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johnnyyao Member	08-Sep-2016 14:46        johnnyyao About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks bro for advise zandlery      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:38) Posted: err...dude...u look new to this so my advise don' t touch this..high risk high gain speculating stock for now...at current entry price.......0.1c movement can eat away a chunk of your investment if you not careful..... johnnyyao      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:35) Posted: Bro so meaning that vallianz shares will be stagnant or lower than 0.020
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zandlery Supreme	08-Sep-2016 14:38        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	err...dude...u look new to this so my advise don' t touch this..high risk high gain speculating stock for now...at current entry price.......0.1c movement can eat away a chunk of your investment if you not careful..... johnnyyao      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:35) Posted: Bro so meaning that vallianz shares will be stagnant or lower than 0.020 zandlery      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:32) Posted: no need. ...investing always must keep skepticism in mind........but like I say...isn' t it odd that if they really want to get most fund out of the market....they should at least set the right issue price lower.......renouceable somemore....it like a major move to dilute Swiber and increase rawabi holding..... of cos this benefit rawabi......but this company been drag down by Swiber.......isn' t it better a change of hand....reducing Swiber holding might be a good sign in long run..........no matter whether Swiber can survive or not......this saga will shun investor away if they carry on to be the majority holder.....
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johnnyyao Member	08-Sep-2016 14:35        johnnyyao About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro so meaning that vallianz shares will be stagnant or lower than 0.020 zandlery      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:32) Posted: no need. ...investing always must keep skepticism in mind........but like I say...isn' t it odd that if they really want to get most fund out of the market....they should at least set the right issue price lower.......renouceable somemore....it like a major move to dilute Swiber and increase rawabi holding..... of cos this benefit rawabi......but this company been drag down by Swiber.......isn' t it better a change of hand....reducing Swiber holding might be a good sign in long run..........no matter whether Swiber can survive or not......this saga will shun investor away if they carry on to be the majority holder..... sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:24) Posted: Sorry bro but back to " I hate this couner" feeling although I must prefer you said I am extremely skeptical about adik. First given that the coy is not generating cash from operation, the Nov note can only be redemp if bank provides bridging loan.   Will DBS still do so after Swiber its aband sabo them?   Without cash, how to pay?   Default note payment?   Maybe the sudden jump of RCHL advance is actually for paying the note but obivously RCHL wants it back.   Under scenario 1 and 2, where all proceed goes to repaying RCHL, Vallianz is not getting any cash for from this right issue to sustain its operation.   Conditions for scenairio 3 for is too difficult to meet liao unless Swiber can cough out another $18mil.   So scenario 1 and 2 doesn' t help Vallianz at all so why still have them. They only benefit RCHL.   The only one that can help Vallianz abit is scenari o 3 which is tough.   Very obviously RCHL is safeguarding their own interest.
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zandlery Supreme	08-Sep-2016 14:32        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	no need. ...investing always must keep skepticism in mind........but like I say...isn' t it odd that if they really want to get most fund out of the market....they should at least set the right issue price lower.......renouceable somemore....it like a major move to dilute Swiber and increase rawabi holding..... of cos this benefit rawabi......but this company been drag down by Swiber.......isn' t it better a change of hand....reducing Swiber holding might be a good sign in long run..........no matter whether Swiber can survive or not......this saga will shun investor away if they carry on to be the majority holder..... sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:24) Posted: Sorry bro but back to " I hate this couner" feeling although I must prefer you said I am extremely skeptical about adik. First given that the coy is not generating cash from operation, the Nov note can only be redemp if bank provides bridging loan.   Will DBS still do so after Swiber its aband sabo them?   Without cash, how to pay?   Default note payment?   Maybe the sudden jump of RCHL advance is actually for paying the note but obivously RCHL wants it back.   Under scenario 1 and 2, where all proceed goes to repaying RCHL, Vallianz is not getting any cash for from this right issue to sustain its operation.   Conditions for scenairio 3 for is too difficult to meet liao unless Swiber can cough out another $18mil.   So scenario 1 and 2 doesn' t help Vallianz at all so why still have them. They only benefit RCHL.   The only one that can help Vallianz abit is scenari o 3 which is tough.   Very obviously RCHL is safeguarding their own interest.   zandlery      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:07) Posted: but don' t u think it odd they annouce right issue price right above market price at that point of time..plus halted for longer period of time........their agenda not only purely absorb the most fund they can get from the market............
