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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 20:19     
 
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 Alert Admin 		the beauty of it ALL is that the MCB R are worthless but the MCB has the ability to further dilute these shareholders SIA stake. this is in the true sense of the phrase a poison chalice. 

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 20:06) Posted:

In investing, one should know when to cut loss and move on. Taking into account of current situation and potentially another $6b worth of MCBs coming up next, when can a shareholder who bought at $10 expect to breakeven? 7yrs? 10yrs? And meanwhile, this investor need to throw in another $9 now to take up the 3 share rights. Does it make any sense?

How about the effect of MCBs?

Note that share recovery will be different as result of signification enlargement of issued shares.
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 20:06     
 
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 Alert Admin 		In investing, one should know when to cut loss and move on. Taking into account of current situation and potentially another $6b worth of MCBs coming up next, when can a shareholder who bought at $10 expect to breakeven? 7yrs? 10yrs? And meanwhile, this investor need to throw in another $9 now to take up the 3 share rights. Does it make any sense?

How about the effect of MCBs?

Note that share recovery will be different as result of signification enlargement of issued shares.
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newbieliu
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18-May-2020 19:41     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Say if u have own 2 shares of SIA last year at $10 each . U will be given 3 right shares (each has $1 in value) to purchase mother shares at additional $3 each. 

Say if you exercise the right share by paying the $9. the total cost price of your 5 shares will be (20 + 3 (3)) /5 = $5.80 each share

If you dont exercise but sell now (say 60 cents each today) , your cost price for 2 shares will be  (20 - 1.80)/ 2 = 9.10 each share much higher and u dont hv much shares than before. 

The best thing is one long term investor can buy right share now at 0.60 and convert --> then the cost price is 3.60 each share.

The above are 3 different scenarios (for older holder of SIA shares and new holder of SIA shares ) . DYODD as some is predicting the right share will go to zero LOL. It will make the older holder of SIA bleed further if they dont buy the shares and sell at a lower price . 
My conclusion is sell earlier at 95 cents or dont sell low to shortist anymore. 
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confused      ( Date: 18-May-2020 19:26) Posted:

can some kind soul try to explain in layman terms what this means " investors will likely see some dilution to the value of their shareholdings."   Possible to explain " dilution" in this context?   thanks so much


Implications for existing shareholders

From 13 May 2020 up till 28 May 2020, investors may exercise the rights. This means paying SGD 3 per rights share or SGD 1 per rights MCB in order to convert the rights into shares/MCB. Those who do should receive the securities on 5 June 2020, and may start trading them beginning 8 June 2020 for the ordinary shares and 9 June 2020 for the MCB. Investors who intend to exercise their rights should look out for further information in the offer information statement.

In the event where investors choose not to exercise their rights, the rights will automatically expire on 28 May 2020. On top of that, investors will likely see some dilution to the value of their shareholdings.


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18-May-2020 19:26     
 
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 Alert Admin 		can some kind soul try to explain in layman terms what this means " investors will likely see some dilution to the value of their shareholdings."   Possible to explain " dilution" in this context?   thanks so much


Implications for existing shareholders

From 13 May 2020 up till 28 May 2020, investors may exercise the rights. This means paying SGD 3 per rights share or SGD 1 per rights MCB in order to convert the rights into shares/MCB. Those who do should receive the securities on 5 June 2020, and may start trading them beginning 8 June 2020 for the ordinary shares and 9 June 2020 for the MCB. Investors who intend to exercise their rights should look out for further information in the offer information statement.

In the event where investors choose not to exercise their rights, the rights will automatically expire on 28 May 2020. On top of that, investors will likely see some dilution to the value of their shareholdings.

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18-May-2020 18:20     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Wait till the $3 share flood the market.
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stanleytay
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18-May-2020 18:20     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Ah Liang... the MCB R are worthless unless SIA goes up to 4.8. In the first place, the MCB R shouldnt be moving up with the mother share cos it was ard 3.8. The rights on the other hand are moving in tandem with the mother and trading at a discount of roughly 10c.

AhLiang      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:17) Posted:

Hard to say because there are still 3 days to go.

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:20     
 
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 Alert Admin 		bro i see ur post quite zhun. are you leading me on my impossible hope that 0.003 last day?

AhLiang      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:17) Posted:

Hard to say because there are still 3 days to go.

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!
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18-May-2020 18:18     
 
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 Alert Admin 		SMRT hit a low of about $ 1 then got privatise by Temasek with $1.68 offer
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:18     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I confirm vote Opp. our G is a complete joke. 

wenyen      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:16) Posted:

Now we must scare the BB during election this time

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:14) Posted:

Satire or sarcasm bro. SIA, T, our 4G govt are complete jokes. Election must vote OPP gao ga
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AhLiang
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18-May-2020 18:17     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Hard to say because there are still 3 days to go.

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!!

