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Hei123
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10-Sep-2016 23:04
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Haha , so exact your figure.   I just want to make sure it' s not $120k. Thank you for your sharing. Well my unit trust journey was so bad. In 2012/13, I had a US blue chip fund , n I tot I should at least make a little profit n wanted to sell . But I found that I only recovered my cost, n that is after like 12 years, which meant I still lost another 25% for the silly management fees.   So , of course , I didn' t sell n I switched the US fund to a Asian blue chip n bond fund.   N I still holding this. It was bad so I just want to sweep it under the carpet! I like your mentor story a lot. Now I think for me I only want to concentrate on dividend yield stocks. I like your mentor story a lot. 
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ysh2006
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10-Sep-2016 22:24
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Willis Heard from news US is going to pass a bill to allow their citizen who were vitim of 911to make claim from 911 supporting country like Saudi Arabia....what you think of US bond market reaction ? and will this affect DBS ?...
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ysh2006
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10-Sep-2016 21:31
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Is it SATS you hint over value har...
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sun233
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10-Sep-2016 21:21
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After Dow' s spectacular fall on Fri i see DBS suffering on Tuesday. Bank stocks in US   fared better than other sectors. No matter...... an oppurtunity to get it cheaper. Gd Long weekend to you.
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Immortal
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10-Sep-2016 19:48
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wonder how many cents will drop on tuesday |
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willisow
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10-Sep-2016 19:09
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Hi Bunny, Just for sharing, in addition to what I have mentioned for M1, a hint to u. There is a sg company, providing space for airplane to land n take off is currently way overvalue. It just waiting for a catalyst to burst its bubble n it will repeat the history of m1..hope u did not invest in this company.. All the best n good luck :)    
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WanSiTong
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10-Sep-2016 17:16
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This is the Difference Between an Investor and Speculator. Lol~~  
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willisow
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10-Sep-2016 16:29
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Hi pal,  I would prefer to be informal, u can call me Willis without mr if u want :) I certainly agreed with u if myself equipped with the ability to time the mkt..if I can do that I would have retired long ago but unfortunately I can' t. Stock mkt in the short run are irrational becos there r thousands if not millions of investor interpreting the same piece of information everyday. Everyone has their own thought, this can b verified by reading all the posts in sj thus it is not possible to identify the net outcome to the stock price movement. As I said before a rate hike can be seen as negative to stock mkt becos it exert pressure on valuation on the other hand ppl can interpret that the economy is doing well with robust demand, strong employment with high disposable income that send company earnings to parties.  Hence focusing our effort on the stock price movement does not yield consistent result, we may be few times right in our prediction n that' s give high job satisfaction but once we r wrong we will face devastating effect. Just like those who bought M1 at a height of sgd4, everyone of them felt they have time the right purchase otherwise they won' t got in but in reality it' s valuation was only at sgd2 plus n we should only buy at a margin below its valuation. Hence it will b a painful outcome for being wrong being experienced by them.  However those who insisted to time their purchase I respect their decision becos they have every liberty to do what they want. Thank you :)  
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 16:19
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Lol
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willisow
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10-Sep-2016 16:07
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Hey pal, Is good to be smart but not too smart,  见 好 就 收   :) :p  
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ysh2006
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10-Sep-2016 16:06
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Mr Willisow buying a stock also need good timing...a person use $14.68 vs a person use $13 to buy the same stock who you prefer ?..One have to choose a timing eg when Dow crashed few hundred points or Ms Yellen talks to indicate rate up soon.... or a EU bank collapsed ,or few Singapore oil rig   companies filed for IJM , anyhow timing   to buy maybe made one lost money....( I think only)
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 16:05
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Not forgetting tt growth is slowing down and businesses are shutting up.
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 16:03
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This statement will lure equities buyers. How will NIM benefit sh when borrowing cost will go up with lesser loans income??
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 16:01
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👍 👍
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 15:35
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Tke profit and re enter.
