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moron101 Supreme	19-Mar-2015 18:00        moron101 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Support is 0.040 this week. 0.035 next week. Trade with caution.
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sheerluck Supreme	19-Mar-2015 11:05        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Waiting for vallianz to enter the 3cts zone......
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sheerluck Supreme	18-Mar-2015 11:44        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I have an entry price for Vallianz of about 4.1-4.2cts but realising that it is taking over Swiber' s asset, I need to further discount its books.   Also it falls faster than I expected and the macro environment is still sagging.
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edwinjup Supreme	18-Mar-2015 11:30        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	When u wan to sell your vallianz...ask why u wan to sell....and then why u wan to buy......u will realise u are selling at a discount to others....lol....how much can it   go down...the most 4.4c....how much can it up...unlimited...lol...maybe this is a 100% profit counter by end fy 2015.....if can hold..just hold it...traders using cfd to short recently...let them be...cheers... darocupcake      ( Date: 17-Mar-2015 12:55) Posted: the pattern is back darocupcake      ( Date: 17-Mar-2015 10:21) Posted: lately always same pattern trade up n then dive down if yoy notic
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darocupcake Master	17-Mar-2015 12:55        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	the pattern is back darocupcake      ( Date: 17-Mar-2015 10:21) Posted: lately always same pattern trade up n then dive down if yoy notice edwinjup      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:18) Posted: I think he say 16c when vallianz traded around 13 plus....so.it is.possible at.that time especially when vallianz.signed some.mou with.china.co......less than a year ago....people rush to buy vallianz.....now they rush to short....still.think.vallianz is one of the best pennies (below 10c) in sgx..listed in catalist...so.no " risk " for share consolidation..
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darocupcake Master	17-Mar-2015 10:21        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	lately always same pattern trade up n then dive down if yoy notice edwinjup      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:18) Posted: I think he say 16c when vallianz traded around 13 plus....so.it is.possible at.that time especially when vallianz.signed some.mou with.china.co......less than a year ago....people rush to buy vallianz.....now they rush to short....still.think.vallianz is one of the best pennies (below 10c) in sgx..listed in catalist...so.no " risk " for share consolidation... darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:10) Posted: who is ur shifu lolx buy at 16c n hold till second half will recover ah which I doubt so unless another miracle like the last round
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edwinjup Supreme	16-Mar-2015 18:18        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think he say 16c when vallianz traded around 13 plus....so.it is.possible at.that time especially when vallianz.signed some.mou with.china.co......less than a year ago....people rush to buy vallianz.....now they rush to short....still.think.vallianz is one of the best pennies (below 10c) in sgx..listed in catalist...so.no " risk " for share consolidation... darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:10) Posted: who is ur shifu lolx buy at 16c n hold till second half will recover ah which I doubt so unless another miracle like the last round. edwinjup      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:08) Posted: This counter is reaching bottom soon...the most drop another 4.6c...lol....my sifu last year called to buy at 16c in june 2014....say this one is the best among all the pennies....can buy but must prepare to.hold.till.second half of 2015...i just tikam.only...
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darocupcake Master	16-Mar-2015 18:10        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	who is ur shifu lolx buy at 16c n hold till second half will recover ah which I doubt so unless another miracle like the last round. edwinjup      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 18:08) Posted: This counter is reaching bottom soon...the most drop another 4.6c...lol....my sifu last year called to buy at 16c in june 2014....say this one is the best among all the pennies....can buy but must prepare to.hold.till.second half of 2015...i just tikam.only...
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edwinjup Supreme	16-Mar-2015 18:08        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This counter is reaching bottom soon...the most drop another 4.6c...lol....my sifu last year called to buy at 16c in june 2014....say this one is the best among all the pennies....can buy but must prepare to.hold.till.second half of 2015...i just tikam.only...
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sheerluck Supreme	16-Mar-2015 16:55        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It's not that they got something useless from Swiber but more on whatever they got isnt worth that much given OSV is and continue to be oversupply and getting worse as we speak. nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:34) Posted: dunno how much rotten eggs vallianz get from papa, but these " rotten eggs" are mostly less than 3years old.. very new vessels.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:31) Posted: Main bulk from Rawabi which Vallianz acquired from Swiber with debt.   Vallianz also bought a few vessels from Swiber and took over Newcruz from Swiber. Really, it like a dad giving his son some rotten steels and said: " Go one corner and play" .   Swiber trading at 87% discount to book. Vallianz trading at 42% discount to book.
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edwinjup Supreme	16-Mar-2015 15:18        edwinjup About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Cfd short by phillip...
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darocupcake Master	16-Mar-2015 15:00        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	moreover oil price is heading south due to glut of oil in usa even when more rigs shut down. the amt of oil generated is having issue for the storage tank. I think once the tank storage is full oil production should go down but this will nt lead to price heading north. if usa allow oil export then price of oil will plunge more. OPEC is no longer the dominating factor for oil price and they still felt they are. nw even if they cut production also wun bring price of oil up much. come june they will continue to say leave it to market force to balance the price nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:34) Posted: dunno how much rotten eggs vallianz get from papa, but these " rotten eggs" are mostly less than 3years old.. very new vessels.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:31) Posted: Main bulk from Rawabi which Vallianz acquired from Swiber with debt.   Vallianz also bought a few vessels from Swiber and took over Newcruz from Swiber. Really, it like a dad giving his son some rotten steels and said: " Go one corner and play" .   Swiber trading at 87% discount to book. Vallianz trading at 42% discount to book.