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:55) Posted:

What about Ah Kong statement he wants to protect Singaporean with no income during this period haha? They give u a NEGATIVE value MCB. Lapse JIAK ur right to exercise, use ur money in CPF to JIAK the MCB. This one really owneself check owneself? Welcome to SG United? Alot of old folks hold SQ kanna burn. Hence I suggested T now stop MCB trading. just offer 0.003 goodwill to those holding. so little cost to them. say Grandma got. 29,500 shares, less than 100 bucks lor. Budget 4: SG Loyalty Budget. 
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wenyen
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18-May-2020 18:16     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Now we must scare the BB during election this time

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:14) Posted:

Satire or sarcasm bro. SIA, T, our 4G govt are complete jokes. Election must vote OPP gao gao

wenyen      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:13) Posted:

Bro no one wanna buy even at 0.001 now.
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:14     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Satire or sarcasm bro. SIA, T, our 4G govt are complete jokes. Election must vote OPP gao gao

wenyen      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:13) Posted:

Bro no one wanna buy even at 0.001 now..

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:06) Posted:

I feel like listing it on Carousell haha at 0.002 lor. U think got takers
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wenyen
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18-May-2020 18:13     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Bro no one wanna buy even at 0.001 now..

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:06) Posted:

I feel like listing it on Carousell haha at 0.002 lor. U think got takers?

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:02) Posted:

I let it go already. lose 1027 SGD. Sianz 
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:13     
 
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 Alert Admin 		bro if sell only lose 555 haha. how to get 0,001 now even? i mean 1027 lose completely, just lapse.

AhLiang      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:08) Posted:

When did you sell Bro? Yesterday or this morning?

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:02) Posted:

I let it go already. lose 1027 SGD. Sianz 
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AhLiang
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18-May-2020 18:11     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I was saying BBs create fear by putting big MCB R sell queue to make the retailers sell or short SIA R. I guess they want to buy cheap.

stanleytay      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:02) Posted:

Hi Jit... i was referring to the MCB R. Not the SIA rights cos Ah liang was talking about the MCB R.. then he suddenly said he was referring to the SIA R.

jit123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:48) Posted:

" Even if the mother share go up to 4.0 or 4.2, it will still be worth zero." - Not really, SIA R will ensure you that you can get a share at 3$ for every SIA R you own. So final cost will be 3$ + cost of SIA R. Since there is .12$ difference between mother share and SIA R, buying SIA R will make more sense (if the brokerage cost is not high)

If this understanding wrong, then experts, please help to correct.
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AhLiang
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18-May-2020 18:08     
 
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 Alert Admin 		When did you sell Bro? Yesterday or this morning?

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:02) Posted:

I let it go already. lose 1027 SGD. Sianz 

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:06     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I feel like listing it on Carousell haha at 0.002 lor. U think got takers?

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:02) Posted:

I let it go already. lose 1027 SGD. Sianz 

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!
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gregtan123
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18-May-2020 18:02     
 
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 Alert Admin 		I let it go already. lose 1027 SGD. Sianz 

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 18:00) Posted:

Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!!

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:55) Posted:

What about Ah Kong statement he wants to protect Singaporean with no income during this period haha? They give u a NEGATIVE value MCB. Lapse JIAK ur right to exercise, use ur money in CPF to JIAK the MCB. This one really owneself check owneself? Welcome to SG United? Alot of old folks hold SQ kanna burn. Hence I suggested T now stop MCB trading. just offer 0.003 goodwill to those holding. so little cost to them. say Grandma got. 29,500 shares, less than 100 bucks lor. Budget 4: SG Loyalty Budget. 
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stanleytay
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18-May-2020 18:02     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Hi Jit... i was referring to the MCB R. Not the SIA rights cos Ah liang was talking about the MCB R.. then he suddenly said he was referring to the SIA R.

jit123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:48) Posted:

" Even if the mother share go up to 4.0 or 4.2, it will still be worth zero." - Not really, SIA R will ensure you that you can get a share at 3$ for every SIA R you own. So final cost will be 3$ + cost of SIA R. Since there is .12$ difference between mother share and SIA R, buying SIA R will make more sense (if the brokerage cost is not high)

If this understanding wrong, then experts, please help to correct.

AhLiang      ( Date: 18-May-2020 16:27) Posted:

I am just guessing. Many of them are fake sell or naked shorts in other words. The fear created can make people join in the selling of the mother shares and rights
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uiop1223
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18-May-2020 18:00     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Ya.. basically MCB rights is worthless unless u fork out money to subscribe..otherwise, just let it go.. LET IT GO!!

gregtan123      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:55) Posted:

What about Ah Kong statement he wants to protect Singaporean with no income during this period haha? They give u a NEGATIVE value MCB. Lapse JIAK ur right to exercise, use ur money in CPF to JIAK the MCB. This one really owneself check owneself? Welcome to SG United? Alot of old folks hold SQ kanna burn. Hence I suggested T now stop MCB trading. just offer 0.003 goodwill to those holding. so little cost to them. say Grandma got. 29,500 shares, less than 100 bucks lor. Budget 4: SG Loyalty Budget. 

uiop1223      ( Date: 18-May-2020 17:33) Posted:

As for the suggestion for Temasek to buy at $0.003 from investors, i think they not so nice la 😅


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