stock everyday down down and down just to name a few. Sad how sgx manages all these ipo company and interest of retailers are nt taken seriously. The one benefited are BB and manupilator Just4win      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 13:26) Posted: Put the shares under my pillow... thought they would turn gold in future... but now most likely to become stones     darocupcake      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 12:06) Posted: Vallianz looks like going into the drain the price kept heading sout
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Just4win Supreme	03-Jun-2016 13:26        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Put the shares under my pillow... thought they would turn gold in future... but now most likely to become stones     darocupcake      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 12:06) Posted: Vallianz looks like going into the drain the price kept heading south swv001      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 10:11) Posted: Which company is VRIC ?
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darocupcake Master	03-Jun-2016 12:06        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Vallianz looks like going into the drain the price kept heading south swv001      ( Date: 03-Jun-2016 10:11) Posted: Which company is VRIC ? sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:10) Posted: Happy I am. There is a pattern.  When Swiber debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to Vallianz.  Vallianz take up loan to give Swiber. When vallianz debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to VRIC, VRIC take up loan to give Vallianz. So can truly said Vallianz debt has reduced? Is it something they have used successfully for Swiber-Vallianz and repeating it again here?
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swv001 Member	03-Jun-2016 10:11        swv001 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Which company is VRIC ? sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:10) Posted: Happy I am. There is a pattern.  When Swiber debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to Vallianz.  Vallianz take up loan to give Swiber. When vallianz debt and recivebale swell untill cannot tahan, offload vessel to VRIC, VRIC take up loan to give Vallianz. So can truly said Vallianz debt has reduced? Is it something they have used successfully for Swiber-Vallianz and repeating it again here?   darocupcake      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 11:13) Posted: Let sheerluck happy
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zandlery Supreme	02-Jun-2016 14:03        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	there r few time I sound that I'm vested.......no hidden agenda..... sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:58) Posted: Ok lah.  Let you win.  Longed?  Enjoyed then.  zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:53) Posted: u sound like the company is pte ltd......own by only swiber......haha.....one family business......but if you still don't find it funny.....well.....you still the winne
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sheerluck Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:58        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ok lah.  Let you win.  Longed?  Enjoyed then.  zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:53) Posted: u sound like the company is pte ltd......own by only swiber......haha.....one family business......but if you still don't find it funny.....well.....you still the winner sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:50) Posted: Like that still lazy arh?  Ok lah you go show me then.
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zandlery Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:53        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	u sound like the company is pte ltd......own by only swiber......haha.....one family business......but if you still don't find it funny.....well.....you still the winner sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:50) Posted: Like that still lazy arh?  Ok lah you go show me then.  zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:43) Posted: haha....si agitated.....don't be lazy...go read the reports la.......if still come to this conclusion.....well......your the winne
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zandlery Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:51        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	I nvr keep a close watch on Ezion....hope what u mean is positive......if not....well...still cheers darocupcake      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:37) Posted: This one in yrs to come i would think it will be another ezion zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:31) Posted: the way u put it I don't think you read the pass year report I guess....doesn't look like what u say......SL
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sheerluck Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:50        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Like that still lazy arh?  Ok lah you go show me then.  zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:43) Posted: haha....si agitated.....don't be lazy...go read the reports la.......if still come to this conclusion.....well......your the winner sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:39) Posted: Happy for enlightening! So what did they do with the veseels and loan then?  Who get the vessels?  Who took up loan and who got proceeds?
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zandlery Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:43        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	haha....si agitated.....don't be lazy...go read the reports la.......if still come to this conclusion.....well......your the winner sheerluck      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:39) Posted: Happy for enlightening! So what did they do with the veseels and loan then?  Who get the vessels?  Who took up loan and who got proceeds? zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:31) Posted: the way u put it I don't think you read the pass year report I guess....doesn't look like what u say......SL
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sheerluck Supreme	02-Jun-2016 13:39        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Happy for enlightening! So what did they do with the veseels and loan then?  Who get the vessels?  Who took up loan and who got proceeds? zandlery      ( Date: 02-Jun-2016 13:31) Posted: the way u put it I don't think you read the pass year report I guess....doesn't look like what u say......SL
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