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hapygolucke Master	06-Dec-2015 18:58        hapygolucke About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	oh oh....talking to the wrong bird...earlybird14 you sold your nick too ahh....it' s not you...you are always very negative....9 out of 10 forumers don' t like you....who are you now? earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:40) Posted: you know my style. I am always sincere and don't speculate or faking thing. I just shared with my knowledge and what i think is fact. I really think 1.225 is a very good price to cash out. This is a price close to nav and for a company still making loss and for 4 years is very tough to convince buyer to buy over the nav, especially nol running out of cash with merely 240 mio in bank. If temasek miss this chance to sell, nol will make loss continually, 2 possibility will happen in the future, either issue right to raise cash or issue more debt. I think temasek neither want these 2 possibility happen since they instructed nol to pay down the 2 over billion debt including cash from selling apl logistics instead if rolling the debt over to long term debt. Main purpose is to simplify the take over process for the potential buyer, and die die want to sell nol off. Cma is a good buyer with good record of consolidate a business and be profitable. To nol it is a good move. But by taking care of nol shareholders, i doubt th is care on them since you are the one want to buy nol at 1.225 and wish to speculate to higher price, why nol need to take care the speculator pocket, so long as money can go in temasek pocket instead of coming out from their temasek, temasek for sure will sell nol at discounted nav. hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:16) Posted: This is called INTEGRITY...(which you don' t understand).....as Temasek is own by Singapore government....no news can be leak out....if the sale is finalised it will be announced during a news conference held by both parties.... birdie you said 1.225 is good price...can sell just sell....isn' t that a sell call...now I can say you don' t have INTEGRITY...
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earlybird14 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:56        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Aiyo, happy meh? The happy man is the one take profit and cash on pocket. The real unhappy one is those don't take profit and seeing profit turn to loss instantly. The one really make them suffer is those person like to over speculate and paint unrealistic picture and make a wrong decision. So, 1 finger point others, 4 fingers point on yourself. Hehehe. Aiyo, don't call yourself so leh. Hahaha. mrbean249      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:40) Posted: This kind of people something wrong emotionally with them, they see others happy, they will feel damn unhappy and uneasy. Only when they see people suffer, they will feel satisfied. Dont need to care about this kind of lan jiao lang. Do your own thing and believe in your decisions that you made
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AndyLoss Master	06-Dec-2015 18:52        AndyLoss About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	hope u don't go into HiDInG again....as u have previously done...:) earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:47) Posted: It has been 4 year making loss, th has run out of ideal to keep nol to survive, to find cma to take over nol instead of maersk, th has done well in term of social responsibility towards nol stakeholders since maersk will just dissolve nol completely and take what they want as per their corporate culture, cma shall be a better choice to consolidate nol well. With several reasons and conditions behind, really hard to believe nol can be sold equal or above nav. earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:40) Posted: you know my style. I am always sincere and don't speculate or faking thing. I just shared with my knowledge and what i think is fact. I really think 1.225 is a very good price to cash out. This is a price close to nav and for a company still making loss and for 4 years is very tough to convince buyer to buy over the nav, especially nol running out of cash with merely 240 mio in bank. If temasek miss this chance to sell, nol will make loss continually, 2 possibility will happen in the future, either issue right to raise cash or issue more debt. I think temasek neither want these 2 possibility happen since they instructed nol to pay down the 2 over billion debt including cash from selling apl logistics instead if rolling the debt over to long term debt. Main purpose is to simplify the take over process for the potential buyer, and die die want to sell nol off. Cma is a good buyer with good record of consolidate a business and be profitable. To nol it is a good move. But by taking care of nol shareholders, i doubt th is care on them since you are the one want to buy nol at 1.225 and wish to speculate to higher price, why nol need to take care the speculator pocket, so long as money can go in temasek pocket instead of coming out from their temasek, temasek for sure will sell nol at discounted nav
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earlybird14 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:47        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It has been 4 year making loss, th has run out of ideal to keep nol to survive, to find cma to take over nol instead of maersk, th has done well in term of social responsibility towards nol stakeholders since maersk will just dissolve nol completely and take what they want as per their corporate culture, cma shall be a better choice to consolidate nol well. With several reasons and conditions behind, really hard to believe nol can be sold equal or above nav. earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:40) Posted: you know my style. I am always sincere and don't speculate or faking thing. I just shared with my knowledge and what i think is fact. I really think 1.225 is a very good price to cash out. This is a price close to nav and for a company still making loss and for 4 years is very tough to convince buyer to buy over the nav, especially nol running out of cash with merely 240 mio in bank. If temasek miss this chance to sell, nol will make loss continually, 2 possibility will happen in the future, either issue right to raise cash or issue more debt. I think temasek neither want these 2 possibility happen since they instructed nol to pay down the 2 over billion debt including cash from selling apl logistics instead if rolling the debt over to long term debt. Main purpose is to simplify the take over process for the potential buyer, and die die want to sell nol off. Cma is a good buyer with good record of consolidate a business and be profitable. To nol it is a good move. But by taking care of nol shareholders, i doubt th is care on them since you are the one want to buy nol at 1.225 and wish to speculate to higher price, why nol need to take care the speculator pocket, so long as money can go in temasek pocket instead of coming out from their temasek, temasek for sure will sell nol at discounted nav. hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:16) Posted: This is called INTEGRITY...(which you don' t understand).....as Temasek is own by Singapore government....no news can be leak out....if the sale is finalised it will be announced during a news conference held by both parties.... birdie you said 1.225 is good price...can sell just sell....isn' t that a sell call...now I can say you don' t have INTEGRITY...
