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jo3yloh
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09-Jul-2016 19:56
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you dont really make sense. if you say so. can i say 0.51 is the average price too? cnmc could have gone up to $1   due its peak and down again when the mine is nearing its end. Its still a young mine growing. your assumption is also assuming cnmc does not expands and buy new mines. dont mislead others. you don' t like the price don' t buy. simple.
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SososoTired
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09-Jul-2016 17:42
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In any case, since I had to dig out their reports to type the previous post, I re-read them and shall share some of my thoughts here.   NRA assumes mine life until 2025, model gold price is 1,200/oz. KGI assumes mine life unitl 2039 model gold price is 1,170/oz. The latest KGI report assumes gold price 1,230. Why both houses never use the current gold price of 1,300 to 1,400? Its obvious that gold price depends heavily on risk and interest rates. If the market crashes and gold rises to 2,000/oz. Its good for CNMC. However, u think gold can stay at 1,500 or 2,000 until 2025 or 2039?  Over the whole monetary cycle (interest rate cut to raise interest rate), gold price can fluctuate from 600/oz in 2006 to > 1800/oz in 2011/2012. So assuming gold price around 1,200/oz makes sense --> that would be the average price a miner like CNMC can obtain over the entire interest rate cycle based on historical information.   So nothing wrong with some people suggesting gold prices of even 1,500 or 2,000/oz... These are what we call aggressive assumptions. At current price for CNMC, doing your own due diligence is out of the window... If you had done your due diligence, chances are your fair value will be the same as NRA' s or KGI' s. At this stage, the question is how much risk you are willing to take. How aggressively will you assume higher gold price or lower gold prices for the next 10 to 20 years!     |
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SososoTired
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09-Jul-2016 17:38
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I think gonna give credit when due la..  NRA started CNMC in March. Share price then was 22 cents. Target price 44.5 cents. Latest target price is still 43 cents.  KGI started in June. Share price then was 33.5 cents. Target price was 48 cents. Latest target price is 51 cents.  The average fund manager actually needs to cover 200 companies. They rely a lot on analysts reports for due diligence. The difference between them and us is we buy blindly based on the buy call. Fund managers read the buy call report and roast the analyst for their assumptions. They only buy if they are convinced thereafter. If you nv read the report and nv question the analyst, whose fault is it?
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Wind22i
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09-Jul-2016 11:17
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Cnmc is taking a breather to consolidate the recent gains...so it may trade around this band or sideways which is healthy....
I think the bb's taking a break..to catch those contra's players.. |
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jo3yloh
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09-Jul-2016 09:47
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Last year was 11 aug. This year probably around there? Announce result and announce dividend..
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KazumaLee
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09-Jul-2016 09:32
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When is the q2 report coming
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Newbie2223
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09-Jul-2016 09:29
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Of course ppl hold different views and are entitled to do so. Can dow hit 21k like one isolator fella predicts??? I leave it to people to think about it. Can gold hit $1500 in the short term? I think it is quite obvious. If one person takes a view, it is debatable, if the majority of the world takes the view on the long term prospects of gold, there is a valid and studied reason(s) for doing so. I take a long term view of gold as a safe asset for the long run given the much uncertainty in the world nowadays so let' s see how the market unveils in the next week. Btw, gold went back to $1,367 again and it is only 33 points away from the $1,400 mark.  |
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FreedomAngelz
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09-Jul-2016 09:27
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I think we are at the abnormal stages that even with strong dollar and positive data from US, gold price are still strong (from the strong rebound from last night). Imagine Gold price with weak us dollar and strong inflation. As the US presidential election looms in November, I`m predicting a weakening in US dollar and uncertainty in Europe which will bring Gold price to the $1400-$1450 range. My personal price prediction to go above $0.75 after they release their Q2 reports. (Please invest in your own view. This is purely speculation and by no means gurantee that it will happen)   |
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zandlery
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09-Jul-2016 01:32
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btw...I' m sure you doing the same thing just that you are on the long position......so...different ppl have different prospective..... I jus want to remind ppl have to do their due diligence.......not blindly influence by words of others here because of just inexperiences.......
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zandlery
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09-Jul-2016 01:03
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Agree....I don' t mean bad.....just don' t part with your money base on those reports.... Need to do your Due diligence........  