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ehclim
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10-Sep-2016 15:35
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Good for banks' shareholders because Net Interest Margin, NIM will increase. The main income for bank are NIM.
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sgng123
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10-Sep-2016 15:28
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Everything on credit for business, rate go up then expense go up. Housing mortage interest go up too meaning less money to spend, low consumer spending business fold up. In short rate hike is horrible in a low growth global economy where everyone hoarding cash and waiting for next market crash. The faster we done with rate normalisation and stock market correction the faster we get back to norm. Once fed reserve start their hike mode on acceleration regardless of global economy then u see wave of blood letting in stock and reits. As long us economy on recovering mode fed reserve would go ahead with more hike regardless of stock tanking and businesss outside us folding up |
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willisow
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10-Sep-2016 15:21
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Subject: Volatility Versus Risk Some investors confused between the difference in volatility n risk. I have shared with everyone the different between the real economy n the stock mkt. as an investor we focus on the investment risk associated with the business in the real economy where else fluctuation of share price in the stock mkt are volatilities which will be iron out given time. So what are the investment risk in the real business? Buying a company with high debt, insufficient cash in bank n low operating profit margin is definitely risky. I have explained the benefit of buying a company with high operating profit margin before, thus who are interested to find out can refer to history. How do we considered a company of high debt. Some analyst will compared with its peers within the industry n some analyst will set a standard debt ratio margin. For myself I do both. There is nothing wrong for a company to engage in debt so long the money borrowed are used for investment to generate cashflow to the company n not for the purpose of keeping the company alive. Due to the reason that debt can be roll over or refinance to another bank, most companies assume their financing can be xtended forever. For example, during my employment with the bank, company that took a loan for an investment property can always refinance to another bank, even if they don' t refinance, they can mortgage other assets to cover it or earmark their existing credit line to cover it, there r many ways to do it, so long the borrower continue to pay prompt interest to the bank. However when we compared two companies that perform equally well, the one that have zero or low debt will be preferred. Reason being is as a value investor we always do things directly opposite with the majority of investors. We buy when everyone is dumping their shares vice versa, famous quote by warren buffett when everyone is fearful I' m greedy n when everyone is greedy I' m fearful. The prc also have their own similar quote n that is  人 弃 我 取 , 人 取 我 弃 .  Thus to safeguard ourselves for being wrong we will invest in a company with strong balance sheet becos during recession firm business will be significantly affected n they could run into cashflow problem to service their debt. Hence that' s the reason y I will never buy a company with high debt. Cash on hand held by companies are greatly important during times of recession. It is becos when firm run into cashflow problem they will have to rely on their cash on hand to service their debt. Analyst like to use current n quick ratio which include inventories, receivables n etc to measure a company ability to service it' s liability. I find it not conservative enough thus I developed my own ratio whereby I uses only cash on hand to service it' s debt. I will take the total cash on hand divided by total borrowings n my first preferred scenario is a coverage of 100%. If the company can' t meet this criteria (very few companies can meet this standard) I will look at total cash on hand divided by short term borrowings of less than one year n I expect at least a two times coverage. Thus company like swiber n others are shouldering high debt n low cash on hand. Once it' s operating cashflow cut off n have no cash on hand to service it' s obligation it will bankrupt n when that happen we can say goodbye to our capital, this is RISK. On the other hand volatility in the stock mkt are just like pendulum swing that are affected by sentiment in the short run. So long the company that we invested is good company it will always reflect its valuation given time n our capital will always be safe when we bought it at an adequate margin of safety. Just like my first purchase of DBS in Q1 at sgd14.68, lowest price went down to sgd13 n I' m now still steady like a rock. In the short run prices can be temporary lower than what we bought but over time it will definitely go higher to realise it' s valuation. No doubt about it. Thank you :) |
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 15:07
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When IR goes up, costs of borrowing for businesses will also go up. Goods and services will need more money to be purchased. People will spend less and loans will be reduced. | ||||
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famouspinky
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10-Sep-2016 14:48
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Gd from customers. Not gd for new customers henced profit will drop.
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