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mrbean249 Senior	06-Dec-2015 18:40        mrbean249 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This kind of people something wrong emotionally with them, they see others happy, they will feel damn unhappy and uneasy. Only when they see people suffer, they will feel satisfied. Dont need to care about this kind of lan jiao lang. Do your own thing and believe in your decisions that you made
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earlybird14 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:40        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	you know my style. I am always sincere and don't speculate or faking thing. I just shared with my knowledge and what i think is fact. I really think 1.225 is a very good price to cash out. This is a price close to nav and for a company still making loss and for 4 years is very tough to convince buyer to buy over the nav, especially nol running out of cash with merely 240 mio in bank. If temasek miss this chance to sell, nol will make loss continually, 2 possibility will happen in the future, either issue right to raise cash or issue more debt. I think temasek neither want these 2 possibility happen since they instructed nol to pay down the 2 over billion debt including cash from selling apl logistics instead if rolling the debt over to long term debt. Main purpose is to simplify the take over process for the potential buyer, and die die want to sell nol off. Cma is a good buyer with good record of consolidate a business and be profitable. To nol it is a good move. But by taking care of nol shareholders, i doubt th is care on them since you are the one want to buy nol at 1.225 and wish to speculate to higher price, why nol need to take care the speculator pocket, so long as money can go in temasek pocket instead of coming out from their temasek, temasek for sure will sell nol at discounted nav. hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:16) Posted: This is called INTEGRITY...(which you don' t understand).....as Temasek is own by Singapore government....no news can be leak out....if the sale is finalised it will be announced during a news conference held by both parties.... birdie you said 1.225 is good price...can sell just sell....isn' t that a sell call...now I can say you don' t have INTEGRITY... earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:01) Posted: Call? Just a suggestion only, already 1 day before 7dec, speculating all price in, no news, naturally cause panic selling mah. Nol highest around 1.2+ lowest around 80-, total 2 cycles in 2015, and see people cheer above 1.1 and curse below 0.9. Who really smart to cheer below 0.9 and curse above 1.1? The person did it, just pocket full full. Enjoy trading, i just share only. What for hammering negative or neutral post in nol again, end up, lose or earn is your money. Hahaha. Good luck to you, hope you don't lose again (i am always sincere to you, just you are stubborn.) hahah
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mrbean249 Senior	06-Dec-2015 18:37        mrbean249 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	China fishery promote to be liquidated, call to long oil, next day immediately oil price plunged, short nol call twice all wrong. What else to say. Period.
