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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:55
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What about Ah Kong statement he wants to protect Singaporean with no income during this period haha? They give u a NEGATIVE value MCB. Lapse JIAK ur right to exercise, use ur money in CPF to JIAK the MCB. This one really owneself check owneself? Welcome to SG United? Alot of old folks hold SQ kanna burn. Hence I suggested T now stop MCB trading. just offer 0.003 goodwill to those holding. so little cost to them. say Grandma got. 29,500 shares, less than 100 bucks lor. Budget 4: SG Loyalty Budget. 
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:49
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if 20 cents i also want to buy lor
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jit123
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18-May-2020 17:48
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" Even if the mother share go up to 4.0 or 4.2, it will still be worth zero." - Not really, SIA R will ensure you that you can get a share at 3$ for every SIA R you own. So final cost will be 3$ + cost of SIA R. Since there is .12$ difference between mother share and SIA R, buying SIA R will make more sense (if the brokerage cost is not high) If this understanding wrong, then experts, please help to correct.
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 17:47
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🤔 does it make sense for me to buy some rights at 20 cents and pay $3 per share while i continue to short SIA 🤣
Think i probably buy the rights at 20cents
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:47
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of course they not so nice la. they can get for free in a very " shady" manner why they help the everyday singaporean? 
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newbieliu
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18-May-2020 17:44
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yes . u r right! I will keep some to convert lol 
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 17:38
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If situation doesnt improve, maybe privatize like SMRT ? But dont expect offer price to be soon or good.
They discount the changes by over 50% for the rights issue.. then so fast announced privatized few mths down the road. then its a FRAUD! They push down the value in order to privatize? Think of those who bought at $12? The massive dilution also means that any offer will not be good.. just my opinion
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 17:33
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As for the suggestion for Temasek to buy at $0.003 from investors, i think they not so nice la 😅 | ||||
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 17:28
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I think i can answer some of your questions:
(1) More clarity on the MCBs in terms of what happens after 28 May 2020: Does Temasek automatically get the right to the MCB when it expires unexercised on 28 May 2020? Ans: Yes. Those holders of MCB but never exercise the rights will be absorbed by Temasek. So thats why i say Temasek doesnt have to trade right now in the rights exercise. If investors willing to fork out money to save SIA, they be much happier to spend less. c) In terms of the regulatory framework, what happens to the Short Sellers of MCBs who are pressing the MCB prices down now in the Open Market. What happens if and/on the 21 or 28 May, they do NOT have the MCB Rs that they Short Sold? Ans: There is no script to borrow to short rights. I believe those who short are naked short, meaning they have to cover back on same day. If not, they should be in breach of sgx rules and penalty will be imposed.
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 17:13
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Rights cheap is a bad sign. Say if they got the rights at 40 cents eventually, they can sell off for quick buck when the rights become shares in mkt.... creating downward pressure to the mother share.
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:13
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SIA MCBs: Making it a Great Way to Fly for Existing Mom and Pop Investors Much ink have been spilled on Singapore Airlines rights issue and MCBs. Yet, sadly for the every day Singaporean investor, SIA' s rights issue is no less confusing. Many of the  investors are loyal customers of the airlines as well as the older generation who bought SIA as an extension of their trust of the Singapore Government.   
However, watching as things unfold, I cannot help but feel that the average day investor have been hung  out  to dry. For instance, for every 1,000 shares of SIA, an investor gets 2950 MCB rights. The investor has 3 options: One, subscribe to the MCB but this assumes the investor has deep pockets like Temasek. The 2nd option  is to let the  MCBS expire. The 3rd option is to sell the MCBs in the open market during the 8-day trading window. But here comes the catch. 
 
For the 3rd option, given that the MCB is trading $0.001, the brokerage fees to sell the MCB rights exceeds the sale price. This means investors have to pay money to sell the MCB Rs. In essence, the MCB Rs is actually a negative asset to the every day investor. 
 
The next curious element of this is that in the event the investor chooses Option 2, what should technically happen is that the right to buy the MCB expires and ceases to exist. However, Temasek can somehow exercise a Right that they do not have or a right that ceases to exist. The every day  investor cannot help but feel short-changed.
 
