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investshare Supreme	02-Aug-2016 09:47        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If Swiber loan were to provision for, his bonus could be much lower. This is typical conflicting interest between Management and shareholders long term interest. SINGAPORE: The chief executive officers (CEOs) of DBS and OCBC saw their total remuneration rise in 2015. According to DBS Group's latest annual report, CEO Piyush Gupta earned S$10.94 million last year, up from S$10.12 million in 2014. The higher pay comprised a base salary of S$1.2 million, S$4.12 million cash bonus, S$5.56 million in shares and S$55,439 in other non-cash payments. DBS, Singapore's and Southeast Asia's largest banking group, said Mr Gupta's remuneration took into account a "strong and sustained performance despite slower global growth and significant market volatility". It also said that net profit hit a record high of S$4.45 billion last year. Oversea-Chinese Banking Corp (OCBC) said CEO Samuel Tsien earned S$10.49 million in 2015, up from S$9.89 million in 2014. Meanwhile, United Overseas Bank (UOB), said that deputy chairman and CEO Wee Ee Cheong's remuneration was S$9.22 million last year, down from S$10.22 million in 2014 - as UOB profits saw a 1.2 per cent dip.
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Demostation Supreme	02-Aug-2016 09:39        Demostation About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yea.  I also think nothing is too big to fail.  So am out. Just4win      ( Date: 02-Aug-2016 09:36) Posted: That is the worrisome concern.... what' s other bad news will come along? A nasty bad chain effects, and how much of this will affect the banks' pricing? Just stay put for a while while observing the situation. Demostation      ( Date: 02-Aug-2016 09:34) Posted: If DBS commits so much money in Swiber, what about other ailing companies it is " supporting" ?  I believe it could be holding debts that may run into billions.  Bad.  Just be careful.  Cash is king.  Get out as fast as you possibly could.  But it is important to DYODD..
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Just4win Supreme	02-Aug-2016 09:36        Just4win About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That is the worrisome concern.... what' s other bad news will come along? A nasty bad chain effects, and how much of this will affect the banks' pricing? Just stay put for a while while observing the situation. Demostation      ( Date: 02-Aug-2016 09:34) Posted: If DBS commits so much money in Swiber, what about other ailing companies it is " supporting" ?  I believe it could be holding debts that may run into billions.  Bad.  Just be careful.  Cash is king.  Get out as fast as you possibly could.  But it is important to DYODD..
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vivivava Veteran	02-Aug-2016 09:36        vivivava About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If its a cyclical, DBS will want it to got through JM and wait for turnaround and get back all its money later
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Demostation Supreme	02-Aug-2016 09:34        Demostation About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If DBS commits so much money in Swiber, what about other ailing companies it is " supporting" ?  I believe it could be holding debts that may run into billions.  Bad.  Just be careful.  Cash is king.  Get out as fast as you possibly could.  But it is important to DYODD..
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investshare Supreme	02-Aug-2016 09:31        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As analysed earlier, JM is bad for DBS. Market is now punishing DBS for that. DBS also owe its shareholders an answer on its role and commitment in pushing Swiber to JM instead of liquidation. investshare      ( Date: 30-Jul-2016 08:42) Posted: No. When liquidate, the creditor will try to get the assets of the company IMMEDIATELY. In a way, it is a short pain and move on. But in order for the JM to work, the creditor must agree to delay their claim, more so for DBS being the largest creditor. DBS has to be the lead in this JM, which means they must have to sacrifice to convince others to agree, eg Swiber will pay other creditor first before DBS. Otherwise if you are creditor of say $10m, do you want to wait or want to get something out now to close the issue? So the process to recover DBS debt will be even longer and more uncertain. If DBS final exposure is just $150m as what DBS Ceo claimed, I think they should just write this off and move on. There is no reason to risk the $550m for this $150m. It is throwing good money after bad money. seanpent      ( Date: 30-Jul-2016 08:08) Posted: Bro, is it because others have higher priorities ? E.g. tax dept, etc.
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 15:38        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	oic ... no wonder being sold down too ... thanks for info ... wangst      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 15:26) Posted: Pacific Radiance one of them seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:59) Posted: and Swiber' s suppliers ?  any customers or suppliers are amongst the  listed companies ?
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wangst Member	01-Aug-2016 15:26        wangst About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pacific Radiance one of them seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:59) Posted: and Swiber' s suppliers ?  any customers or suppliers are amongst the  listed companies ? seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:40) Posted: bro, u just lead us to think of Swiber' s customers ..... another unknown factor ..... btw, not sure is there  any way to know the full list of O& G customers  having loans from our 3 major banks ?