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lglg666 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:23        lglg666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Take the dog out for a walk, bring the children to the park or take wifey to makan makan. If still nothing else to do, then go to spa and relax then have a nice rub down. Just another 14 hrs, we may have the answer who is right and who is wrong. For those who put some money down on the table....shall laugh all the way to the bank or get the butt kicked lol. Btw even those who win...don't be too happy and those who loss, don't be too sad. This is not the end of the world, since there will be other day. Charlie2310      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:48) Posted: Haha, Sunday nothing to do ma... lglg666      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:40) Posted: One more day then it's D-day for NOL shareholder and Ah Kong. Whatever argument here won't make a different to change the outcome since it's beyond most of us to really to influence the result. Why just chill and let's hope for th
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hapygolucke Master	06-Dec-2015 18:16        hapygolucke About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This is called INTEGRITY...(which you don' t understand).....as Temasek is own by Singapore government....no news can be leak out....if the sale is finalised it will be announced during a news conference held by both parties.... birdie you said 1.225 is good price...can sell just sell....isn' t that a sell call...now I can say you don' t have INTEGRITY... earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 18:01) Posted: Call? Just a suggestion only, already 1 day before 7dec, speculating all price in, no news, naturally cause panic selling mah. Nol highest around 1.2+ lowest around 80-, total 2 cycles in 2015, and see people cheer above 1.1 and curse below 0.9. Who really smart to cheer below 0.9 and curse above 1.1? The person did it, just pocket full full. Enjoy trading, i just share only. What for hammering negative or neutral post in nol again, end up, lose or earn is your money. Hahaha. Good luck to you, hope you don't lose again (i am always sincere to you, just you are stubborn.) hahaha hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:35) Posted: birdie birdie....your call to sell at $1.225....rite...double confirm...not vested and so many postings....price increase hah...1 post .80s... talk all nonsence also no use lah.....which law say NOL need to be privatise if CMA  buy 67%..... GO can proceed but will the rest of 33% take up.....with a big ah kong like CMA that don' t need public listing....you think money is a problem....if 11% don' t sell to CMA...NOL is still SGX listed.... Section 215 of the Companies Act governs the compulsory acquisition of the shares of minority shareholders once an offerer has acquired 90 percent of the target&rsquo s shares through a take-over offer (excluding the shares held by the offerer). You know how  many years  Wee Cho Yaw go after UIC and Singland...how many GO he has offered.... Other NOL shareholders do not need to sell if offer below MAV....even at 1.5 NAV also don' t sell...
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earlybird14 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:09        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Aiya, why not 5bil for th 67% share? Hahaha. Just continue to make assumption loh, you happy will do. I just share my knowledge as what 5bil mean for which is disclosed by the person involve in the loan. You want to over optimistic and with your high imagination, nobody can stop you mah. At the same time, when i poke your balloon, you also cannot stop. Want to up lorry happy will do, why drag more up leh. Charlie2310      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:57) Posted: Not only your brain not functioning, your eyes also got stamp. Since when I said price is $1.40?  I meant to say I used exchange rate of 1.41x. Goodness me.  earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 12:19) Posted: Wah math fail, another one. Nol outstanding share 2.602bil with 1.225, market cap 3.18bil sgd or 2.28bil usd. Where got 1.4 or 1.78. Market news already said cma approach bank for 5bil to take over nol. Do your homework lah, take over mean including the debt and share 3bil for bond holders, 2bil for shareholders. Which is around 1.1 per share. You don't want to sell, just hold loh but temasek will sell loh
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hapygolucke Master	06-Dec-2015 18:04        hapygolucke About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	NOL and CMG ships can only go to sea and ocean....so feed birdie to sharks lor Charlie2310      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:58) Posted: Fishes?!  Why fishes?!!?   HAHHAHAHAHHA ) hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:55) Posted: the synergy combining CMA and NOL operations....ports utilisation.....cost savings.....ships cargo space fully utilise.....a long list of positive results that benefits both company....within a year NOL will turn positive with profits..... Temasek guys not like you ahh....evaluations all negative....sell sell sell.... Better be careful to make a sell call...if offer come out higher....how many nicks you change in this forum is of no use.....we will bbq, steam, fried and throw you into the ocean for fishes to eat....