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nqing87 Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:34        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	dunno how much rotten eggs vallianz get from papa, but these " rotten eggs" are mostly less than 3years old.. very new vessels.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:31) Posted: Main bulk from Rawabi which Vallianz acquired from Swiber with debt.   Vallianz also bought a few vessels from Swiber and took over Newcruz from Swiber. Really, it like a dad giving his son some rotten steels and said: " Go one corner and play" .   Swiber trading at 87% discount to book. Vallianz trading at 42% discount to book.   nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:22) Posted: vallianz recently has been buying & growing its vessels fleet right? these are new assets & shouldnt be part of swiber' s assets.. ezion p/e about 5, NC about 5+, PR slightly below 5, keppel 8+, vallianz slightly below 4.. keppel is blue chip, so got blue chip brand & perform better than other oil counters.. vallianz is catalist counter, & catalist counters perform the worse across all indexes.. so it has also affected its price to some extent.. now is just wondering how low can vallianz goes and when ppl start not to discriminate oil counters from the rest.. it' s like market is expecting these oil counters to have say more than 50% lower revenue ' cos of more than 50% drop in oil price in the near future.. similarly ppl like expecting transportation counters (like comfortdelgro) to earn more than 50% revenue with more than 50% drop in oil price lol (CD has increased about 50% in share price the past year).. i dunno how market can generalise in this way.. but well, that' s what market thinks.. maybe they are right, we just have to see if that' s really the case..
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nqing87 Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:32        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	i very agree on your point about the hidden skeleton.. that' s one thing that we will never know, and at most can only guess & speculate base on what we see on financial reports or some other sources.. like for instance eratat case, where it has huge cash written in financial reports, but never give out dividend, in the end turn out to be fraud.. some good fundamental counters got shoot down, and we may ask why & maybe there' s problem.. ppl panic & throw ' cos of these fear of uncertainty & thinking too much.. some dont buy ' cos they scared.. eg valuetronics, it got hammered down heavily when KE give negative report on it.. those ppl who believe in its fundamentals will be laughing to the banks now if they bought at 30cents after the plunge.. all this see-saw drop & rise take place in less than a year..  it doesnt help much also when sgx bring in any dog/cat counters into the stock market, in which some probably is dubious.. something is wrong if we have so frequent short sellers attacking our market & claims of fraud.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:19) Posted: Investment horizon needs to be much longer than 1-2 weeks or 1-2 months. When we say SG market weird, coy with good fundamental also ganna shoot down, we might want to ask deeper, are the fundamental really good or just made look good. Mgmt/corporate action can give tell-tale sign but if mgmt purposely hid skeleton in closet or corpse in bed, then............  darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:09) Posted: I totally agree with u on this but I think this analysis only apply to sg market on low will be lower with stock that even has fundamentals
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sheerluck Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:31        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Main bulk from Rawabi which Vallianz acquired from Swiber with debt.   Vallianz also bought a few vessels from Swiber and took over Newcruz from Swiber. Really, it like a dad giving his son some rotten steels and said: " Go one corner and play" .   Swiber trading at 87% discount to book. Vallianz trading at 42% discount to book.   nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:22) Posted: vallianz recently has been buying & growing its vessels fleet right? these are new assets & shouldnt be part of swiber' s assets.. ezion p/e about 5, NC about 5+, PR slightly below 5, keppel 8+, vallianz slightly below 4.. keppel is blue chip, so got blue chip brand & perform better than other oil counters.. vallianz is catalist counter, & catalist counters perform the worse across all indexes.. so it has also affected its price to some extent.. now is just wondering how low can vallianz goes and when ppl start not to discriminate oil counters from the rest.. it' s like market is expecting these oil counters to have say more than 50% lower revenue ' cos of more than 50% drop in oil price in the near future.. similarly ppl like expecting transportation counters (like comfortdelgro) to earn more than 50% revenue with more than 50% drop in oil price lol (CD has increased about 50% in share price the past year).. i dunno how market can generalise in this way.. but well, that' s what market thinks.. maybe they are right, we just have to see if that' s really the case.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:08) Posted: Looking at the huge discount market is giving to Swiber' s assets, one cannot help but think what will Vallianz' s fate be especially when Vallianz is acquiring Swiber' s assets. When market wakes up one day to realise that those are the same asset from Swiber which we have discounted 80% and started to apply the same discount, how will Vallianz' s price react.   Logically down but for SG market, anything goes.