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$warrior
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09-Jul-2016 00:49
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They are all the same lah....   if they are sooo good then will be 100 % profit and no cut loss..... Gupta and Co do not belong to the realm of the gods....   Having said that, yes, there are many manipulative demons on sharejunction who will spread all kinds of rumors and " good news" in order to induce newbies to part with their monies.   But isn' t that the same of most brokerages too?   They give you a buy call for such and such a stock .... now who is selling then? 
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Newbie2223
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09-Jul-2016 00:12
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Not sure if you think Piyush Gupta or his CIO is just another analyst. Too many ppl waiting to short this stock because of the movements today. Sometimes I wonder if ppl like this understand how does TA and FA or for that matter, basic financial numbers all add up |
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zandlery
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09-Jul-2016 00:04
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no matter how ppl believe with glorified institute reports.......the truth is nobody 100% sure what gonna happen... All those analyts prediction are sometimes off mile away...... DYODD and see whether the rally is going on or the fund already have head up and take profit and never return......... |
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Newbie2223
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08-Jul-2016 23:33
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Look like there are some ppl here whom are trying to short gold and trying to gain some support over here. Let' s be realistic. Even the Best Bank of Asia is saying that they are bullish on gold and gold is the best bet in times like now. See below excerpt by DBS' s CEO and CIO.  There is no turning back for gold as the world becomes increasingly uncertain with terrorism threats, brexit trickling effect on other European countries and tension at the South China Sea plus political uncertainty for the United States come Presidential Election. What is safer than holding the safest of all assets Gold vis-a-vis paper contracts that may see their value erode faster than you can see a meteor rain when unexpected events such as Brexit occurs.
 
 
 
 
8 sobering predictions for world economy and markets by DBSBy  Goola Warden  / theedgemarkets.com   | July 8, 2016 : 5:59 PM MYT      Translated by Google Translator: 
 
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SINGAPORE (July 8): DBS CEO Piyush Gupta and Chief Investment Officer Lim Say Boon had words of wisdom for their clients in the DBS Private Bank 2H 2016 Market Outlook. Gupta had flew in from London a few hours earlier, where DBS Group Holdings was awarded the World&rsquo s Best Digital Bank by EuroMoney. Despite the good news and a new award for DBS, the outlook for the second half is definitely downbeat. Here in Asia, China will be a source of uncertainty. The Middle Kingdom is likely to continue restructuring its economy. Efforts to squeeze out excess capacity in iron and steel and heavy manufacturing are likely to lead to disruptions. A planned economy doesn&rsquo t allocate resources efficiently. Although capital will be allocated more efficiently as China moves to a market economy, the downside is volatility in the interim, Gupta indicates. &ldquo Expect to see a lot of corporate defaults in China. So we must ensure we take on the right counterparty risk,&rdquo he says. Taking a philosophical turn, Gupta doesn&rsquo t think GDP is the best measure for a country. GDP was created in the 1930s to measure manufacturing output, he says. &ldquo Today we need to measure economic welfare and satisfaction without relying on traded goods.&rdquo Hence, Gupta believes the 2% inflation targets by the US Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan should be replaced by different benchmarks. &ldquo We should start measuring the right things so we can get different answers,&rdquo he says. Overall, Gupta sees the US economy as being stronger than is the common perception, based on recent data. &ldquo Housing has been the strongest in seven years. Payroll numbers were very strong last month. Inflation is pushing 2%, and GDP growth should come in at 2-2.5%,&rdquo he says, adding that he reckons the Fed is going to hike interest rates once more this year. 2H2016 in eight predictions CIO Lim summed up the second half in 8 predictions: 1) Brexit will not break the EU but it will be negative for European stocks.  2) The global economy will continue to struggle and a corporate earnings recession will spread.  Corporate earnings have been in recession for emerging markets for the last two years, and this is spreading to the US and EU. Corporate earnings growth for FY2015 is down 16% for Asia ex-Japan, down 21% for other emerging markets, down 6% for China H-shares and 9% for Shanghai Composite Index. In Europe, corporate earnings fell 7% last year, and were 3% lower in the US. The exception is Japan which rose 4%. 3) A decline in US corporate earnings will inevitably take the Standard and Poor&rsquo s 500 Index down with it. Lim is forecasting a 10% decline in the next six months. 4) The Bank of Japan will have to unleash further stimulus because a strengthening yen is bad for the economy and corporate earnings. 