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earlybird14 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 18:01        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Call? Just a suggestion only, already 1 day before 7dec, speculating all price in, no news, naturally cause panic selling mah. Nol highest around 1.2+ lowest around 80-, total 2 cycles in 2015, and see people cheer above 1.1 and curse below 0.9. Who really smart to cheer below 0.9 and curse above 1.1? The person did it, just pocket full full. Enjoy trading, i just share only. What for hammering negative or neutral post in nol again, end up, lose or earn is your money. Hahaha. Good luck to you, hope you don't lose again (i am always sincere to you, just you are stubborn.) hahaha hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:35) Posted: birdie birdie....your call to sell at $1.225....rite...double confirm...not vested and so many postings....price increase hah...1 post .80s... talk all nonsence also no use lah.....which law say NOL need to be privatise if CMA  buy 67%..... GO can proceed but will the rest of 33% take up.....with a big ah kong like CMA that don' t need public listing....you think money is a problem....if 11% don' t sell to CMA...NOL is still SGX listed.... Section 215 of the Companies Act governs the compulsory acquisition of the shares of minority shareholders once an offerer has acquired 90 percent of the target&rsquo s shares through a take-over offer (excluding the shares held by the offerer). You know how  many years  Wee Cho Yaw go after UIC and Singland...how many GO he has offered.... Other NOL shareholders do not need to sell if offer below MAV....even at 1.5 NAV also don' t sell... earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 16:35) Posted: ? Cma is a non listed company, for them to take over nol, they have to privatise nol, so they have to satisfy 2 parties, creditors(bond holders) and equity holders(shareholders). Bond holders has no choice, once nol want to redempt the bonds or notes earlier, this is where 3billion will go Equity holders has choice to decide what price to sell to cma. However, due to temasek hold 67%, so long as cma can satisfy temasek and buy over their share, and just offer the same price to retailers, once reach minimum shares of delisting requirement, cma can delist nol from sgx and settle with the rest of stubborn retailers in long run. So th want to sell, is not up to you to decide what price you want. Nol only left 240mio, this cash can't even last for 2 quarter loss which nol confirm will make loss in coming quarters, temasek is fire sell nol, otherwise, nol will move to right issue soon. Jialat, don't wrongly evaluate the situation loh. 1.225, very good price already. Can sell just sell
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Charlie2310 Senior	06-Dec-2015 18:01        Charlie2310 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If extension, good to accumulate more. But kinda impatient already.  Because I' m certain an extension (if any), will not be about a price.  Will be just tying up some loose ends (don' t ask me what).  My belief is that a price has already been decided.  To be granted exclusivity, CMA must have had offered a price range and the fact it has already gone to the banks should signal that a price has been fixed. gsasgx      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:48) Posted: high chance for extension.... just my gut feel.. lglg666      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:40) Posted: One more day then it's D-day for NOL shareholder and Ah Kong. Whatever argument here won't make a different to change the outcome since it's beyond most of us to really to influence the result. Why just chill and let's hope for th
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Charlie2310 Senior	06-Dec-2015 17:58        Charlie2310 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Fishes?!  Why fishes?!!?   HAHHAHAHAHHA ) hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:55) Posted: the synergy combining CMA and NOL operations....ports utilisation.....cost savings.....ships cargo space fully utilise.....a long list of positive results that benefits both company....within a year NOL will turn positive with profits..... Temasek guys not like you ahh....evaluations all negative....sell sell sell.... Better be careful to make a sell call...if offer come out higher....how many nicks you change in this forum is of no use.....we will bbq, steam, fried and throw you into the ocean for fishes to eat.... hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:35) Posted: birdie birdie....your call to sell at $1.225....rite...double confirm...not vested and so many postings....price increase hah...1 post .80s... talk all nonsence also no use lah.....which law say NOL need to be privatise if CMA  buy 67%..... GO can proceed but will the rest of 33% take up.....with a big ah kong like CMA that don' t need public listing....you think money is a problem....if 11% don' t sell to CMA...NOL is still SGX listed.... Section 215 of the Companies Act governs the compulsory acquisition of the shares of minority shareholders once an offerer has acquired 90 percent of the target&rsquo s shares through a take-over offer (excluding the shares held by the offerer). You know how  many years  Wee Cho Yaw go after UIC and Singland...how many GO he has offered.... Other NOL shareholders do not need to sell if offer below MAV....even at 1.5 NAV also don' t sell...