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ticktock Master	08-Sep-2016 14:31        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If this is the case...is this acceptable to the regulators? Should they let this pass through? investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:24) Posted: My speculation is that RCHL has the intention to increase their stake, but they want it at very low price, so they don' t mind convert the loan to equity. But they worry if do private placement at that low price (I recalled someone mentioned nav is 8 cents), market or regulator may question. So now they just it available to all, betting that most would not subscribe. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 13:48) Posted: Yeah but this falls under scenario 1 where RCHL will simply get all proceed (ie RCHL' s own plus whoever so silly enough to give RCHL their own) from the right issue and the act to " raise" money off market to pay back RCHL loan fails!
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 14:24        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sorry bro but back to " I hate this couner" feeling although I must prefer you said I am extremely skeptical about adik. First given that the coy is not generating cash from operation, the Nov note can only be redemp if bank provides bridging loan.   Will DBS still do so after Swiber its aband sabo them?   Without cash, how to pay?   Default note payment?   Maybe the sudden jump of RCHL advance is actually for paying the note but obivously RCHL wants it back.   Under scenario 1 and 2, where all proceed goes to repaying RCHL, Vallianz is not getting any cash for from this right issue to sustain its operation.   Conditions for scenairio 3 for is too difficult to meet liao unless Swiber can cough out another $18mil.   So scenario 1 and 2 doesn' t help Vallianz at all so why still have them. They only benefit RCHL.   The only one that can help Vallianz abit is scenari o 3 which is tough.   Very obviously RCHL is safeguarding their own interest.   zandlery      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 14:07) Posted: but don' t u think it odd they annouce right issue price right above market price at that point of time..plus halted for longer period of time........their agenda not only purely absorb the most fund they can get from the market............
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investshare Supreme	08-Sep-2016 14:24        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	My speculation is that RCHL has the intention to increase their stake, but they want it at very low price, so they don' t mind convert the loan to equity. But they worry if do private placement at that low price (I recalled someone mentioned nav is 8 cents), market or regulator may question. So now they just it available to all, betting that most would not subscribe. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 13:48) Posted: Yeah but this falls under scenario 1 where RCHL will simply get all proceed (ie RCHL' s own plus whoever so silly enough to give RCHL their own) from the right issue and the act to " raise" money off market to pay back RCHL loan fails! investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:55) Posted: If public don't subscribe, it will end up like a private placement Rawabi
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zandlery Supreme	08-Sep-2016 14:07        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	but don' t u think it odd they annouce right issue price right above market price at that point of time..plus halted for longer period of time........their agenda not only purely absorb the most fund they can get from the market............
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 13:57        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Whoever wants to ensure they can get as much cash as possible from the market needs to keep mother share price above 2cts.   The rewards is $72mil from the market to repay RCHL.   How much are they willing to use to keep price at 2cts and above?   How much does buying 50millions shares cost?   $1mil.   How about 500million shares?   $10mil.   The reward is $72mil from the market.   But after coy gets the money and RCHL gets their loan repaid, is the share price still important?   Stocky901      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 13:47) Posted: If .020 can't hold, will be free fall all the way to.. 015 in next few days..
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ticktock Master	08-Sep-2016 13:55        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Going below .20 is not a good sign, ppl start jumping ship below .20 Stocky901      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 13:47) Posted: If .020 can't hold, will be free fall all the way to.. 015 in next few days..