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nqing87 Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:22        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	vallianz recently has been buying & growing its vessels fleet right? these are new assets & shouldnt be part of swiber' s assets.. ezion p/e about 5, NC about 5+, PR slightly below 5, keppel 8+, vallianz slightly below 4.. keppel is blue chip, so got blue chip brand & perform better than other oil counters.. vallianz is catalist counter, & catalist counters perform the worse across all indexes.. so it has also affected its price to some extent.. now is just wondering how low can vallianz goes and when ppl start not to discriminate oil counters from the rest.. it' s like market is expecting these oil counters to have say more than 50% lower revenue ' cos of more than 50% drop in oil price in the near future.. similarly ppl like expecting transportation counters (like comfortdelgro) to earn more than 50% revenue with more than 50% drop in oil price lol (CD has increased about 50% in share price the past year).. i dunno how market can generalise in this way.. but well, that' s what market thinks.. maybe they are right, we just have to see if that' s really the case.. sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:08) Posted: Looking at the huge discount market is giving to Swiber' s assets, one cannot help but think what will Vallianz' s fate be especially when Vallianz is acquiring Swiber' s assets. When market wakes up one day to realise that those are the same asset from Swiber which we have discounted 80% and started to apply the same discount, how will Vallianz' s price react.   Logically down but for SG market, anything goes. darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 13:23) Posted: mirach n vallianx same price today. looking at it vallianz high debt but tons of contract n mirach a total loss making company so far..whats ur tak
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sheerluck Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:19        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Investment horizon needs to be much longer than 1-2 weeks or 1-2 months. When we say SG market weird, coy with good fundamental also ganna shoot down, we might want to ask deeper, are the fundamental really good or just made look good. Mgmt/corporate action can give tell-tale sign but if mgmt purposely hid skeleton in closet or corpse in bed, then............  darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:09) Posted: I totally agree with u on this but I think this analysis only apply to sg market on low will be lower with stock that even has fundamentals. nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:05) Posted: no one playing catalist counters liao lol.. anyone can find the 10 year chart for catalist index? catalist index now at least more than 5 year low already.. it doesnt matter if got good fundamentals or not.. even if there' s 0 debt, i wont be surprise if the price is like this.. now catalist+oil counter=hammer till backside drop.. so i wonder what it means to be investing.. it seems like it is better if can understand & predict where ppl will put their money in, no matter the fundamentals of a counter.. now, ppl still put their money in over-valued airlines/transportation counters, ' cos the mindset is already created by media to shun oil counters & put money into over-valued transportation sectors.. in investing viewpoint, we should go for under-value counter.. but then low can become lower, till dunno when is it that it is considered under-value in market' s eyes..
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earlybird14 Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:14        earlybird14 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	think too far. This stock is oversold, price try to hit support level and seem like fail to break 48. I bought at 48 for Kopi money. By wednesday if oil still stay above 46 or higher, i surely got kopi to drink. darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:09) Posted: I totally agree with u on this but I think this analysis only apply to sg market on low will be lower with stock that even has fundamentals. nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:05) Posted: no one playing catalist counters liao lol.. anyone can find the 10 year chart for catalist index? catalist index now at least more than 5 year low already.. it doesnt matter if got good fundamentals or not.. even if there' s 0 debt, i wont be surprise if the price is like this.. now catalist+oil counter=hammer till backside drop.. so i wonder what it means to be investing.. it seems like it is better if can understand & predict where ppl will put their money in, no matter the fundamentals of a counter.. now, ppl still put their money in over-valued airlines/transportation counters, ' cos the mindset is already created by media to shun oil counters & put money into over-valued transportation sectors.. in investing viewpoint, we should go for under-value counter.. but then low can become lower, till dunno when is it that it is considered under-value in market' s eyes..
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darocupcake Master	16-Mar-2015 14:09        darocupcake About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I totally agree with u on this but I think this analysis only apply to sg market on low will be lower with stock that even has fundamentals. nqing87      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 14:05) Posted: no one playing catalist counters liao lol.. anyone can find the 10 year chart for catalist index? catalist index now at least more than 5 year low already.. it doesnt matter if got good fundamentals or not.. even if there' s 0 debt, i wont be surprise if the price is like this.. now catalist+oil counter=hammer till backside drop.. so i wonder what it means to be investing.. it seems like it is better if can understand & predict where ppl will put their money in, no matter the fundamentals of a counter.. now, ppl still put their money in over-valued airlines/transportation counters, ' cos the mindset is already created by media to shun oil counters & put money into over-valued transportation sectors.. in investing viewpoint, we should go for under-value counter.. but then low can become lower, till dunno when is it that it is considered under-value in market' s eyes..
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sheerluck Supreme	16-Mar-2015 14:08        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looking at the huge discount market is giving to Swiber' s assets, one cannot help but think what will Vallianz' s fate be especially when Vallianz is acquiring Swiber' s assets. When market wakes up one day to realise that those are the same asset from Swiber which we have discounted 80% and started to apply the same discount, how will Vallianz' s price react.   Logically down but for SG market, anything goes. darocupcake      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 13:23) Posted: mirach n vallianx same price today. looking at it vallianz high debt but tons of contract n mirach a total loss making company so far..whats ur take sheerluck      ( Date: 16-Mar-2015 12:20) Posted: Like father like son. Like Swiber like Vallianz.
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