A solution to this would be simple, un-costly and render tremendous goodwill: That is Temasek undertakes to buy the MCB Rights from shareholders at a nominal fee of $0.003 without having the investor go through a brokerage. This would mean that the every day investor may be able to get 100 to 200 dollars for a right that is suppose to confer benefits on them but instead now has left them with nothing but a piece of paper. 
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:11
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sharing my 1st letter to the Press, SIA, Temasek. they did reply thru DBS zzz.  Protecting Mom and Pop Investors: Simplifying MCB and Undertaking to Buy MCBs   The recent pandemic was not only unpredicted, it has caused lasting damage to the aviation industry. Whilst Singapore Airlines was rescued by the Government given its importance to Singapore as aviation hub, the mom and pop investors have been less lucky.   
Many older generation Singaporeans have bought and held Singapore Airlines shares for years from the highs because they steadfastly believed in the leadership of Singapore Airlines and that the Singapore Government would never leave a Singaporean behind. Yet from the recent Singapore Airlines Rights and MCB issuance, the mom and pop retail investors buy the brunt of it. 
 
As we speak, there is little clarity as to how the MCB work and what to do with the MCB. Many of us have odd lots or every little lots of MCB ranging from 2950 to 29500 to some 295000 MCB rights. Whilst these MCB may appear " free" , they essentially are worthless or rather negative  towards Mom and Pop investors. This is because the Cost to sell the MCB rights is Higher than the value gain. To sell 2950 MCB rights, you get 5.90 SGD in value but the Brokerage fee is at least 25 SGD. 
 
The other option is for Mom and Pop investors who do not have the deep pockets and means to exercise the MCB to let the MCB expire. But this means that during this pandemic, the average Singaporean loses the potential income that is supposed to arise from the MCB. There' s also a potential dilutive effect in the long term for existing shareholders of Singapore Airlines who do not subscribe to the MCB or rights.
 
As Singaporeans who have believed in the Singapore Government and system, we hope for the following:
(1) More clarity on the MCBs in terms of what happens after 28 May 2020: Does Temasek automatically get the right to the MCB when it expires unexercised on 28 May 2020?
(b) Perhaps a fairer way would be for Temasek to undertake to buy at 0.003 or a fair value price from MCB holders without the need to go through a brokerage hence Singaporeans can get some money from their MCB as opposed to having to lose money on the MCB.  
(c) In terms of the regulatory framework, what happens to the Short Sellers of MCBs who are pressing the MCB prices down now in the Open Market. What happens if and/on the 21 or 28 May, they do NOT have the MCB Rs that they Short Sold?
 
These are questions that everyday Singaporeans who may have 1lot ot 100 lots of our national carrier. Perhaps, the government or SIA can issue clarity on the MCB issue to help the everyday Singaporeans who have bought the SIA shares as their nest egg. Don' t just save SIA, save the average Singaporean as well. 
 
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danger
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18-May-2020 17:11
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Temasek being the sole SSH in SIA .. after this rights issue many own probably 60 to 70% of SIA... Anytime can privatise .... The rest of the SSH are just only 1%+ ownership ... It is in fact only limited  tiny sellers against only 1 temasek , who eventually going to scoop up all excess rights . Temasek wont be selling against its ownself , right ? Unless to create panic and scoop cheap
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AhLiang
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18-May-2020 17:10
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For sure, these BBs are the big funds. They will long SIA but they want it cheap.
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AhLiang
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18-May-2020 17:08
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The big sell queue was removed during matching and then put back after closing. This proved that BBs actually don't want to sell but just to scare people
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 17:03
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MCB R matching at ZERO haha | ||||
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t0RNAD0
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18-May-2020 17:03
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You wait... coming soon............................................................................................................................................................................................................
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t0RNAD0
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18-May-2020 17:02
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Not necessary, think ppl are selling the rights since many expecting share price to break below $3 soon.  
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danger
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18-May-2020 17:01
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Any rumours of privatisation of SIA ? | ||||
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mrwise
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18-May-2020 17:00
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Jialat....someone seems to keep shorting the rights....MAy go to $0.5 soon.... | ||||
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