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jayarumah Master	01-Aug-2016 14:28        jayarumah About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	How can u bet mighty USD to go down ? : ) US FED will surely raise interest rates. They have enjoyed QE and is at the end of the ride. Now is Europe , Australia and Japan turns to enjoy the fun of QE. Why would Euro go up against USD ? Watch the show . jayarumah      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 14:17) Posted: Coming soon.... nostra....prediction : USD AND CHINA RMB WILL BOTH RISE AGAINST A BASKET OF CURRENCIES IN ASIA, AUSTRALIA , EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. THIS IS THE WORLD NO 1 AND NO 2 ECONOMIES JOINING FORCES TO STIMULATE THE WORLD ECONOMY. * USD BALANCING ACT WITH CHINA RMB
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jayarumah Master	01-Aug-2016 14:17        jayarumah About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Coming soon.... nostra....prediction : USD AND CHINA RMB WILL BOTH RISE AGAINST A BASKET OF CURRENCIES IN ASIA, AUSTRALIA , EUROPE AND SOUTH AMERICA. THIS IS THE WORLD NO 1 AND NO 2 ECONOMIES JOINING FORCES TO STIMULATE THE WORLD ECONOMY. * USD BALANCING ACT WITH CHINA RMB
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 14:16        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	gotcha ... thanks ... investshare      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:32) Posted: for the details, you may need to wait for some analyst report :) seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:59) Posted: and Swiber' s suppliers ?  any customers or suppliers are amongst the  listed companies ?
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 14:04        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	ok thanks :) spore1      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:43) Posted: May b by end of this wk or next wk before result seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:18) Posted: what' s the likely time frame ?
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spore1 Supreme	01-Aug-2016 13:43        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	May b by end of this wk or next wk before result seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:18) Posted: what' s the likely time frame ? spore1      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:13) Posted: Think is going down to visit 15.0
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investshare Supreme	01-Aug-2016 13:32        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	for the details, you may need to wait for some analyst report :) seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:59) Posted: and Swiber' s suppliers ?  any customers or suppliers are amongst the  listed companies ? seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:40) Posted: bro, u just lead us to think of Swiber' s customers ..... another unknown factor ..... btw, not sure is there  any way to know the full list of O& G customers  having loans from our 3 major banks ?
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 13:18        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	what' s the likely time frame ? spore1      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 13:13) Posted: Think is going down to visit 15.08 seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 08:34) Posted: seems like immediate supports .....
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spore1 Supreme	01-Aug-2016 13:13        spore1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Think is going down to visit 15.08 seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 08:34) Posted: seems like immediate supports ..... spore1      ( Date: 31-Jul-2016 21:39) Posted: Looks rather bearish I think it may go down to 15.08 then 14.08
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 12:59        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	and Swiber' s suppliers ?  any customers or suppliers are amongst the  listed companies ? seanpent      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:40) Posted: bro, u just lead us to think of Swiber' s customers ..... another unknown factor ..... btw, not sure is there  any way to know the full list of O& G customers  having loans from our 3 major banks ? investshare      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:08) Posted: I still believe that JM is worse off for DBS compared to liquidation
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 12:40        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	bro, u just lead us to think of Swiber' s customers ..... another unknown factor ..... btw, not sure is there  any way to know the full list of O& G customers  having loans from our 3 major banks ? investshare      ( Date: 01-Aug-2016 12:08) Posted: I still believe that JM is worse off for DBS compared to liquidation. investshare      ( Date: 30-Jul-2016 15:11) Posted: Another thing to consider is this. Suppose you are a customer of Swiber, would you not worry that Swiber may not be able to complete your multi-hundred-million$ project? Would you not terminate contract with Swiber and look for new contractor? Unless of course, if say DBS give the guarantee. I just don't believe Swiber can continue business as usual under JM
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investshare Supreme	01-Aug-2016 12:08        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I still believe that JM is worse off for DBS compared to liquidation. investshare      ( Date: 30-Jul-2016 15:11) Posted: Another thing to consider is this. Suppose you are a customer of Swiber, would you not worry that Swiber may not be able to complete your multi-hundred-million$ project? Would you not terminate contract with Swiber and look for new contractor? Unless of course, if say DBS give the guarantee. I just don't believe Swiber can continue business as usual under JM. seanpent      ( Date: 30-Jul-2016 10:21) Posted: Ok understand ... thanks ... suppose the JM process will be costly too ... and meantime the loan interest will keep piling up in the dragging period ...
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seanpent Supreme	01-Aug-2016 10:27        seanpent About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	seems that Singtel is still a better and more resilient blue chip ..... opportunity to test new high beyond  4.30  ?
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