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Charlie2310 Senior	06-Dec-2015 17:57        Charlie2310 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not only your brain not functioning, your eyes also got stamp. Since when I said price is $1.40?  I meant to say I used exchange rate of 1.41x. Goodness me.  earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 12:19) Posted: Wah math fail, another one. Nol outstanding share 2.602bil with 1.225, market cap 3.18bil sgd or 2.28bil usd. Where got 1.4 or 1.78. Market news already said cma approach bank for 5bil to take over nol. Do your homework lah, take over mean including the debt and share 3bil for bond holders, 2bil for shareholders. Which is around 1.1 per share. You don't want to sell, just hold loh but temasek will sell loh. Charlie2310      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 11:55) Posted: US2.2b= SGD 3.102b (1.41x) 3.102/2.6=$1.19 (you' re right) the 2.2b is for TH' s shares nia. so need to divde by 0.67. which brings the share price to....$1.78
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hapygolucke Master	06-Dec-2015 17:55        hapygolucke About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	the synergy combining CMA and NOL operations....ports utilisation.....cost savings.....ships cargo space fully utilise.....a long list of positive results that benefits both company....within a year NOL will turn positive with profits..... Temasek guys not like you ahh....evaluations all negative....sell sell sell.... Better be careful to make a sell call...if offer come out higher....how many nicks you change in this forum is of no use.....we will bbq, steam, fried and throw you into the ocean for fishes to eat.... hapygolucke      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:35) Posted: birdie birdie....your call to sell at $1.225....rite...double confirm...not vested and so many postings....price increase hah...1 post .80s... talk all nonsence also no use lah.....which law say NOL need to be privatise if CMA  buy 67%..... GO can proceed but will the rest of 33% take up.....with a big ah kong like CMA that don' t need public listing....you think money is a problem....if 11% don' t sell to CMA...NOL is still SGX listed.... Section 215 of the Companies Act governs the compulsory acquisition of the shares of minority shareholders once an offerer has acquired 90 percent of the target&rsquo s shares through a take-over offer (excluding the shares held by the offerer). You know how  many years  Wee Cho Yaw go after UIC and Singland...how many GO he has offered.... Other NOL shareholders do not need to sell if offer below MAV....even at 1.5 NAV also don' t sell... earlybird14      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 16:35) Posted: ? Cma is a non listed company, for them to take over nol, they have to privatise nol, so they have to satisfy 2 parties, creditors(bond holders) and equity holders(shareholders). Bond holders has no choice, once nol want to redempt the bonds or notes earlier, this is where 3billion will go Equity holders has choice to decide what price to sell to cma. However, due to temasek hold 67%, so long as cma can satisfy temasek and buy over their share, and just offer the same price to retailers, once reach minimum shares of delisting requirement, cma can delist nol from sgx and settle with the rest of stubborn retailers in long run. So th want to sell, is not up to you to decide what price you want. Nol only left 240mio, this cash can't even last for 2 quarter loss which nol confirm will make loss in coming quarters, temasek is fire sell nol, otherwise, nol will move to right issue soon. Jialat, don't wrongly evaluate the situation loh. 1.225, very good price already. Can sell just sell
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lglg666 Supreme	06-Dec-2015 17:51        lglg666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just chill and enjoy this Sunday evening with the family. Win or lose....we shall know by tomorrow. For me, I'm prepared to suffer a 5d paper loss ( worst case if no deal and price sink >20c but I believe there are others who maybe interested, therefore it should recover again ). And since i just tikam small small....I won't sleep over it too. So have fun and smell the flowers. lglg666      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:40) Posted: One more day then it's D-day for NOL shareholder and Ah Kong. Whatever argument here won't make a different to change the outcome since it's beyond most of us to really to influence the result. Why just chill and let's hope for the sgng123      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:10) Posted: BT, strait time, chinese paper, international website all pointing to a US$5B deal,  3 big international banks to provide financial supports to CMA, all this pointed to a big deal. Hold tight and strong, NOL ( No One Lose) Huat.
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Charlie2310 Senior	06-Dec-2015 17:48        Charlie2310 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haha, Sunday nothing to do ma... lglg666      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:40) Posted: One more day then it's D-day for NOL shareholder and Ah Kong. Whatever argument here won't make a different to change the outcome since it's beyond most of us to really to influence the result. Why just chill and let's hope for the sgng123      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:10) Posted: BT, strait time, chinese paper, international website all pointing to a US$5B deal,  3 big international banks to provide financial supports to CMA, all this pointed to a big deal. Hold tight and strong, NOL ( No One Lose) Huat.
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gsasgx Member	06-Dec-2015 17:48        gsasgx About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	high chance for extension.... just my gut feel.. lglg666      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:40) Posted: One more day then it's D-day for NOL shareholder and Ah Kong. Whatever argument here won't make a different to change the outcome since it's beyond most of us to really to influence the result. Why just chill and let's hope for the sgng123      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:10) Posted: BT, strait time, chinese paper, international website all pointing to a US$5B deal,  3 big international banks to provide financial supports to CMA, all this pointed to a big deal. Hold tight and strong, NOL ( No One Lose) Huat.
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Charlie2310 Senior	06-Dec-2015 17:47        Charlie2310 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	True about Euro QE...As for PSA bitching...I don' t know, but I never felt that TH/GIC/Sg governement ever gave a hoot about Singaporeans.  sgng123      ( Date: 06-Dec-2015 17:41) Posted: there is a pattern in NOL as always, before a divestment deal is out lot of news pop to talk down on it then when result pop it STUNs everyone. NOL had done it 2X, now the last time it would WOW everyone lol. By the way europe is on money printing spree so getting credit is easy and interest remain low low for years, so chance for NOL sale is higher but it might take a bit longer due to concern on PSA bitching of cargo divertion.
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