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 13:48        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yeah but this falls under scenario 1 where RCHL will simply get all proceed (ie RCHL' s own plus whoever so silly enough to give RCHL their own) from the right issue and the act to " raise" money off market to pay back RCHL loan fails! investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:55) Posted: If public don't subscribe, it will end up like a private placement Rawabi. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:44) Posted: I don't know if the right belongs to swiber or dbs but unlikely it will be subscribed. To unleash 900 million right shares is just going to tank the right price but maybe getting cash (out of the market) is more important no matter how much it can bring and the right price is no longer important once cash is in
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Stocky901 Supreme	08-Sep-2016 13:47        Stocky901 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If .020 can't hold, will be free fall all the way to.. 015 in next few days..
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investshare Supreme	08-Sep-2016 12:55        investshare About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If public don't subscribe, it will end up like a private placement Rawabi. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:44) Posted: I don't know if the right belongs to swiber or dbs but unlikely it will be subscribed. To unleash 900 million right shares is just going to tank the right price but maybe getting cash (out of the market) is more important no matter how much it can bring and the right price is no longer important once cash is in. investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:12) Posted: i think likely DBS will not fork out any money but sell the rights straight away.
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 12:49        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	and takeover vallianz's mountain of debt and forgo their $83.7mil loan? maybe they might just do it. kelthien      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:25) Posted: Unless Rawabi intends to buy it all at a dirt cheap price.. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:22) Posted: Bro, I don't think Rawabi will buyout Vallianz. from the use of proceed section, Rawabi wants either everyone else to put in money to save the coy or they get back their loan of $83.7mil. they are not giving a dime to vallianz
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 12:44        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I don't know if the right belongs to swiber or dbs but unlikely it will be subscribed. To unleash 900 million right shares is just going to tank the right price but maybe getting cash (out of the market) is more important no matter how much it can bring and the right price is no longer important once cash is in. investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:12) Posted: i think likely DBS will not fork out any money but sell the rights straight away. kelthien      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:11) Posted: What are the chances of DBS forking out the 18
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kelthien Member	08-Sep-2016 12:28        kelthien About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Which means if DBS willing to fork out 18m, there will be a brand new hope for Vallianz... 🚀 investshare      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:12) Posted: i think likely DBS will not fork out any money but sell the rights straight away. kelthien      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:11) Posted: What are the chances of DBS forking out the 18
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ticktock Master	08-Sep-2016 12:26        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Rawabi  will have a controlling stake after this rights  exercise? As per a straits time article Vallianz market capitalization is at $71.8 million as of yesterday. pnuklis      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:18) Posted: I think Rawabi will buy all the rights and also all the shares that Swiber holding in the company for a total buyout. Raymond, Darren have all abandoned this company.
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kelthien Member	08-Sep-2016 12:25        kelthien About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Unless Rawabi intends to buy it all at a dirt cheap price.. sheerluck      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:22) Posted: Bro, I don't think Rawabi will buyout Vallianz. from the use of proceed section, Rawabi wants either everyone else to put in money to save the coy or they get back their loan of $83.7mil. they are not giving a dime to vallianz. pnuklis      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:18) Posted: I think Rawabi will buy all the rights and also all the shares that Swiber holding in the company for a total buyout. Raymond, Darren have all abandoned this company.
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sheerluck Supreme	08-Sep-2016 12:22        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, I don't think Rawabi will buyout Vallianz. from the use of proceed section, Rawabi wants either everyone else to put in money to save the coy or they get back their loan of $83.7mil. they are not giving a dime to vallianz. pnuklis      ( Date: 08-Sep-2016 12:18) Posted: I think Rawabi will buy all the rights and also all the shares that Swiber holding in the company for a total buyout. Raymond, Darren have all abandoned this company.
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pnuklis Master	08-Sep-2016 12:18        pnuklis About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think Rawabi will buy all the rights and also all the shares that Swiber holding in the company for a total buyout. Raymond, Darren have all abandoned this company.
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