5) China will continue to ease. The best way to play China is through H-shares, which are trading at a 75% discount to A-shares, according to Lim. In addition, forward earnings multiples of H-shares are at near 10-year lows. 6) Asia ex-Japan stocks will outperform global equities because their dividend yields are higher. Dividend yield for Asia ex-Japan is 3.3%, Singapore market is 4%, and for China H-shares 4.2%. This compares favourably with the global average of 2.7%. 7) Lim is negative on the US dollar and believes that commodities and gold will rise, given the global central banks are in easing mode. &ldquo There is no currency that can shoulder the burden of reflating the world,&rdquo Lim says. As a result we are likely to experience continued currency volatility. He thinks the US dollar will weaken and gold is a better investment. &ldquo We are bullish on gold and have been for a long time,&rdquo he adds. 8) Bonds will continue to outperform equities. World savings percentage of GDP is rising and now stands at 26%, due in part to an ageing population.  |
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spore1
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08-Jul-2016 23:04
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Is always gd to lock in yr profit. Looks like heavy correction may happen esp when Dow crossed18k.
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paul1688
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08-Jul-2016 21:48
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CNBC News 8 Jul
A slew of bullish bets on gold were announced following the shock result of the U.K.'s referendum on its EU membership, but one investment bank has just given an even more generous prediction for the future price of the precious metal. A global research team at Bank of America Merrill Lynch is calling for gold to rise 10 percent between now and the end of next year and expects it to close in on $1,500 per troy ounce, from its current price of $1,355. "The world has been walking from crisis to crisis and we see risks that this may not change," the team, led by Michael Widmer, said in a report released on Friday morning. "We called a bottom in gold in February and Brexit reinforces our view. As such we are upgrading next year's gold price forecast from $1,325 per ounce to $1,475 per ounce." Bullion is often seen as a safe haven in times of economic stress. The non-yielding asset is also seen as a solid bet when yields are being suppressed by aggressive monetary policy, something that investors might have to carry on persevering following the Brexit vote in the U.K. The Bank of England has already hinted at a rate cut this summer and the Bank of Japan may ramp up its own stimulus with the yen soaring higher and diminishing the benefits a weaker currency may have had for its export-focused companies. "The current uncertainty also suggests that an accelerated rate hiking cycle is unlikely, so interest rates globally are set to remain low, which in turn reduces the opportunity costs of holding a non-yielding asset like gold," the investment bank said. Retail investors also buy gold to protect their savings against inflation which some worry can be stoked by quantitative easing programs from central banks. U.K.-based online bullion trader BullionVault reported a record £30 million ($39 million) of gold and silver trading on its exchange on "Brexit Friday." Remarks : ML gold bullish call is just an example. Does not make them 100% right so pls exercise your own judgement whether to believe or not. Senior mining stocks on the rise at early trading in N American markets. Not a dead forecast on what may happen to CNMC on Monday. Only sharing. DYODD. |
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Newbie2223
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08-Jul-2016 18:32
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I don' t think so. Friday is profits consolidation as usual and we will see the price pick up again next week especially after the briefing today and the confidence of banks and investors alike on the prospects of gold. The next gold target price is $1388 and now the support level is around $1350, way above the $1300 mark weeks ago. Again, on FA and TA basis, there is a lot of room for CNMC to grow without even considering the China factor. I will say the price can stay around 60 - 63cts for next week and slowly inch up weekly thereafter.  |
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destinykraze
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08-Jul-2016 17:46
Yells: "Reality is only a matter of perception" |
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Only retail investors supporting. Weak support base on market depth now, dyodd. Might see sharp retracement for BBs to collect more/unload first. Sign of it being overbought. |
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jazzzkk
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08-Jul-2016 16:46
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Opening at 0.59, whole day having difficulties passing that mark. If still cannot get over 0.59 probably it' s going to trap those buyers at opening who think is cheap based on ystd closing price |
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luckyfa
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08-Jul-2016 14:50
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Grap some at 0.585....think its coming.... | ||||
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